EE plans to trial a 1Gbps 4.75G service

benster · 05-10-2015, 20:57

Taken from http://www.4g.co.uk/4g-news/news-features/ee-plans-to-trial-a-1gbps-4-75g-service_300114466.html

EE has already followed up 4G with double speed and even 4.5G (dubbed 4G+), but the network isn’t stopping there, as it’s now announced plans to pilot a 4.75G service.

According to presenters at Light Reading’s Gigabit Europe, this new service could reach speeds of up to 1Gbps, which is more than six times as fast as the 150Mbps speeds that its double speed network caps out at.

The 1Gbps speeds would be achieved by aggregating up to five spectrum carriers, allowing phones to receive data from all five. Standard 4G uses just one spectrum band at a time and even 4G+ only uses two.

This would be combined with the use of MIMO (multiple input and multiple output), which involves adding additional antennas to both the transmitter and receiver devices to boost capacity.

EE controls more spectrum than any other UK network, so it has enough available to launch new services like this. The big question is when we’ll see it, but all EE is saying so far is that it should be commercially available before the launch of 5G in around 2020.

Speeds of 1Gbps would make it a rival for fixed-line services, but according to Paul Ceely, EE’s head of network strategy, the company isn’t interested in competing in that market.

Rather he claimed the network would look at areas which are underserved by fixed-line operators, giving the example that: “It could be a temporary service in an area where people are going to be living for a short period of time before they move on.”

It could also prove hugely beneficial to people in rural and isolated areas where high-speed internet isn’t available.

It might be a while yet before we see this 4.75G service, but in the meantime we could see ‘tri-band carrier aggregation’ technology commercially available as soon as next year and that would allow for speeds of up to 400Mbps. So if you’re on EE the future is going to be very, very fast.

lightspeed2398 · 05-10-2015, 21:01

Good that it's planning to keep it up but I see no practical reason for this at the moment and the fact that it's not really 4.75G is it? In fact if it's 1Gbps doesn't that just mean that it's at the original 4g spec?

engineermoore · 05-10-2015, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightspeed2398

Good that it's planning to keep it up but I see no practical reason for this at the moment and the fact that it's not really 4.75G is it? In fact if it's 1Gbps doesn't that just mean that it's at the original 4g spec?

exactly, the original 4g spec was 100mbps moving and 1Gbps stationary (I believe). Then the networks marketing departments took over and suddenly everything was 4g. to be fair, I would say LTE (any version) is fourth generation even though it may not meet the spec

bookey_uk · 05-10-2015, 22:00

I agree but since the networks in America decided to make HSPA+ show as 4G it knackered it for everyone else, so LTE of any type becomes 4G outside of the spec.

I would not worry those as CA across 3+ bands does get you closer to true LTE and as mentioned above aiming for 1Gbps when static and hopefully exceeding 100Mbps in motion.

Paul

Gigabit · 05-10-2015, 22:05

Let's get stronger 800MHz coverage first.

Aye Up · 05-10-2015, 22:11

At this rate, mobile speeds will be faster than the average fixed line equivalent.....

Rather ironic that the same company is about to be bought by BT?

jchamier · 05-10-2015, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aye Up

Rather ironic that the same company is about to be bought by BT?

Ironic or deliberate ?

Although we know mobile might have speeds, it doesn't have capacity, otherwise Three wouldn't be getting rid of the One Plan.

japaul · 05-10-2015, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigabit

Let's get stronger 800MHz coverage first.

It does use 800 as Ceeley said to do this they would need to use their existing 800/1800/2600 spectrum and in addition refarm some 2100 3G spectrum to make up the five carriers.

I guess by 2020 there could be other spectrum in play but using what they've got plus say half of their 2100 spectrum would give a total of 2x70 which combined with 4x4 MIMO would push the theoretical peak to around 1Gbps or a bit more with the new mod schemes.

bookey_uk · 05-10-2015, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by japaul

It does use 800 as Ceeley said to do this they would need to use their existing 800/1800/2600 spectrum and in addition refarm some 2100 3G spectrum to make up the five carriers.

I guess by 2020 there could be other spectrum in play but using what they've got plus say half of their 2100 spectrum would give a total of 2x70 which combined with 4x4 MIMO would push the theoretical peak to around 1Gbps or a bit more with the new mod schemes.

Take some 800, add some 1800 with dynamic allocation from 2G, few chunks of 2600 both EE and BT hold large chunks of 2600, re-farm some 2100 from 3G.
If you want to push harder see what 700 and 3400 comes out of the wash...

japaul · 05-10-2015, 23:09

I was forgetting about the BT spectrum which could add a little bit more to the 2600 if they have that.

