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According to Len and Bruno - Anita and Daniel's Charleston were of the same quality?
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Rhumbatugger
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“The question is not whether the dance was classic or whatever. But were both the dances of the same quality to deserve the same score they got from Len/Bruno? And the answer is HELL NO! ”

I'm sorry, if the dance didn't include what it was SUPPOSED to be, then there should be some penalty for that.

And it didn't. It's not that hard, think about it.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
Anita and Gleb got a minor yellow card. Which was fair.
Ellie1967
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Aren't the charlestons choreographed by external choreographers rather than the pros? In previous years they were, so I'm assuming it's the same this year too.
If so, it's very harsh to penalise on the basis of something (e.g. 'traditional' charleston content) that neither the pro or the celeb had any say in.”

That's what I thought, but then Anita was congratulating Gleb on his choreography so I'm not sure It made sense though, as I would've thought proper Charleston choreographers would've put more recognisable Charleston steps in it.
Rhumbatugger
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“That is why CRAIG (along with Claudia) is the BEST thing about SCD! I want Craig to once guest judge our US version DWTS ...lol ”

YES, why not have 'dance what the eff you like, it's got nothing to do with ballroom and latin, it's just LOADSA DANCIN'.

I wouldn't watch, because it would all end up the same sort of pseudo modern/street/ Bolshoi, modern mish mash crappolla shite, and I seriously couldn't be arsed.

Strictly shouldn't go down that BORING route.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
I hate the same Rhumba but I will give Gleb a bye for this week. It's not like there wasn't 'some' charleston in it.
Rhumbatugger
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“I hate the same Rhumba but I will give Gleb a bye for this week. It's not like there wasn't 'some' charleston in it.”

I've already given him a bye. He needs to feel his feet, same with Giovanni.
doz123
04-10-2015
Although I enjoyed Anita Charleston I think Ali Bastian and Brian Fortuna dancing to the same music was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlscgwu0LA.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I've already given him a bye. He needs to feel his feet, same with Giovanni. ”



I really like his screen dancing presence, very watchable, as is she.
Strictly_Dance
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm sorry, if the dance didn't include what it was SUPPOSED to be, then there should be some penalty for that.

And it didn't. It's not that hard, think about it.”

You're making it sound like the dance had ''O'' Charleston content and something like that which is NOT true! It had enough Charleston content to deserve higher score than Daniel's wooden/barely Charleston for sure.
StrictlyEastend
04-10-2015
I can understand Len's point about lack of content but it deserved at least 7 because to me it was a lot better than Daniel's.
Strictly_Dance
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“

I really like his screen dancing presence, very watchable, as is she.”

Is it me or Gleb's personality is kinda bland and boring? He sure looks sexy...but that's it! I'd take Aljaz/Tristan anyday over Gleb! Anita's got great personality...i like her.
Strictly_Dance
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by StrictlyEastend:
“I can understand Len's point about lack of content but it deserved at least 7 because to me it was a lot better than Daniel's. ”

+1
Exactly THIS!!!
kochspostulates
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“The question is not whether the dance was classic or whatever. But were both the dances of the same quality to deserve the same score they got from Len/Bruno? And the answer is HELL NO! ”


I think it does have to have the correct content, otherwise you could have marked Iwan on his freestyle/ breakdancing content to give him a higher score.
Nina_Blake
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by doz123:
“Although I enjoyed Anita Charleston I think Ali Bastian and Brian Fortuna dancing to the same music was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlscgwu0LA.”

I loved that performance too! For me, Ali is a seriously underrated contestant. Her technique was always excellent, and she managed to really get into character for the Charleston.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
With the best will in the world and I love this routine more than is good for my mental health, Anita did have 'some' charleston in there, but truly not a lot.

Of course her shoes may have something to do with it.

As for Daniel, he did what he was given pretty nicely.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“Is it me or Gleb's personality is kinda bland and boring? He sure looks sexy...but that's it! I'd take Aljaz/Tristan anyday over Gleb! Anita's got great personality...i like her.”

