Richard making the final would be a hell of a shock - every clip of him from the interviews + tellymix spoilers saying his idea gets torn apart and called gibberish suggests that this week is a trainwreck for him.
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Shame Ricahrd is the only one who deserves to win, but its happened last 2 years now, the person who has been good through out the show loses in interviews down to a bad plan.
Ugh if it is Vana and Jospeh I hope Vana wins then, Joseph is just horrid, I dont want to see his smug face winning ;(
Ugh if it is Vana and Jospeh I hope Vana wins then, Joseph is just horrid, I dont want to see his smug face winning ;(
Quote:
“1. The interviewers: Mike Soutar and Claudine Collins return, Claude pulls double duty in both the interview room and boardroom and new to the team is Linda Plant, interior designer to the rich and famous. (She's rather scary - and quite incisive too.)
2. PlayDate, Project X, Celebration Disco.
3. "Differeniates" (sic).
4. You will probably have to pause your TV to see it, but an early shot of the pages of one candidate's business plan reveals to the eagle-eyed. business-savvy viewer that their financial projections fall way short of what Sugar would expect to return on his £250k investment. If you spot it, you'll know that they are dead in the water before they've even started.
5. They all do it to a certain extent, but one of the candidates in particular gets hauled over the coals for over-egging their level of responsibility and authority on their CV.
6. As ever, Mike Soutar has a prop up his sleeve - he tests Joseph on his knolwedge of Sugar's book (which in The Final Five he said inspired him to set up in business himself). Was Joseph lying or telling the truth? We'll see.
7. "It's like a bad 1980s marketing book - it's mumbo-jumbo."
8. "This is a business plan which is sinking on its numbers."
9. According to one candidate's projections, they will burn through Sugar's £250k inside six months.
10. One candidate on their own business plan: "Absolute pretentious crap ... I was torn apart, quite right too."
11. One candidate is projecting a whopping £7m profit by year 3.
12. "I've never experienced anything like that in my life."”
“1. The interviewers: Mike Soutar and Claudine Collins return, Claude pulls double duty in both the interview room and boardroom and new to the team is Linda Plant, interior designer to the rich and famous. (She's rather scary - and quite incisive too.)
2. PlayDate, Project X, Celebration Disco.
3. "Differeniates" (sic).
4. You will probably have to pause your TV to see it, but an early shot of the pages of one candidate's business plan reveals to the eagle-eyed. business-savvy viewer that their financial projections fall way short of what Sugar would expect to return on his £250k investment. If you spot it, you'll know that they are dead in the water before they've even started.
5. They all do it to a certain extent, but one of the candidates in particular gets hauled over the coals for over-egging their level of responsibility and authority on their CV.
6. As ever, Mike Soutar has a prop up his sleeve - he tests Joseph on his knolwedge of Sugar's book (which in The Final Five he said inspired him to set up in business himself). Was Joseph lying or telling the truth? We'll see.
7. "It's like a bad 1980s marketing book - it's mumbo-jumbo."
8. "This is a business plan which is sinking on its numbers."
9. According to one candidate's projections, they will burn through Sugar's £250k inside six months.
10. One candidate on their own business plan: "Absolute pretentious crap ... I was torn apart, quite right too."
11. One candidate is projecting a whopping £7m profit by year 3.
12. "I've never experienced anything like that in my life."”
1. From what I've seen, she takes an instant disliking to Charleine, which has already earned her points in my burn book. Nevertheless, I think I shall like her more than Ricky, who was a terrible interviewer. It was quite hypocritical of him to constantly be on the finalists' CV's when his was riddled with inaccuracies and boasts.
2. Undoubtedly Gary.
4. Charleine, I think, unfortunately. I could be wrong, but I can see her business plan being style over substance - like Bianca's, it seemed very good, but the economics are average-poor.
5. Hm, I wonder... (Richard!)
6. The editing will definitely play host here.
7. I think Richard's plan was something online? I'd say him. If not him, Gary.
8. This was in the previews, I believe, with Claudine saying it to Joseph..?
9. Charleine or Joseph. I've had Roisin vibes from Joseph from very early on, and he may be fired prior simply because of his numbers. Charleine because she doesn't strike me as a mathematics guru, more a "common-sense" candidate. I'd lean towards Charleine though.