There's no chance of using 700 before 2020 though and anything else needs different standards (coming) as it would be more than five carriers (remember the current 1800 and 2600 is 3 carriers in total, 800 another one and 2100 would make up the fifth) and he did say five carriers. 800 is perhaps a bit of a waste using up a carrier for just 5MHz so could be "swapped" out.

nafanny29 · 05-10-2015, 23:18

Its not speed we need, its allowance!!

Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol

Aye Up · 06-10-2015, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafanny29

Its not speed we need, its allowance!!

Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol

Based on current needs I would agree, however by 2020 the world will have become more mobile and thus faster speeds and much higher allowances would be needed.

Aye Up · 06-10-2015, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

Ironic or deliberate ?

Although we know mobile might have speeds, it doesn't have capacity, otherwise Three wouldn't be getting rid of the One Plan.

True in every aspect, I only think unlimited is manageable if its throttled to somewhere between 512k and 1m. I accent most people probably don't even use up their allowances anyway, for those who do use more data a cap on speed is the only answer....or people just pay for addons or higher package allowances.

When the purchase does finalise, I suspect EE will align its packages with that of BT Retail's own. Leaving Three out of the equation, I do feel the other main networks are meeting customers needs quite well, the only problem is the price point, although over time that will be fixed as well.

Lidtop2013 · 06-10-2015, 02:18

How's about we get good 3G/4G coverage around the uk first

enapace · 06-10-2015, 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by japaul

I was forgetting about the BT spectrum which could add a little bit more to the 2600 if they have that.

There's no chance of using 700 before 2020 though and anything else needs different standards (coming) as it would be more than five carriers (remember the current 1800 and 2600 is 3 carriers in total, 800 another one and 2100 would make up the fifth) and he did say five carriers. 800 is perhaps a bit of a waste using up a carrier for just 5MHz so could be "swapped" out.

In fairness there is still the 2300MHz TDD Auction as well to come no reason if we talking 5 carrier CA that TDD-FDD CA would be out of the question at that point. 10MHz of 2300MHz TDD would mean they wouldn't have to refarm much of the 2100MHz. Or it could fill in for the 800MHz, 2300MHz has already got commercial equipment in the UK as well.

bookey_uk · 06-10-2015, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafanny29

Its not speed we need, its allowance!!

Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol

Ok, spot poll...

Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap)
and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto'

£25 @ 10Mbps
£35 @ 25Mbps
£45 @ 50Mbps
£55 @ 100Mbps
£75 @ 200Mbps

enapace · 06-10-2015, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookey_uk

Ok, spot poll...

Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap)
and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto'

£25 @ 10Mbps
£35 @ 25Mbps
£45 @ 50Mbps
£55 @ 100Mbps
£75 @ 200Mbps

Don't even suggest such a thing Devon will have a heart attack lol.

Synthetic42 · 06-10-2015, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookey_uk

Ok, spot poll...

Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap)
and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto'

£25 @ 10Mbps
£35 @ 25Mbps
£45 @ 50Mbps
£55 @ 100Mbps
£75 @ 200Mbps

Pretty sure 99.99% of people (on here at least, myself included) would be more than happy with that sort of arrangement. Especially those stuck with crappy ADSL lines

DevonBloke · 06-10-2015, 10:32

Are people talking about me??
How flattering! haha
Yes I would be more than happy with that and would be on either the £55 or £75 plan.
But to be honest even if the 100Mbps unlimited plan was £80 to £100 I would go for it.
Fair usage would have to be fairly high though. Somewhere in the region of 150GB for a £100 plan or perhaps 100GB for the £75 plan.
So that would mean somewhere in the region of a 30% decrease in the cost of data.
Not sure the network could cope just yet though. Could be wrong.
I think there will be more 2600 even on rural masts soon to boost capacity closer to the cells which in turn lightens the load on 1800 further out.

Think they need to get 1800 to all masts first (which I assume is still the plan bookey?)
With all these Orange masts still on GPRS you could be forgiven for thinking they had decided not to bother! I guess they are doing a kind of phase 1 in getting to 98% this year with it thin and crispy (main masts only) and probably phase 2 (2016/2017) will be all the Orange and smaller fill-in masts.

moox · 06-10-2015, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookey_uk

Ok, spot poll...

Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap)
and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto'

£25 @ 10Mbps
£35 @ 25Mbps
£45 @ 50Mbps
£55 @ 100Mbps
£75 @ 200Mbps

Don't make it unlimited with a fair usage cap. Either make it totally unlimited or cap it at what the fair usage cap would be, or implement it in some other way (e.g. we don't care what you do overnight but don't take the urine at peak times - some of the ISPs that do this have defined peak time caps with no cap on offpeak use)

We've finally got other ISPs to stop selling limited "unlimited" services, EE shouldn't start.

Otherwise that seems pretty good for a fast, proper fixed broadband alternative. I'd hope that it'd come with other fixed line features like a proper IP address and no port blocking, and a proper 4G router/antenna, no crappy battery powered mifi deals

Daveoc64 · 06-10-2015, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by bookey_uk

Ok, spot poll...

Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap)
and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto'

£25 @ 10Mbps
£35 @ 25Mbps
£45 @ 50Mbps
£55 @ 100Mbps
£75 @ 200Mbps

I think that such a system would be unmarketable as none of the networks will ever be able to supply anything close to those top speeds enough of the time.

Redcoat · 07-10-2015, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

Don't make it unlimited with a fair usage cap. Either make it totally unlimited or cap it at what the fair usage cap would be, or implement it in some other way (e.g. we don't care what you do overnight but don't take the urine at peak times - some of the ISPs that do this have defined peak time caps with no cap on offpeak use)

We've finally got other ISPs to stop selling limited "unlimited" services, EE shouldn't start.

Otherwise that seems pretty good for a fast, proper fixed broadband alternative. I'd hope that it'd come with other fixed line features like a proper IP address and no port blocking, and a proper 4G router/antenna, no crappy battery powered mifi deals

Having overnight unmetering is a reasonable idea, but I'd pitch the idea of having a soft cap in place of fair use. For example for the "up to 10Mb" deal set a monthly download limit of say 25-30GB, if a customer reaches the cap before the end of the billing month then their connection gets it speeds throttled to say 1Mb both down and up until the next billing date. The higher speed packages having higher soft cap allowances. I don't think at this stage having more than a "up to 50Mb" would be really practical in terms of the realistic capabilities of hitting such speeds on a regular basis as well as helping ensure QoS for all users. Be able to walk before you run, as it were.

05-10-2015, 20:57	#1
benster Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Blackburn Posts: 396	EE plans to trial a 1Gbps 4.75G service Taken from http://www.4g.co.uk/4g-news/news-features/ee-plans-to-trial-a-1gbps-4-75g-service_300114466.html EE has already followed up 4G with double speed and even 4.5G (dubbed 4G+), but the network isn’t stopping there, as it’s now announced plans to pilot a 4.75G service. According to presenters at Light Reading’s Gigabit Europe, this new service could reach speeds of up to 1Gbps, which is more than six times as fast as the 150Mbps speeds that its double speed network caps out at. The 1Gbps speeds would be achieved by aggregating up to five spectrum carriers, allowing phones to receive data from all five. Standard 4G uses just one spectrum band at a time and even 4G+ only uses two. This would be combined with the use of MIMO (multiple input and multiple output), which involves adding additional antennas to both the transmitter and receiver devices to boost capacity. EE controls more spectrum than any other UK network, so it has enough available to launch new services like this. The big question is when we’ll see it, but all EE is saying so far is that it should be commercially available before the launch of 5G in around 2020. Speeds of 1Gbps would make it a rival for fixed-line services, but according to Paul Ceely, EE’s head of network strategy, the company isn’t interested in competing in that market. Rather he claimed the network would look at areas which are underserved by fixed-line operators, giving the example that: “It could be a temporary service in an area where people are going to be living for a short period of time before they move on.” It could also prove hugely beneficial to people in rural and isolated areas where high-speed internet isn’t available. It might be a while yet before we see this 4.75G service, but in the meantime we could see ‘tri-band carrier aggregation’ technology commercially available as soon as next year and that would allow for speeds of up to 400Mbps. So if you’re on EE the future is going to be very, very fast.

05-10-2015, 21:01	#2
lightspeed2398 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,325	Good that it's planning to keep it up but I see no practical reason for this at the moment and the fact that it's not really 4.75G is it? In fact if it's 1Gbps doesn't that just mean that it's at the original 4g spec?

