Microsoft Is Suddenly Making Truly Compelling Devices

Mark in Essex · 07-10-2015, 10:19

Just thought I would share this I saw in the news:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/mic...elling-devices

Hope they do well as would be nice to have a bit more competition and choice if they also get more apps in their app store as well.

JordyD · 07-10-2015, 12:07

The 950 looks banging to me.

Things get me excited: OLED display, QHD, 3000MAh Battery, Design, Camera.

Looks like the perfect ~5" phone I've been looking for.

catsaregrey · 07-10-2015, 20:54

considering the 950 myself as well. Been on android since day one and fancy trying windows now. Was looking through any apps id need and as long as it has chrome, twitter and a sat nav anything else i can make do without.

If the lack of apps turns out to be too annoying then i can always sell it and stick with my LG G2 until something else catches my eye.

TheBigM · 09-10-2015, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsaregrey

considering the 950 myself as well. Been on android since day one and fancy trying windows now. Was looking through any apps id need and as long as it has chrome, twitter and a sat nav anything else i can make do without.

If the lack of apps turns out to be too annoying then i can always sell it and stick with my LG G2 until something else catches my eye.

It does not have Chrome. It will have the Microsoft Edge browser.

catsaregrey · 09-10-2015, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigM

It does not have Chrome. It will have the Microsoft Edge browser.

is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile?

Aye Up · 09-10-2015, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsaregrey

is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile?

Only at the developers leisure, Chrome isn't available as an "app" on any Windows platform. You can download the browser to your pc/laptop as a full desktop program.

The idea is for developers to write once, work everywhere (Xbox, PC and Mobile), they have just recently launched a new SDK which will make it easier for developers to go cross platform only requiring the smallest of code changes.

I think it highly unlikely Google will develop Apps for windows, given their lack of effort so far......they only have a search app.

Zee_Bukhari · 10-10-2015, 00:29

Why would Google's Chrome be on Microsoft's Windows Mobile 10 when Microsoft Edge will never be on Google's Android?

DevonBloke · 10-10-2015, 00:55

Because Microsoft are playing catchup and it would be a good idea to allow anything to be honest.
It's not all about the browser, it's about how many handsets you can shift and how many existing Android and iOS users you can tempt.
In other words, who cares about what browser our users are running, lets' just get Windows out there!

jonmorris · 10-10-2015, 01:03

I wouldn't be surprised if the Edge browser comes to Android. Plenty of other browsers have.

DevonBloke · 10-10-2015, 01:07

It's ok too.
Really fast on a PC.
Still a work in progress but pretty good even now.
I agree. It won't be long before we see Edge for Android and iOS.

gadgetebz · 10-10-2015, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsaregrey

is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile?

Edge will soon have the ability to use Chrome Extentions I read somewhere.. I am thinking they moved away from Internet Explorer for consumer devices to make their browser more Chromelike..

gadgetebz · 10-10-2015, 10:14

I am definitely getting a lumia 950 or 950xl and probably the new Microsoft Band.. So tempted by the Surface Book not sure I am going to be able to resist it...

I can see Microsoft adding a Surface Phone range next year to properly target the Iphone.

Personally I would love to see them do an Intel based TV box to compete with Fire/Apple TV Roku etc..

Hurlley · 10-10-2015, 10:39

I have switched from Windows Phone to android, Android feels very Windows 98, the only reason for the switch is the App support, other than that Windows Phone is better in pretty much every single way! even the little things like notifications, messaging, menu layout.

1manonthebog · 10-10-2015, 21:03

They've shot themselves in the foot by pricing the 950 at £499, who will buy it other than the MS fanboys if there is any when you can an iPhone 6s for £30 more or an S6 for the same price, not to mention phones like the new Nexus, One Plus 2 etc etc

Moleskin · 10-10-2015, 22:24

Tried Windows 10 on my Lumia and wasn't impressed, full of bugs, forced close a lot, wouldn't let me install certain programs, went back to 8.1.

Aye Up · 11-10-2015, 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moleskin

Tried Windows 10 on my Lumia and wasn't impressed, full of bugs, forced close a lot, wouldn't let me install certain programs, went back to 8.1.

Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices?

alanwarwic · 13-10-2015, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aye Up

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I think it highly unlikely Google will develop Apps for windows, given their lack of effort so far......they only have a search app.

At least this will keep desktop programs available to consumers. Theres an inevitability in there being a 100% move to small universe apps, at least for consumer software.

catsaregrey · 13-10-2015, 20:22

hmmmm just realised id miss sky+ and sky go which dont seem to be on windows either. Shame as i quite like the look of the OS when i had a play with it. Seemed very smooth and easy to use but as others have said, if the app support isnt there its not worth it.

