Why Has Jay Cornered The Shy And Vulnerable Market?

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What name??

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by Walter Neff:
“I would be very happy to be as "ugly" as Jay. ”

Sorry to hear that.

And I wouldn't say he's ugly though on googling I saw he's the ugliest of his old group so I'm not influenced by what I know of them. He is just average looking and a little podgy faced. Nothing wrong with how he looks.

sofakat

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I expect he appeals to the maternal instincts of viewers of a certain age.”

Nah. I have never any maternal instincts at all, but I think he is potentially a very good dancer.

As long as he undoes that awful stage school 'commercial dance' rubbish he's been taught so far and learns how to use his body for ballroom.

Walter Neff

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by What name??:
“Sorry to hear that.

And I wouldn't say he's ugly though on googling I saw he's the ugliest of his old group so I'm not influenced by what I know of them. He is just average looking and a little podgy faced. Nothing wrong with how he looks.”

That is what I meant, I don't know how anyone could refer to him as Ugly.

kochspostulates

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Nah. I have never any maternal instincts at all, but I think he is potentially a very good dancer.

As long as he undoes that awful stage school 'commercial dance' rubbish he's been taught so far and learns how to use his body for ballroom.”

There's nothing wrong with commercial dance. There is no need to say it is rubbish, just because it is not your genre.

Conflict of interest: Been doing commercial jazz for years

edy10

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by katt:
“I had no idea who he was before strictly, all I see is a delightful young man, who has been open and honest about his past dance training and who wants to learn a new genre of dance. He comes across to me as shy and slightly awkward, reserved but genuine, I see no fakeness

He has no control over what Tess says (or the judges for the matter) I am sure he would rather she didnt mention his nerves every 5 seconds as he is doing his best to control them”

Very well said and I concur

wazzyboy

06-10-2015

I think asking why he has cornered that market is begging the question, the question is not so much why as he as has he, or perhaps even, is there such a market. I suspect people like the combination of ability, modesty and his quiet disposition.

sofakat

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by kochspostulates:
“There's nothing wrong with commercial dance. There is no need to say it is rubbish, just because it is not your genre.

Conflict of interest: Been doing commercial jazz for years”

If you've been doing jazz for 'years' you are probably doing some good stuff.

The stuff they are teaching kids in stage school right now is not. It's a weird hybrid which teaches them zip about how the body works, how to use it and how to train it.

I've trained in several 'genres' so I am quite open minded, except about poor training.

kochspostulates

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“If you've been doing jazz for 'years' you are probably doing some good stuff.

The stuff they are teaching kids in stage school right now is not. It's a weird hybrid which teaches them zip about how the body works, how to use it and how to train it.

I've trained in several 'genres' so I am quite open minded, except about poor training.”

I have similar issues about Zumba or barre core or yogalatesballet or whatever you call those kind of classes. But I also think that anything that gets people off their bottoms and moving a bit in time to music is better than not doing anything. If it makes people feel like they are dancing, then it is good.

daziechain

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by Double_Trouble:
“I don't really understand why some people have taken exception to Jay when he himself has done little to deserve it.

I did know him already from The Wanted and he has always been the slightly shy but quirky one of the lot and not a natural "Me, myself and I" and has always been pretty self depreciating.

So he's come from a band where he has people around him to an arena where for 2 mins at a time the spotlight is on him. For someone who is not used to that and indeed has been away from any kind of spotlight for over a year the. It can indeed take a bit of time to settle in.

That being said he has done little to create to or perpetuate the "poor jay he's so nervous" tag apart from actually being nervous (and he's not the only one but I don't see Kirsty getting the same flak for this). Tess is the one who can't stop banging on about it but then Tess has always banged the same drum to death for contestants ( e.g. "Show us your guns").