05-10-2015, 21:48	#3
engineermoore Forum Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 84	Quote: Originally Posted by lightspeed2398 Good that it's planning to keep it up but I see no practical reason for this at the moment and the fact that it's not really 4.75G is it? In fact if it's 1Gbps doesn't that just mean that it's at the original 4g spec? exactly, the original 4g spec was 100mbps moving and 1Gbps stationary (I believe). Then the networks marketing departments took over and suddenly everything was 4g. to be fair, I would say LTE (any version) is fourth generation even though it may not meet the spec

05-10-2015, 22:00	#4
bookey_uk Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 282	I agree but since the networks in America decided to make HSPA+ show as 4G it knackered it for everyone else, so LTE of any type becomes 4G outside of the spec. I would not worry those as CA across 3+ bands does get you closer to true LTE and as mentioned above aiming for 1Gbps when static and hopefully exceeding 100Mbps in motion. Paul

05-10-2015, 22:05	#5
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Let's get stronger 800MHz coverage first.

05-10-2015, 22:11	#6
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	At this rate, mobile speeds will be faster than the average fixed line equivalent..... Rather ironic that the same company is about to be bought by BT?

05-10-2015, 22:28	#7
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by Aye Up Rather ironic that the same company is about to be bought by BT? Ironic or deliberate ? Although we know mobile might have speeds, it doesn't have capacity, otherwise Three wouldn't be getting rid of the One Plan.

05-10-2015, 22:42	#8
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigabit Let's get stronger 800MHz coverage first. It does use 800 as Ceeley said to do this they would need to use their existing 800/1800/2600 spectrum and in addition refarm some 2100 3G spectrum to make up the five carriers. I guess by 2020 there could be other spectrum in play but using what they've got plus say half of their 2100 spectrum would give a total of 2x70 which combined with 4x4 MIMO would push the theoretical peak to around 1Gbps or a bit more with the new mod schemes.

05-10-2015, 22:54	#9
bookey_uk Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 282	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul It does use 800 as Ceeley said to do this they would need to use their existing 800/1800/2600 spectrum and in addition refarm some 2100 3G spectrum to make up the five carriers. I guess by 2020 there could be other spectrum in play but using what they've got plus say half of their 2100 spectrum would give a total of 2x70 which combined with 4x4 MIMO would push the theoretical peak to around 1Gbps or a bit more with the new mod schemes. Take some 800, add some 1800 with dynamic allocation from 2G, few chunks of 2600 both EE and BT hold large chunks of 2600, re-farm some 2100 from 3G. If you want to push harder see what 700 and 3400 comes out of the wash...

05-10-2015, 23:09	#10
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	I was forgetting about the BT spectrum which could add a little bit more to the 2600 if they have that. There's no chance of using 700 before 2020 though and anything else needs different standards (coming) as it would be more than five carriers (remember the current 1800 and 2600 is 3 carriers in total, 800 another one and 2100 would make up the fifth) and he did say five carriers. 800 is perhaps a bit of a waste using up a carrier for just 5MHz so could be "swapped" out.

05-10-2015, 23:18	#11
nafanny29 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kilburn, NW London Posts: 1,240	Its not speed we need, its allowance!! Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol

06-10-2015, 00:19	#12
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29 Its not speed we need, its allowance!! Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol Based on current needs I would agree, however by 2020 the world will have become more mobile and thus faster speeds and much higher allowances would be needed.

06-10-2015, 00:23	#13
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier Ironic or deliberate ? Although we know mobile might have speeds, it doesn't have capacity, otherwise Three wouldn't be getting rid of the One Plan. True in every aspect, I only think unlimited is manageable if its throttled to somewhere between 512k and 1m. I accent most people probably don't even use up their allowances anyway, for those who do use more data a cap on speed is the only answer....or people just pay for addons or higher package allowances. When the purchase does finalise, I suspect EE will align its packages with that of BT Retail's own. Leaving Three out of the equation, I do feel the other main networks are meeting customers needs quite well, the only problem is the price point, although over time that will be fixed as well.

06-10-2015, 02:18	#14
Lidtop2013 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: West Midlands Posts: 2,450	How's about we get good 3G/4G coverage around the uk first

06-10-2015, 09:34	#15
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul I was forgetting about the BT spectrum which could add a little bit more to the 2600 if they have that. There's no chance of using 700 before 2020 though and anything else needs different standards (coming) as it would be more than five carriers (remember the current 1800 and 2600 is 3 carriers in total, 800 another one and 2100 would make up the fifth) and he did say five carriers. 800 is perhaps a bit of a waste using up a carrier for just 5MHz so could be "swapped" out. In fairness there is still the 2300MHz TDD Auction as well to come no reason if we talking 5 carrier CA that TDD-FDD CA would be out of the question at that point. 10MHz of 2300MHz TDD would mean they wouldn't have to refarm much of the 2100MHz. Or it could fill in for the 800MHz, 2300MHz has already got commercial equipment in the UK as well.

