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At Last A Black Professional Dancer on Strictly
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radiofan4
08-10-2015
The black professional dancer Oti is really good, it's so good to see black ballroom dancers. I look forward to seeing her dance each week now.
JamieHT
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“The black professional dancer Oti is really good, it's so good to see black ballroom dancers. I look forward to seeing her dance each week now.”

Is she really the first??

Regardless of her skin colour, I think she seems lovely and an extremely good dancer. Of the three new pros, she's my favourite.
Nina_Blake
08-10-2015
She makes a great addition to the pros. Giovanni and Gleb are alright, but both seem a bit conceited.
CravenHaven
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“it's so good to see black ballroom dancers.”

It will be good to see good ballroom 10-dance type ballroom dancers when there seem to be more and more formation team types and trashy choreography.
Jim Kowalski
08-10-2015
Quote:
“At Last A Black Professional Dancer on Strictly”

I don't think Ainsley is that good but he does have a certain style.
fatskia
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jim Kowalski:
“I don't think Ainsley is that good but he does have a certain style.”

Ann_Dancer
08-10-2015
Sadly, ballroom dancing doesn't attract that great a proportion of black dancers. I know someone who is black and competes. They think they might at least have the advantage of more easily catching the judges' eye.

So Strictly producers would be limited for choice, unless they wanted to go outside the ballroom genre. Still Oti is a good signing.
Jennifer_F
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Sadly, ballroom dancing doesn't attract that great a proportion of black dancers. I know someone who is black and competes. They think they might at least have the advantage of more easily catching the judges' eye.

So Strictly producers would be limited for choice, unless they wanted to go outside the ballroom genre. Still Oti is a good signing.”

I quite agree, Ann. There are all too few black dancers on the Ballroom/Latin scene, mores the pity. I remember seeing Oti at Blackpool when she used to compete ( latin) a few years back but other than that,....
natalian
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“The black professional dancer Oti is really good, it's so good to see black ballroom dancers. I look forward to seeing her dance each week now.”

Should the pro dancers not be appointed because they are good at what they do rather than because of their age/sex/sexuality/skin colour/whatever?

Oti has been hired because she is good at her job, as is self evident from the way she dances. By coincidence, she also happens to be black.
IvanIV
08-10-2015
Just keep Anton away.
radiofan4
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by natalian:
“Should the pro dancers not be appointed because they are good at what they do rather than because of their age/sex/sexuality/skin colour/whatever?

Oti has been hired because she is good at her job, as is self evident from the way she dances. By coincidence, she also happens to be black.”

There are a lot of good black dancers out there, but many are not given the opportunity to dance in shows like these
Skyrah
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Just keep Anton away.”

not sure if you are being serious or it's a tongue in cheek throw away comment, either way I didn't find it funny
fridgesoup
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by natalian:
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Oti has been hired because she is good at her job, as is self evident from the way she dances. By coincidence, she also happens to be black.”

This is true...

Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“The black professional dancer Oti is really good, it's so good to see black ballroom dancers.”

...and this is also true.

Not mutually exclusive ideas.
jiroos
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by natalian:
“Should the pro dancers not be appointed because they are good at what they do rather than because of their age/sex/sexuality/skin colour/whatever?

Oti has been hired because she is good at her job, as is self evident from the way she dances. By coincidence, she also happens to be black.”

Absolutely - but the dancers are not always hired because they are good at their job. Eg Anton is often cited as a poor Latin dancer - but has somehow managed to hold down his job. Jared anyone??

Another point - if the 15 best pros auditioning for a spot on Strictly were all from ethnic minorities, not all would be hired based on them being the best at what they do. Lesser dancers (of different colour) would be added to create more of a balance.

Finally, the OP never said Oti was hired because she is black as you imply. They were just commenting on a fact which, for whatever reason, cannot be denied - that she is the first black pro dancer on Strictly and how good that is to see at last. The same will happen if/when a lesbian or a Chinese or a physically-challenged pro is hired. It may not be right but neither you and I can do anything to stop it. And actually, why should we?
Twenty10
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“There are a lot of good black dancers out there, but many are not given the opportunity to dance in shows like these”



You'll have to expand on that because, otherwise, it's just a silly comment with nothing to back it up.
Heatherbell
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“There are a lot of good black dancers out there, but many are not given the opportunity to dance in shows like these”

There is no way you could know that as fact .
She's a great little dancer and seems a nice person so the colour of her skin is irrelevant .
IvanIV
08-10-2015
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“not sure if you are being serious or it's a tongue in cheek throw away comment, either way I didn't find it funny ”

He has a history.
radiofan4
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“There is no way you could know that as fact .
She's a great little dancer and seems a nice person so the colour of her skin is irrelevant .”

I've worked in the dance industry for 13 years . I know what I'm talking about
MayD
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jim Kowalski:
“I don't think Ainsley is that good but he does have a certain style.”

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MayD
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“I quite agree, Ann. There are all too few black dancers on the Ballroom/Latin scene, mores the pity. I remember seeing Oti at Blackpool when she used to compete ( latin) a few years back but other than that,....”

I once read there weren't many successful black swimmers. Is that swimming or the competitors problem (for want of a better word)?

Not trying to be controversial. Just highlighting that there can be disproportionate representation from a group in an activity with no obvious reason for it. i.e. (a) Not interested (b) Not any good (c) Judges' bias, (d) Summat else (e) All of the above
Nina_Blake
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by MayD:
“I once read there weren't many successful black swimmers. Is that swimming or the competitors problem (for want of a better word)?

Not trying to be controversial. Just highlighting that there can be disproportionate representation from a group in an activity with no obvious reason for it. i.e. (a) Not interested (b) Not any good (c) Judges' bias, (d) Summat else (e) All of the above ”

Oh dear...from past experience comments like that don't go down well in this forum.
bendymixer
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by radiofan4:
“There are a lot of good black dancers out there, but many are not given the opportunity to dance in shows like these”

I have been around dancing all my life from attending ballroom and latin comps whilst my parents danced as a child to teaching myself and running a large dance school. Have attended British Championships at Blackpool for over 50 years and in all that time can remember very few Black ballroom/latin dancers taking part Oti being one of them

Then again over the years have met and judged many terrific black dancers who were just not involved with ballroom and latin.

Having a dance school in an inner city area - we have a large number of black dancers but very few of them take ballroom and latin as their dance form of choice or to compete in - tap, ballet, lyrical, Hip Hop and Freestyle being far more popular
Ann_Dancer
10-10-2015
I think it may be lack of interest MayD.

If we were to look at current ballroom and latin competitions, then more remarkable would be the absence on Strictly of any dancers from certain parts of asia (specifically Japan, China and Malaysia ), since they are not only very involved in international ballroom, but also very successful.
Nina_Blake
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I think it may be lack of interest MayD.

If we were to look at current ballroom and latin competitions, then more remarkable would be the absence on Strictly of any dancers from certain parts of asia (specifically Japan, China and Malaysia ), since they are not only very involved in international ballroom, but also very successful.”

It doesn't really surprise me, as dancers from that part of the world are less likely to have learnt English.

If you mean dancers that are already living in the UK, then perhaps you're right
MayD
10-10-2015
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“Oh dear...from past experience comments like that don't go down well in this forum.”

I think that says more about you than me tbph. Can you explain what YOU think is wrong with it please?

I have posed reasonable questions in response to the issue being raised earlier in the thread.

You appear to be looking for problems and attitudes that do NOT exist imho

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