JUst an observation on my part. Most people in this X Factor forum know I have no love of G4's music. Boys ok, G4's vocals not the best imho, not bad but not good either.

I noticed when they stick to most more operatic song or ones they have sung many many times, so that they should be pitch perfect, that they manage to sing them quite well although their particular voices and wooden actions bore me personally.

G4 have been promoted to the high hills and I am in no doubt whatsoever that some of this was to try and overshadow the X Factor winner. But I have also noticed that the furore surrounding G4 seems to have lessened now and they seem to be dropping from the scene apart from the mania's on every week ( which I think is doing them more harm than good )

When I have watched G4 at all, I find they do quite well on the well rehearsed songs, mainly ones they did over and over again in their busking days, and should be note perfect on like BR and N/Dorma for instance, but when they practise newer ones, they are decidely off at times. I also wish they would stay away from the more pop acty songs, if they don't want their novelty to wear off. I honestly think the G4 cracks are now beginning to show.

I know G4 are doing tours and other little bits, but then so are most of last years XF acts.

This not a sl*g Steve, Ro, Tabby or any of the other X Factor acts off thread, just an honest opinion on G4, thread from me. So please don't bring other X Factor acts into the debate, unless there is a very good reason for comparrison. And do not start pulling me apart for starting a thread I have every right to start, and to gather other opinions on this subject. The DS rules clearly state respect other forum members. I thank you

But if you get to read this thread G4, I just hope you get to prove my theory wrong
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Susann.......quite simply you are incorrigible.


As for G4,they're ok and no doubt make many happy.If someone doesn't get a grip on their television appearances quickly,they are fast becoming laughable.Straight singing is what they do best but Ding-Donging and whoring themselves on Madonnamania is excrutiating.


For the record.......I thought their appearance with Lesley Garrett was stunning and appearances like that give them total credibility.

G4 don't appeal to me, but I am interested in how their career will be managed in the long term. Presumably they cannot continue doing covers forever more, so if they do release their next album I wonder if the original material will appeal to a mass audience, as the "novelty" of singing well known songs in an operatic manner will no longer be present. I hope their success continues so that their fans can continue to enjoy their music for many years to come

quite simply no-nothing more to say really except you should as a Steve fan be thinking of him at this very fragile time for him.It's not as if you are concerned about the boys as you admitted in another thread..This forum is nothing now-sad to see.

Why the personal comments to another poster?

After reading this, two words jumped out at me: "Steve fan".
I find it very sad that months after X Factor finished, people are still very much trying to compete their favourite against the other.
Slagging them off and disguising it as a "theory" by writing it politely is very sly.
I understand you are not a G4 fan, and are a huge fan of Steve's but surely you should be concentrating on Steve instead of writing the above which will achieve nothing.
I, personally have nothing against Steve, and in fact, wanted him to win if G4 didn't, and hope he does well in his career and does better than the likes of Gareth Gates, Hear'Say etc.
However, his fans on this forum seem to let him down by acting childishly and not being able to let it go that G4 have had a number one album, and just all-round competitiveness. I know that G4 fans have acted in a similar way, but most of them are teenage girls, unlike the middle-aged women backing Steve who should know better.


I also find it sad that people cannot accept that G4 are combining pop and opera in their songs, and that it seems to have to be one or the other. I'm not talking about people on this forum, but people in general as I have ssen comments by people on other forums claiming they dislike G4 for singing pop/opera as the two don't mix. Are people's minds that small they can't accept "different" music? Or that they can't accept that some people do like that type of music even though they don't?

Also, on the "G4-only-singing-cover-songs" subject, it was so great hearing Steve's first two singles, both very oringinal and written especially for him.

sorry did not intend it to sound at all personal-had intended to add a smile or two but could not find how..just seems to me Steve needs all the support he can get and his fans should be looking forward..and I was just puzzled why Susann would be so negative about an act she has no interest in..Sorry Susann for any misunderstanding ..

Anyway while i'm posting i'll just copy what I posted on this forum yesterday about G4 as it fits in here I think ..

"OK agree to disagree I think something posted on G4 online seems appropriate..