No, honestly can't agree.....I thought he was charismatic.
fridgesoup
04-10-2015
I loved Anita and Gleb's performance and I think if Iwan had pulled something like that out of the bag Len and Bruno would have forgiven its lack of correct content and some of the roughness and scored him really highly to encourage him, but I reckon they see a really good dancer in Anita (and a good partnership developing with Gleb) and so they were a bit tight with their scores. Len probably also wanted to put a marker down for Gleb to keep the right side of the line regarding the choreography, as both DWTS in the US and Russia are pretty 'forgiving' about proper content . I'm happy for him to play close to the line and make entertaining routines, but I want him to teach her proper technique. Some celebs can't manage both, but I think she probably can.

As for Daniel getting the same score, I think it was a tad generous, but he had proper content and did it quite nicely - plus he's much older and less 'able'. It was a good performance 'considering' and I think Len probably factors that in (at least in the early weeks). Seems fair enough to me.
j4Rose
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“Daniel's Charleston lacked swivel and the character of the dance. He was wooden in most of the steps and went off time numerous times.. Craig was spot on about him! i agree there was content but he failed to execute any of it properly. It barely even looked like a Charleston. I'm a dancer, and i have done Charleston numerous times... so i can say for a FACT Daniel's Charleston was bad and DID NOT deserved the same score as Anita's in ANY FREAKIN' WAY! ”

Anita may as well have danced a foxtrot; how can you give good marks to a Charleston that wasn't a Charleston?
-Sid-
04-10-2015
I thought Darcey's generous 8 made up for the 6's. I was expecting the scores to go 6,7,7,7. Instead we had 7.8,6,6. But the overall mark was the same - and fair.

Anyway, my thoughts on the dance: Like nancy, I wasn't expecting Anita to be such a natural performer but she 'pops' out the screen- and when it's untrained like that, it's very watchable. Bit like Ainslie and his Salsa. However, I wasn't bowled over by the Charleston choreography. It was hard to work out exactly what was being danced. I prefer my Strictly routines to be more recognisable. Can't get too worked up about it though, I'm just pleased Anita has shown a natural aptitude for dance and performance which Gleb can shape and refine in coming weeks.
nancy1975
04-10-2015
Fair sum up Sid.
davegold
04-10-2015
I do like to see the celebs with a lot of content into their routines and Daniel certainly had that. It was a good effort. It also seems to me that the Charleston isn't as well defined as the other Strictly dances so there should be a little leeway in introducing other dance steps, as long it's still recognizably a Charleston.

Aren't the Charleston's choreographed with specialist help anyway, so why should the couple be penalized for what is the choreographer's mistake?
nancy1975
04-10-2015
This is what I do not know about Gleb's...did he actually do it or not. If he didn't, then he shouldn't be whacked for it, though Anita seemed quite assured that he had when praising his routine. As we see next to bugger all training, we have to draw our own conclusions.
RichmondBlue
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm sorry, if the dance didn't include what it was SUPPOSED to be, then there should be some penalty for that.

And it didn't. It's not that hard, think about it.”

But they were praised for the variety and difficulty of the content. I think that should have counted for something. I don't think either should have received high marks, but taking into account the degree of difficulty involved I thought Anita was superior.
Alli-F
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“This is what I do not know about Gleb's...did he actually do it or not. If he didn't, then he shouldn't be whacked for it, though Anita seemed quite assured that he had when praising his routine. As we see next to bugger all training, we have to draw our own conclusions.”



I have a feeling from comments he made that Gleb choreographed it himself and, like Artem before him, misunderstood/refused to bow to what Strictly considers Charleston. I have had conversations before with dancers/teachers and they've said that a Charleston doesn't necessarily have to look like the love child of a silent movie caper and the hammiest actor you can imagine, it can be quite swing-like
GoinGaga
04-10-2015
Originally Posted by Strictly_Dance:
“Is it me or Gleb's personality is kinda bland and boring? He sure looks sexy...but that's it! I'd take Aljaz/Tristan anyday over Gleb! Anita's got great personality...i like her.”

I think Anita would have been a great partner for Tristan - both fun, bubbly personalities. Not that I have anything against Gleb
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