1manonthebog · 14-10-2015, 06:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsaregrey

hmmmm just realised id miss sky+ and sky go which dont seem to be on windows either. Shame as i quite like the look of the OS when i had a play with it. Seemed very smooth and easy to use but as others have said, if the app support isnt there its not worth it.

Its always been the same old story with WP

Stig · 14-10-2015, 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1manonthebog

Its always been the same old story with WP

Microsoft are hoping that now app development is common between the desktop and mobile that there will be a lot more apps.

jonmorris · 14-10-2015, 10:10

Even if that happens, they need to be fully functional apps. Not like the far more crippled versions that WP often got compared to Android and iOS.

It's all possible, but will it happen?

TheBigM · 14-10-2015, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aye Up

Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices?

It's in beta for all devices in people's hands.

clonmult · 14-10-2015, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aye Up

Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices?

This close to product launch, the OS should be way more stable than it is. Heck, as it stands the store barely works (won't reliably update apps, apps that it won't update can't even be deleted from the device).

jonmorris · 14-10-2015, 14:22

Windows 10 for PC had major issues with the store, mail app and other 'key' apps that were all fixed on the final update, which was rather late in the day.

I am sure it will be fine.

I've got Windows 10 on my 930 and I have experienced similar problems. I even managed to brick my 1520, which is annoying although I wasn't really using it.

clonmult · 14-10-2015, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

Windows 10 for PC had major issues with the store, mail app and other 'key' apps that were all fixed on the final update, which was rather late in the day.

I am sure it will be fine.

I've got Windows 10 on my 930 and I have experienced similar problems. I even managed to brick my 1520, which is annoying although I wasn't really using it.

I never used the store on my "main" windows laptop during the developer preview.

Didn't particularly mind the initial build of W10M making my 1020 unusable - it put the blighter into flight mode when there was no flight mode. Took a while to roll back to WP8.1.

I love the look of continuum, but it would be of no use to me. But I'm wanting to go to a smaller device now, the L1020 size is about right for me (which is about the same size as the Xperia Z3 and Z5).

I'm just not convinced by the changes made to W10M, it just doesn't feel as good as W10 does on the desktop. the interface makes sense when you swap between desktop and mobile mode via continuum, just not as good as before in a purely mobile environment.

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07-10-2015, 12:07	#2
JordyD Inactive Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,983	The 950 looks banging to me. Things get me excited: OLED display, QHD, 3000MAh Battery, Design, Camera. Looks like the perfect ~5" phone I've been looking for.

07-10-2015, 20:54	#3
catsaregrey Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,073	considering the 950 myself as well. Been on android since day one and fancy trying windows now. Was looking through any apps id need and as long as it has chrome, twitter and a sat nav anything else i can make do without. If the lack of apps turns out to be too annoying then i can always sell it and stick with my LG G2 until something else catches my eye.

09-10-2015, 17:31	#4
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by catsaregrey considering the 950 myself as well. Been on android since day one and fancy trying windows now. Was looking through any apps id need and as long as it has chrome, twitter and a sat nav anything else i can make do without. If the lack of apps turns out to be too annoying then i can always sell it and stick with my LG G2 until something else catches my eye. It does not have Chrome. It will have the Microsoft Edge browser.

09-10-2015, 20:15	#5
catsaregrey Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,073	Quote: Originally Posted by TheBigM It does not have Chrome. It will have the Microsoft Edge browser. is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile?

09-10-2015, 22:40	#6
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by catsaregrey is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile? Only at the developers leisure, Chrome isn't available as an "app" on any Windows platform. You can download the browser to your pc/laptop as a full desktop program. The idea is for developers to write once, work everywhere (Xbox, PC and Mobile), they have just recently launched a new SDK which will make it easier for developers to go cross platform only requiring the smallest of code changes. I think it highly unlikely Google will develop Apps for windows, given their lack of effort so far......they only have a search app.

10-10-2015, 00:29	#7
Zee_Bukhari Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,319	Why would Google's Chrome be on Microsoft's Windows Mobile 10 when Microsoft Edge will never be on Google's Android?

10-10-2015, 00:55	#8
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Because Microsoft are playing catchup and it would be a good idea to allow anything to be honest. It's not all about the browser, it's about how many handsets you can shift and how many existing Android and iOS users you can tempt. In other words, who cares about what browser our users are running, lets' just get Windows out there!

10-10-2015, 01:03	#9
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	I wouldn't be surprised if the Edge browser comes to Android. Plenty of other browsers have.

10-10-2015, 01:07	#10
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	It's ok too. Really fast on a PC. Still a work in progress but pretty good even now. I agree. It won't be long before we see Edge for Android and iOS.