"The album is a massive seller and most of the people who bought it will not be analyzing it just enjoying it."

Thats how it will have been on Madonna Mania..

As for target audience..maybe we analyze too much ..primetime exposure..tour coming up..supported by loads of local radio stations-will probably mean plenty of local radio exposure in the coming weeks/months.

Looking forward to their second album and their debut album at number 8 in the album chart..will have been in the top ten albums for two months if it stays top ten next week.All done with little or no radio or music channel airplay-just Louis and his promotion.

Seems ok to me .."

I do think it's a shame this forum -and DS in general is so negative.In the case of x-factor not just about G4 but Steve also-not my type of music but he seems a nice guy and I wish him well--can't be helped I guess.

Is G4's short lived success finally going off the boil

In a word NO!

But the title of this thread makes me laugh.....what short lived success?

A Double Platinum Debut album which is still in the Top Ten after 8 weeks....and is approaching sales of half a million!

A sell out 22 date tour......in June/July

An acclaimed performance in the Classic Response concert

Non stop tv appearances since the beginning of the year and headlining appearances in festivals this summer.....

Need I go on.

And by "going off the boil" I presume you mean the hectic pace since Christmas slowing down slightly to give them a well earned break....... how many other artists do you know who have a non stop schedule without breaks? And taking into consideration that the whole of May will quite likely be taken up with rehearsals for the forthcoming Tour...I think they deserve a short holiday now!

As for their singing. Well here again I have to disagree with the comments made.

Their voices are as fabulous as ever. The performance of Barcelona with Lesley Garratt on Queenmania was superb! And it was good to see their versatility with the more poppy song Crazy for You on Madonna Mania. One of only two live performances of the night and beautifully sung. Proof that G4 can take on any song, any genre, and sing it perfectly!

What was good too, was to see the increase in album sales after the two Mania performances.

So no, I would say that far from "going off the boil" G4 are going from strength to strength. And why wouldnt they with amazing talent such as theirs!

Roll on the Tour and the next album I say!

Amelia

All i can say to this is remember Hearsay?

Not releasing any singles for a month or so is hardly called 'dropping from the scene'. Britney Spears hasn't released anything for a while, does that mean she's disappearing too? I think not.

Give them more time. It can take over a year to produce an album, but artists that leave the scene to record aren't really leaving the scene as such, are they? Like you said, G4 are on those mania shows (which I think are tacky and would agree with you saying they're probably doing more harm than good), they have an album which has recently been in the charts - I don't know whereabouts it is now.

But seriously, saying that G4 are dropping from the scene after such a short amount of time is ridiculous.

And the reason G4 overshadowed Steve is because Steve is rubbish.

Yes I remember Hearsay.

But I think you are missing the point here........the vital difference being that G4 have what Hearsay never had... amazing talent.

G4 are also a group of friends who came together out of a love of music.......not a manufactured group with one member who was eager to leave and find fame for herself and therefore caused the downfall of the whole group.

A completely different scenario.



Amelia

So basically you're saying that their huge amount of promotion, double platinum number one album and tour is a short-lived success... interesting. As far as I can see they are still very much in the spotlight... still number 8 in the charts after seven weeks, embarking on a 20+ date summer tour (some dates sold out I might add).

It isn't quite over yet... however much you'd like it to be.

Im sick of the "we are so pleased and supprised to be here" near tears speech they do every time they are interviewed. The act is one album one single lifespan. In the 80's Hale and Pace did this for comedy with choirs singing Status Quo etc. Frankly lads go do something less boring instead!

So why watch them then? Most tv's have an off switch.

Quite frankly I find it bemusing.... why are people who are obviously not fans.......so bothered and so het up about G4's huge success?

There are lots of artists in the music world that I am not a fan of.......I wouldnt waste my time talking about them....it seems daft to get your knickers in a twist over artists you dont even like! Surely it must be more fun to talk about artists you do like?

Amelia

It's either jealousy or a load of closetted G4 fans...