10. Richard or Gary. Richard seemed quite unsure of himself in previews. I'd say him.
11. Vana. I can see her explaining how she got there too.
12. ALL OF THEM! (Vana's probably the one who said it though
)
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“It amazes me that they are still taking bets on this given that there are several hundred people (TV reviewers such as myself plus the You're Fired audience) who know the outcome of the episode by now - I've known since Friday afternoon.”
“It amazes me that they are still taking bets on this given that there are several hundred people (TV reviewers such as myself plus the You're Fired audience) who know the outcome of the episode by now - I've known since Friday afternoon.”
Agree, but the identity of the actual winner may not be common knowledge until tomo?
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“Agree, but the identity of the actual winner may not be common knowledge until tomo?”
“Agree, but the identity of the actual winner may not be common knowledge until tomo?”
I woudl've thought the beeb would've banned this. It's happened three years running in Bake Off, and they've done nothing about it. Seems a bit odd.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“It is tricky that you can't talk to anyone about what you've seen but it's just part of the deal of the privilege of having preview access. You don't talk about it any more than you would, say, share confidential information about the company you work for.
Is it a good episode? I think many viewers' opinions will be influenced by whether their particular favourite gets through but, yes, it is. There are definite journeys that the candidates go through. There are a few proper OMG moments. And I really like Linda Plant as an interviewer - she is harsh but I thought she asked some excellent no-nonsense questions. I happen to disagree with Sugar's choice of finalists (well, one of them, anyway) but that's 50% me as a viewer and 50% me with my business head on.
The final, however, is hilarious.”
“It is tricky that you can't talk to anyone about what you've seen but it's just part of the deal of the privilege of having preview access. You don't talk about it any more than you would, say, share confidential information about the company you work for.
Is it a good episode? I think many viewers' opinions will be influenced by whether their particular favourite gets through but, yes, it is. There are definite journeys that the candidates go through. There are a few proper OMG moments. And I really like Linda Plant as an interviewer - she is harsh but I thought she asked some excellent no-nonsense questions. I happen to disagree with Sugar's choice of finalists (well, one of them, anyway) but that's 50% me as a viewer and 50% me with my business head on.
The final, however, is hilarious.”
Cheers mate!
Yeah Linda looks a tough cookie from the previews. For what it's worth I feel it's very valid her questioning Charleine re her crying even if it comes across as harsh. And I like Charleine. you really have to have rhino skin and a rock hard exterior to run a business efficiently and yet still be calm and collected when you need to be. she's a bit of a loose cannon bless her
Ricky was good at the interviewing itself but doesn't really make for good tv lets be honest. it was nice publicity for his Business though! but I think Linda will be an improvement
Originally Posted by Alex_McNamee:
“I woudl've thought the beeb would've banned this. It's happened three years running in Bake Off, and they've done nothing about it. Seems a bit odd.”
“I woudl've thought the beeb would've banned this. It's happened three years running in Bake Off, and they've done nothing about it. Seems a bit odd.”
When the irish Apprentice ran, paddy Power used to do hypothetical odds. It was interesting to see who was the favourite for next elimination each week, and how the favourite for outright winner chopped and changed over the weeks
The bookies who are actually taking bets (BWin seem to be the only ones still offering a book) have clearly had good reason to place Joseph at very short odds right from day one despite him not emerging as a strong candidate really until week 6
that said who knows of course they could be off. Slouchingthatch is the only one who knows if they really are- the b@stard!!
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“When the irish Apprentice ran, paddy Power used to do hypothetical odds. It was interesting to see who was the favourite for next elimination each week, and how the favourite for outright winner chopped and changed over the weeks
The bookies who are actually taking bets (BWin seem to be the only ones still offering a book) have clearly had good reason to place Joseph at very short odds right from day one despite him not emerging as a strong candidate really until week 6
that said who knows of course they could be off. Slouchingthatch is the only one who knows if they really are- the b@stard!!”
“When the irish Apprentice ran, paddy Power used to do hypothetical odds. It was interesting to see who was the favourite for next elimination each week, and how the favourite for outright winner chopped and changed over the weeks
The bookies who are actually taking bets (BWin seem to be the only ones still offering a book) have clearly had good reason to place Joseph at very short odds right from day one despite him not emerging as a strong candidate really until week 6
that said who knows of course they could be off. Slouchingthatch is the only one who knows if they really are- the b@stard!!