10-10-2015, 10:08	#11
gadgetebz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 46	Quote: Originally Posted by catsaregrey is chrome not available in the store? I thought windows 10 apps were going to be cross compatible from desktop to mobile? Edge will soon have the ability to use Chrome Extentions I read somewhere.. I am thinking they moved away from Internet Explorer for consumer devices to make their browser more Chromelike..

10-10-2015, 10:14	#12
gadgetebz Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 46	I am definitely getting a lumia 950 or 950xl and probably the new Microsoft Band.. So tempted by the Surface Book not sure I am going to be able to resist it... I can see Microsoft adding a Surface Phone range next year to properly target the Iphone. Personally I would love to see them do an Intel based TV box to compete with Fire/Apple TV Roku etc..

10-10-2015, 10:39	#13
Hurlley Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Leicester Posts: 1,993	I have switched from Windows Phone to android, Android feels very Windows 98, the only reason for the switch is the App support, other than that Windows Phone is better in pretty much every single way! even the little things like notifications, messaging, menu layout.

10-10-2015, 21:03	#14
1manonthebog Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,332	They've shot themselves in the foot by pricing the 950 at £499, who will buy it other than the MS fanboys if there is any when you can an iPhone 6s for £30 more or an S6 for the same price, not to mention phones like the new Nexus, One Plus 2 etc etc

10-10-2015, 22:24	#15
Moleskin Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,040	Tried Windows 10 on my Lumia and wasn't impressed, full of bugs, forced close a lot, wouldn't let me install certain programs, went back to 8.1.

11-10-2015, 02:28	#16
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by Moleskin Tried Windows 10 on my Lumia and wasn't impressed, full of bugs, forced close a lot, wouldn't let me install certain programs, went back to 8.1. Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices?

13-10-2015, 16:44	#17
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Aye Up .... I think it highly unlikely Google will develop Apps for windows, given their lack of effort so far......they only have a search app. At least this will keep desktop programs available to consumers. Theres an inevitability in there being a 100% move to small universe apps, at least for consumer software.

13-10-2015, 20:22	#18
catsaregrey Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,073	hmmmm just realised id miss sky+ and sky go which dont seem to be on windows either. Shame as i quite like the look of the OS when i had a play with it. Seemed very smooth and easy to use but as others have said, if the app support isnt there its not worth it.

14-10-2015, 06:56	#19
1manonthebog Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 2,332	Quote: Originally Posted by catsaregrey hmmmm just realised id miss sky+ and sky go which dont seem to be on windows either. Shame as i quite like the look of the OS when i had a play with it. Seemed very smooth and easy to use but as others have said, if the app support isnt there its not worth it. Its always been the same old story with WP

14-10-2015, 07:15	#20
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by 1manonthebog Its always been the same old story with WP Microsoft are hoping that now app development is common between the desktop and mobile that there will be a lot more apps.

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jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Even if that happens, they need to be fully functional apps. Not like the far more crippled versions that WP often got compared to Android and iOS. It's all possible, but will it happen?

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14-10-2015, 11:33	#22
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by Aye Up Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices? It's in beta for all devices in people's hands.

14-10-2015, 14:03	#23
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Aye Up Maybe because its still in beta for a lot of devices? This close to product launch, the OS should be way more stable than it is. Heck, as it stands the store barely works (won't reliably update apps, apps that it won't update can't even be deleted from the device).

14-10-2015, 14:22	#24
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Windows 10 for PC had major issues with the store, mail app and other 'key' apps that were all fixed on the final update, which was rather late in the day. I am sure it will be fine. I've got Windows 10 on my 930 and I have experienced similar problems. I even managed to brick my 1520, which is annoying although I wasn't really using it.

14-10-2015, 15:54	#25
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Windows 10 for PC had major issues with the store, mail app and other 'key' apps that were all fixed on the final update, which was rather late in the day. I am sure it will be fine. I've got Windows 10 on my 930 and I have experienced similar problems. I even managed to brick my 1520, which is annoying although I wasn't really using it. I never used the store on my "main" windows laptop during the developer preview. Didn't particularly mind the initial build of W10M making my 1020 unusable - it put the blighter into flight mode when there was no flight mode. Took a while to roll back to WP8.1. I love the look of continuum, but it would be of no use to me. But I'm wanting to go to a smaller device now, the L1020 size is about right for me (which is about the same size as the Xperia Z3 and Z5). I'm just not convinced by the changes made to W10M, it just doesn't feel as good as W10 does on the desktop. the interface makes sense when you swap between desktop and mobile mode via continuum, just not as good as before in a purely mobile environment.