Regarding the hairstyle, he has changed it radically before from curly to long and then to shaving the sides completely and back to long so the fact that he's cut it again now is not unusual. Others have had haircuts before e.g Caroline last year went from long hair to a bob early on as well but didn't get berated for it as I recall

There have been several discussions about his dance experience and he has not hidden it (in fact he published a YouTube video himself with clips) and also his bio on the SCD site states as much, so again I don't see the need for castigating Jay for this (any more than Helen, Georgia, Kellie etc). The "so and so is a ringer" thing got very old, very fast last year.

I don't think the judges have given him the kid glove treatment at all. His marks have been in line with others relative to performance and indeed the judges said in week 1 he needs to work on performaning and showmanship more

You see "awkward, uncomfortable and very manufactured" and I see talented, accomplished and hard working. That's normal. If we all thought the same thete wouldn't be such shows as competitions”

The reason people are taking exception to Jay is because they've detected he is a threat. To their own particular favourite most probably so they seek to undermine him.

We're getting all the old nonsense about 'trained dancer' now .. just like Caroline got last year (amongst others.)
When will they learn that the voters DON'T CARE!! If they like the celeb, the dances and the partnership then they will vote in their droves.
Most of all it's about feeling a connection to the celeb and their dancing. Something magical happens when Jay dances. I can't wait to see how he develops as he has the potential to be stunning.

jtnorth

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by daziechain:
“The reason people are taking exception to Jay is because they've detected he is a threat. To their own particular favourite most probably so they seek to undermine him.

We're getting all the old nonsense about 'trained dancer' now .. just like Caroline got last year (amongst others.)
When will they learn that the voters DON'T CARE!! If they like the celeb, the dances and the partnership then they will vote in their droves.
Most of all it's about feeling a connection to the celeb and their dancing. Something magical happens when Jay dances. I can't wait to see how he develops as he has the potential to be stunning.”

Agree with all this.

hansue

06-10-2015

Agree 100%.

primer

06-10-2015

its probably something to do with him looking rather like on oversized infant - fat, white, milky. and not helped by him looking to him mum every 2 seconds. next week she will probably rush over and wipe his face with her hanky...

no really, he comes over like an adolescent virgin. and thats not what i want to see squiring the lovely aliona around the floor. careful and cute does nothing for me.

my favourite is jeremy by the way. i 'detect' that pretty much everyone is a threat to him

Ray_Burn

06-10-2015

I suppose he's not used to the live tv interview format, where he has to speak and respond spontaneously to people's comments. It's less shyness about performing but about stringing words together under pressure. The presenters and actors are much better at that, even if they can't perform well on the dance floor.

CravenHaven

06-10-2015

he looks like he was told to cut his hair by his manager/agent to bring in the lickle girls

robbleona

06-10-2015

Originally Posted by differentdrum:
“Anyone would think he was a teenager who had never faced an audience before. Surely all contestants are going to be nervous to a certain extent. Personally, I would have thought someone twice his age who might barely have danced before had a good deal more to be worried about.

Could the real worry for him be about the pressure of trying to win? I can't remember anyone else going to the extreme of drastically changing a hairstyle just to garner a few more votes.

I think someone started a thread about Helen being a ringer, has there been a similar one about Jay as today's Mail states he was at a drama and dance school for several years?

On that basis it doesn't seem unfair to say that he had a bit of a head start on several of the contestants in both the acting and dancing stakes.

So far it is clear the judges have given him the kid glove treatment. You would almost have thought we were looking at a budding Fred Astaire instead of something that looks awkward, uncomfortable and very manufactured. Perhaps as someone said the judges just carry an agenda into the show and they want to big-up the likes of Jay just to appeal to the X-Factor audience. Hopefully, at some stage they will take a reality check but somehow I doubt it.”

Be honest, MOST of this lot have had some previous in acting, dancing, tv exposure etc..as did the top 4 last year,and thats why the likes of Iwan looked so amateurish in comparison.
As for why jay has 'cornered the shy boy act'....dunno...maybe its because Andre beat him to the 'I do it for me kids routine' and Georgia beat him to the 'just a lass from liverpewl/bury' delete as appropriate...!

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