”
I bloody hope they are - Charleine's my favourite! (Not helped by the fact that I have to watch it an hour later on the iPlayer due to school commitments...grr!)
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“I happen to disagree with Sugar's choice of finalists (well, one of them, anyway) but that's 50% me as a viewer and 50% me with my business head on..”
“I happen to disagree with Sugar's choice of finalists (well, one of them, anyway) but that's 50% me as a viewer and 50% me with my business head on..”
Charleine as a finalist confirmed?
Ok, so basically unless Vana does a Tom P, Joseph's won hasn't he? (I know they don't find out who's won until about now)
So Vana had Richard and Charleine with her, Joseph had Elle and Mergim.
My money says Joseph wins (despite having 2 of the more inept candidates with him, whilst Vana has 2 of the best).
So Vana had Richard and Charleine with her, Joseph had Elle and Mergim.
My money says Joseph wins (despite having 2 of the more inept candidates with him, whilst Vana has 2 of the best).
Also from the YF show, Joseph has Gary with him as well, and from what Charleine has said about not working with Brett, looks like if he comes back then Joseph has him too (I doubt they'd show Elle and Mergim so much if Brett was there though).
I fully expect a Joseph win now, got a great edit, is far less of a risk and Sugar really relates to him
he really impressed me in the interviews
Joseph has Gary, Mergim and Elle, Vana has Charleine, Richard and I couldn't spot anyone else. Gary and Richard on the finallists sub-teams
I imagine Vana gets first pick and goes with Richard, then Joseph goes with Gary.
he really impressed me in the interviews
Joseph has Gary, Mergim and Elle, Vana has Charleine, Richard and I couldn't spot anyone else. Gary and Richard on the finallists sub-teams
I imagine Vana gets first pick and goes with Richard, then Joseph goes with Gary.
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“My money says Joseph wins (despite having 2 of the more inept candidates with him, whilst Vana has 2 of the best).”
“My money says Joseph wins (despite having 2 of the more inept candidates with him, whilst Vana has 2 of the best).”
Prior form actually generally goes out the window in this last task, with much less pressure on them. i actually think Mergim could be very useful in something like this
Why has everyone suddenly forgotten Vino by Vana that we were all looking at last week? Surely that's a bit of a tip off that this dating business plan of hers doesn't quite go down well
Originally Posted by ShotDownInFlame:
“Why has everyone suddenly forgotten Vino by Vana that we were all looking at last week? Surely that's a bit of a tip off that this dating business plan of hers doesn't quite go down well”
“Why has everyone suddenly forgotten Vino by Vana that we were all looking at last week? Surely that's a bit of a tip off that this dating business plan of hers doesn't quite go down well”
very true!
Regardless, i think joe is the clear favourite anyway. fair play to him , he's been a very solid candidate. good guy too
didn't spot it on the preview, but Brett is on team Joseph sunday, acc to Elle on twitter
Elle, Gary, Mergim, Brett. Joseph Gary one sub team
Charleine, Richard, ?, ?. Sam and David?
Elle, Gary, Mergim, Brett. Joseph Gary one sub team
Charleine, Richard, ?, ?. Sam and David?
Originally Posted by ShotDownInFlame:
“Why has everyone suddenly forgotten Vino by Vana that we were all looking at last week? Surely that's a bit of a tip off that this dating business plan of hers doesn't quite go down well”
“Why has everyone suddenly forgotten Vino by Vana that we were all looking at last week? Surely that's a bit of a tip off that this dating business plan of hers doesn't quite go down well”
Hence why I said above:
'unless Vana does a Tom P, Joseph has surely won'
In all fairness though, Joseph has effectively been made immune twice (task 6 and tonight), and this final screams series 8 to me (safer plan in Ricky winning over more risky plan with Tom G, plus imo Joseph had the same sympathetic PM loss edit that Ricky had).
If Joseph doesn't win, I shall swim in a pool of baked beans for charity (and I cannot stand baked beans whatsoever)
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“Hence why I said above:
'unless Vana does a Tom P, Joseph has surely won'
In all fairness though, Joseph has effectively been made immune twice (task 6 and tonight), and this final screams series 8 to me (safer plan in Ricky winning over more risky plan with Tom G, plus imo Joseph had the same sympathetic PM loss edit that Ricky had).