I think its because this is the "X Factor" forum so you are likely to find people on here who wish to discuss the acts from the X Factor - if no one posted any negative points about any of the acts it wouldn't be a forum just a group of fan sites

I am not a fan of G4's music and would not buy their records but they are 4 nice guys so good luck to them I think they will be around for a while because they are different Il Divo are better singers but to cheesy just hope they are not going to be a hindrence to steve's career

Susann, I'm sure G4 would be gratified that you've expended time and effort expressing concern on for their future.

For myself, appreciating G4's unique style and talent as I do, I will freely admit that the appearance on Madonnamania was not particularly good: The show was cheap and shoddy, the song choice poor and I would have preferred a more stylish arrangement from them. Downmarket, Saturday-night pap is not the best showcase for them and I would far rather see them performing in a classier environment, in which they have never seemed in any way out of their depth - and I speak as one who saw them live at the Royal Albert Hall amidst a line-up of well-established and respected names; a performance lauded by both a substantial (non-fan) public and critics alike.

The checks and balances of commercial concerns and artistic integrity is never an easy one to achieve and it is very early days, so, to my way of thinking, it's a little early to start writing the obituary on their careers just yet. This is all just part of the learning curve.

In keeping with the "rules" you laid out for this thread and mentioning this purely because I believe it to be wholly relevant both in terms of comparative reasoning and, indeed, the spirit of the original post; I would like to ask you if, when Steve has finally made as many public appearances as G4 have and he fails to deliver a performance of the high standard you, as a fan, have come to expect, you will be equally discriminating and honest?

Could proms get a touch of X-Factor? Apr 20 2005


By Cathy Reeves


TALKS are under way to book singing sensations G4 to perform at this year's Prom and Rock In The Park.

The finalists of the hit series X-Factor, would perform along with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - which is headlining this year's event.

Tony Witton, event director of Proms In The Park, said: "We are looking to do something different this year."

As well as Proms favourites, there will be a combination of orchestral tunes and songs from shows - but out goes the sound of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, which traditionally marks the festival's end.

Mr Witton added: "We are looking for a support act, something to match the quality of the Royal Philharmonic, if not its size, and are in discussions with the management of G4. If we could get them on board that would be superb."

In addition, two soloists are booked and talks are under way to book a soprano.

Despite two key firms, Manor Royal-based ROK and English Partnerships, coming forward as major sponsors this year, the Proms' future is in doubt after a major sponsor pulled out.

Organisers hope the more populist line-up, which is being put together in response to audience feedback, will help secure the event's long-term future.

Hey Susann (you minx!) You know who I am

I really like G4 and I thought Jon's (and the other guys') rendition of Madonna's Crazy For You on Saturday was absolutely superb.

I just wish Louis would get his finger out (ooer, what have I implied?) and release Creep (their best song imho) asap

Hi 'The Dandy'

Yes I know who you are I had already guessed, but a lttle birdie told me anyway

I like G4 , nothing against the boys, just don't like their music, I find them very bland to be honest and not my cup of tea at all That's not say I don't wish them well, as I do all the X Factor acts. they all worked their little socks off to get where they did. I just think Louis is doing them an injustice music wise and it might damage them long term if they are still about.

And come on now, they were awful on Madonna Mania, poor s*ds from the clips I saw and from what quite a few saw I might add, even some G4 fans have the honesty to admit to that much about Madonna Mania.

You know now I have replied to your post, I will probably have a load of G4 fans on my back now for daring to have a negative G4 opinion Oh well, I am off to bed soon anyway

You want Louis to get his finger out I expect the G4 boys do too

Naughty!

Only saw them singing that particular song so can't really comment on any others. But you're right, they definitely need to be steered in the right direction whilst they're still hot and Louis, for some reason, isn't keeping his eye on the ball(s) most worrying.

Pop in and say g'nite before bed won't you?

Of course I will

More to the point, do two negatives make a positive?

For clarity, are we discussing G4's success being short-lived, or is the topic about their success going off the boil?

The construction of the thread title suggests that it is the short-lived aspect of their success that is going 'off the boil'.

So are we debating a crash-and-burn scenario, or a sustained career ahead?

Or is the thread merely yet another poorly disguised dig at a perceived opponent from one of last year's television programmes?

I think you'll find your answer in Spiv's post which I've quoted below.