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I must be the only one that likes him then lol. I thought the whole arrogance thing is just an act.
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I agree. The pro's should be allowed to defend their choreography. I do think it was the head shaking that bugged Len (I don't think he'd have tore him to shreds if Giovanni had vocally expressed his disagreement) but I actually thought the head shaking was a bit tongue in cheek towards Bruno. I didn't read it as arrogance. But as you say, everyone judges things like that differently.
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I guess everyone will judge it differently, depending on their point of view. I can understand how some might think it was out of order, but I have no problem with him disagreeing with the judges comments, especially if it only amouinted to him shaking his head. Brendan and James go overboard answering back etc but he wasn't near that. I also like to see pros defending their partner. Personally I didn't see anything particularly arrogant about it at all (maybe because I enjoyed the dance) and I've seen much worse in terms of pros not agreeing with judges comments (and not getting spoken to the way Len spoke to him)
Disagreeing and defending your partner is very admirable, shaking your head is not |
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Thats exactly how I saw it too (towards his fellow Italian, Bruno). Disagreeing with judges comments is hardly a new thing among the pros (and many have spoke out or disagreed much stronger than Giovanni did) but being spoken to in that way by Len was what stood out for me.
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Indeed. It was annoyance at "disrespecting the judges." The lack of rumba steps tirade came after that!
Whether you think the strictly judges qualified or not - it's never a good idea to piss off the people who mark you. Sometimes you've just got to smile graciously when inside you're thinking "Bawwww, this is so unfair!" Which Georgia definitely did! Props to her for staying bright and bubbly in the face of a really awkward situation. Exactly either put up a proper defence or, smile, take it on the chin and move on. |
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I Len is old school so I can understand why he was frustrated with Giovanni as he is an arrogant man. Doesn't make Giovanni a bad person or give me a reason to dislike him though.
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Disagreeing and defending your partner is very admirable, shaking your head is not
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I think he's pretty sleazy with poor young Georgia.. he really seems the type who would split up her relationship with her boyfriend.. home-wrecker all over him.
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I must be the only one that likes him then lol. I thought the whole arrogance thing is just an act.
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Here's another one who likes him!
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We don't really know though, do we ? Is he really like that or just playing the part ?
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We don't really know though, do we ? Is he really like that or just playing the part ?
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Exactly either put up a proper defence or, smile, take it on the chin and move on.
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I think giovanni is an excellent Latin dancer and, whilst his rumba did lack some content, the number they were given to dance with fitted well with the choreography.
Some have said what right does he have to disagree with judges as he doesn't know better- eh, he does actually. He's a competitive Latin dancer which is more than can be said for Bruno, Darby and Craig- and Len, although a previous ballroom champ, danced in the old Latin and ballroom style- many competitive rumbas now would use a lot of the choreography giovanni used. Nice to see some new pros on strictly with some competitive credentials. |
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He's greasy, sleazy and tacky. A trashy humorless Vincent without the self awareness. Len can be just as bad but the way Giovanni stood there, shaking his head and rolling his eyes when the comments were fair and harmless...I can see why Len lost his cool (as awkward as it was).
BBC needs to stop this scatter gun approach to professionals each year. Some of them it's a mystery what they were ever thinking. |
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I'm not suprised Len got annoyed with him, he's unbearably arrogant. Not likeable at all, where the hell did they get him from? What happened to the Aussie bloke who danced with Pixie Lott? In fact I'm not overly keen on Gleb either, smug, smarmy and arrogant.
Even James Jordan is preferable over these two. Awful. The Aussie bloke, Trent was invited to return but as he wanted his wife to join the show and the producers didn't want her, he declined. His response to Len was not arrogant. Len was riled up and did not hear Trent properly. Many of the pros react to defend their partners. The marks do not distinguish between choreography and skill content and how it was danced. This is why Anton was falling on his sword; that's his way to try and protect his partner. I don't find Giovanni unlikeable. I wasn't keen on him to begin but slowly he's growing on me. Having said that I agreed with Len about the rumba. It was poor as a routine and did not reflect Georgia's abilities, or not. But I can't blame Giovanni for wanting to protect her, as with any other pro. As for James Jordan: I"d have Gleb and Giovanni time over in place of him. |
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I was pleased Len had a go at Giovanni and I think Giovanni took it with good grace. Giovanni is new to the show and he needs to learn how to fit in. I really like Georgia. She has a great attitude and I am a little concerned that Giovanni may be thinking a little bit too much about himself rather than improving Georgia's dance and showcasing her in the dance. So I hope Len's complaint wakes Giovanni up a little.
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I thought it seemed a bit ott for Len to tell giovanni off for just shaking his head. Plenty of pros have made disagreeing facial expressions or body language when listening to feedback and most of the time it's not an issue for judges. If Giovanni had started to verbalised or shown disagreement it in a fashion that seemed really unsporting and ungracious then I'd understand lens upset, but rather petty reaction, imo. Len got his say (which was fair in what he said) and Giovanni just showed some agreement, big deal.
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What happened to the Aussie bloke who danced with Pixie Lott?
In fact I'm not overly keen on Gleb either, smug, smarmy and arrogant. Even James Jordan is preferable over these two. Awful. Those sorts of "demands" never go well for the Pro's it seems. |
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I don't understand the hate. I like Giovanni.
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Well its a matter of opinion. Some celebs disagree and get their point across by way of sarcastic humour (Anton) or arguing back in an angry way (James and Brendan) and I remember a few others making points or disagreeing. Some may think shaking his head is more arrogant than speaking out, I don't see it that way....I think he was disagreeing in a quieter way, but each to their own opinion. IMO, Lens talking down to him was much MORE arrogant.
Whatever the opinions we have, it was really awkward though. It was obvious Giovanni was embarrased (possibly a bit ashamed?) and I felt bad. Seeing anyone spoken to like that in public (in this case on live TV to millions) is awkward for everyone. I hope Giovanni doesn't now suffer Trent's fate.
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I thought it seemed a bit ott for Len to tell giovanni off for just shaking his head. Plenty of pros have made disagreeing facial expressions or body language when listening to feedback and most of the time it's not an issue for judges. If Giovanni had started to verbalised or shown disagreement it in a fashion that seemed really unsporting and ungracious then I'd understand lens upset, but rather petty reaction, imo. Len got his say (which was fair in what he said) and Giovanni just showed some agreement, big deal.
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Think that Brendan, James and Aliona would disagree with you
![]() I don't think what Giovanni did was as notably arrogant as what say James and Brendan have been known to act. Giovanni even said sorry, which is something Brendan and James didn't do after their past moments, so the difference between Giovanni is he didn't have any real intention in the first place to make a statement, prob didn't realise it was that bad and so apologised. |
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I'm not suprised Len got annoyed with him, he's unbearably arrogant. Not likeable at all, where the hell did they get him from? What happened to the Aussie bloke who danced with Pixie Lott? In fact I'm not overly keen on Gleb either, smug, smarmy and arrogant.
Even James Jordan is preferable over these two. Awful. |
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I'm not keen on him either but Len was completely out of order there
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