06-10-2015, 09:37	#16
bookey_uk Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 282	Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29 Its not speed we need, its allowance!! Everything works well at 5mbps, but it doesnt work at all after a few days if the monthly allowance is 1GB lol Ok, spot poll... Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap) and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto' £25 @ 10Mbps £35 @ 25Mbps £45 @ 50Mbps £55 @ 100Mbps £75 @ 200Mbps

06-10-2015, 10:05	#17
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by bookey_uk Ok, spot poll... Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap) and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto' £25 @ 10Mbps £35 @ 25Mbps £45 @ 50Mbps £55 @ 100Mbps £75 @ 200Mbps Don't even suggest such a thing Devon will have a heart attack lol.

06-10-2015, 10:09	#18
Synthetic42 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,510	Quote: Originally Posted by bookey_uk Ok, spot poll... Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap) and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto' £25 @ 10Mbps £35 @ 25Mbps £45 @ 50Mbps £55 @ 100Mbps £75 @ 200Mbps Pretty sure 99.99% of people (on here at least, myself included) would be more than happy with that sort of arrangement. Especially those stuck with crappy ADSL lines

06-10-2015, 10:32	#19
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Are people talking about me?? How flattering! haha Yes I would be more than happy with that and would be on either the £55 or £75 plan. But to be honest even if the 100Mbps unlimited plan was £80 to £100 I would go for it. Fair usage would have to be fairly high though. Somewhere in the region of 150GB for a £100 plan or perhaps 100GB for the £75 plan. So that would mean somewhere in the region of a 30% decrease in the cost of data. Not sure the network could cope just yet though. Could be wrong. I think there will be more 2600 even on rural masts soon to boost capacity closer to the cells which in turn lightens the load on 1800 further out. Think they need to get 1800 to all masts first (which I assume is still the plan bookey?) With all these Orange masts still on GPRS you could be forgiven for thinking they had decided not to bother! I guess they are doing a kind of phase 1 in getting to 98% this year with it thin and crispy (main masts only) and probably phase 2 (2016/2017) will be all the Orange and smaller fill-in masts.

06-10-2015, 11:42	#20
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by bookey_uk Ok, spot poll... Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap) and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto' £25 @ 10Mbps £35 @ 25Mbps £45 @ 50Mbps £55 @ 100Mbps £75 @ 200Mbps Don't make it unlimited with a fair usage cap. Either make it totally unlimited or cap it at what the fair usage cap would be, or implement it in some other way (e.g. we don't care what you do overnight but don't take the urine at peak times - some of the ISPs that do this have defined peak time caps with no cap on offpeak use) We've finally got other ISPs to stop selling limited "unlimited" services, EE shouldn't start. Otherwise that seems pretty good for a fast, proper fixed broadband alternative. I'd hope that it'd come with other fixed line features like a proper IP address and no port blocking, and a proper 4G router/antenna, no crappy battery powered mifi deals

06-10-2015, 12:20	#21
Daveoc64 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bristol (BBC1 West) Posts: 15,143	Quote: Originally Posted by bookey_uk Ok, spot poll... Would you be happy with a unlimited allowance (with realistic fair usage cap) and the price you pay is based on the speed of data access as an 'upto' £25 @ 10Mbps £35 @ 25Mbps £45 @ 50Mbps £55 @ 100Mbps £75 @ 200Mbps I think that such a system would be unmarketable as none of the networks will ever be able to supply anything close to those top speeds enough of the time.

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07-10-2015, 01:12	#22
Redcoat Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The wilds of West Tyrone Posts: 2,122	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Don't make it unlimited with a fair usage cap. Either make it totally unlimited or cap it at what the fair usage cap would be, or implement it in some other way (e.g. we don't care what you do overnight but don't take the urine at peak times - some of the ISPs that do this have defined peak time caps with no cap on offpeak use) We've finally got other ISPs to stop selling limited "unlimited" services, EE shouldn't start. Otherwise that seems pretty good for a fast, proper fixed broadband alternative. I'd hope that it'd come with other fixed line features like a proper IP address and no port blocking, and a proper 4G router/antenna, no crappy battery powered mifi deals Having overnight unmetering is a reasonable idea, but I'd pitch the idea of having a soft cap in place of fair use. For example for the "up to 10Mb" deal set a monthly download limit of say 25-30GB, if a customer reaches the cap before the end of the billing month then their connection gets it speeds throttled to say 1Mb both down and up until the next billing date. The higher speed packages having higher soft cap allowances. I don't think at this stage having more than a "up to 50Mb" would be really practical in terms of the realistic capabilities of hitting such speeds on a regular basis as well as helping ensure QoS for all users. Be able to walk before you run, as it were.