If Joseph doesn't win, I shall swim in a pool of baked beans for charity (and I cannot stand baked beans whatsoever)”
“Hence why I said above:
'unless Vana does a Tom P, Joseph has surely won'
In all fairness though, Joseph has effectively been made immune twice (task 6 and tonight), and this final screams series 8 to me (safer plan in Ricky winning over more risky plan with Tom G, plus imo Joseph had the same sympathetic PM loss edit that Ricky had).
If Joseph doesn't win, I shall swim in a pool of baked beans for charity (and I cannot stand baked beans whatsoever)
”
did LS ever pronounce a definite finalist before? i've a sh1t memory
!! i thought it was significant tbhYep, Joe had a very sympathetic PM loss, what was LS's only qualm "you might be too young"? As opposed to tearing apart others throughout the process over the years for much better performances
Sugar has always loved Joe even from the beginning. The "Valentino" nickname is more of an endearment rather than the more derisive "Tricky Dicky".
Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.
Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.
Originally Posted by Diorelli:
“Sugar has always loved Joe even from the beginning. The "Valentino" nickname is more of an endearment rather than the more derisive "Tricky Dicky".
Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.”
“Sugar has always loved Joe even from the beginning. The "Valentino" nickname is more of an endearment rather than the more derisive "Tricky Dicky".
Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.”
"I don't like people I invest in having other projects on the side" pretty much his exact words to Richard tonight, I don't remember the exact quote but it was words to that effect!
even taking that out, he has loved Joseph much more throughout the process, and he is far more risk-free
It'll be edited for dramatic purposes, but i don't think it's even close
Originally Posted by Diorelli:
“Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.”
“Given that Vana is now selling wines and the bookies have him as a favourite at Day 1, I think it's fair to say he has won this.”
Think that doesn't prove anything. The only thing that speaks for him is the positive edit. In the old format, Vana would easily win this, but in the current format it all depends on the business plan.
Don't get me wrong, he will probably win but not because he is so much the better candidate (over the whole series). Funny that the PM's for week 3 are now both in the final.
As for returning candidates, David is NOT returning (see his twitter; he is also still dissing Charleine, funny that he is mates with Gary who got him fired
). Also, Natalie is team Vana, so perhaps she was on her team?This is also the first time in the current format that my favourite has made the final.
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Think that doesn't prove anything. The only thing that speaks for him is the positive edit. In the old format, Vana would easily win this, but in the current format it all depends on the business plan.
Don't get me wrong, he will probably win but not because he is so much the better candidate (over the whole series). Funny that the PM's for week 3 are now both in the final.
As for returning candidates, David is NOT returning (see his twitter; he is also still dissing Charleine, funny that he is mates with Gary who got him fired). Also, Natalie is team Vana, so perhaps she was on her team?
This is also the first time in the current format that my favourite has made the final.”
“Think that doesn't prove anything. The only thing that speaks for him is the positive edit. In the old format, Vana would easily win this, but in the current format it all depends on the business plan.
Don't get me wrong, he will probably win but not because he is so much the better candidate (over the whole series). Funny that the PM's for week 3 are now both in the final.
As for returning candidates, David is NOT returning (see his twitter; he is also still dissing Charleine, funny that he is mates with Gary who got him fired
). Also, Natalie is team Vana, so perhaps she was on her team?This is also the first time in the current format that my favourite has made the final.”
Hmm so Charleine, Richard, Natalie and.. Sam?
David is such a dose on twitter! glad he left weeks ago!
Originally Posted by Henry Price:
“Not so. The bookmakers odds on both Joseph and Vana suddenly dropped to unrealistically low values on 10th October. That was 4 days before the show first televised !!
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/the-ap...te/all-history
See for yourself.”
“Not so. The bookmakers odds on both Joseph and Vana suddenly dropped to unrealistically low values on 10th October. That was 4 days before the show first televised !!
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/the-ap...te/all-history
See for yourself.”
Don't know if the link is still valid, but my forecast certainly was.
Can't say who will win between them, except Joseph is heavily backed. Lord Sugar understands plumbing. Vana's project is too high risk for him.
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