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I miss Vincent.
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I'm not suprised Len got annoyed with him, he's unbearably arrogant. Not likeable at all, where the hell did they get him from? What happened to the Aussie bloke who danced with Pixie Lott? In fact I'm not overly keen on Gleb either, smug, smarmy and arrogant.
Even James Jordan is preferable over these two. Awful. |
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I was wondering who Len would go against this year, I thought it might be Gleb. I really like both the new guys Giovanni I find funny he only learned English a few months ago to take part in the show no wonder at times he looks bemused
I don't find him arrogant at all, I think the producers have given him the role of Italian Stallion and told him to act that part, I could be very wrong but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is gay .... not that it matters either way it's ridiculous some people are saying he wants to split Georgia and Sean up. I used to like Len but he has a horrible nasty streak and shouldn't be head judge.
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BBC needs to stop this scatter gun approach to professionals each year. Some of them it's a mystery what they were ever thinking.
They tried to mould him in the part of a vain Italian with the prettiest little girl in the series as the sexpot/rumor mill couple. The trouble is his English isn't extensive enough yet to pull off the act and there isn't enough chemistry there to spark anything more than an anonymous presence out of Georgia yet. Just think if they had partnered Georgia with Gleb. Oh my.
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Len's reaction was over the top, but Giovanni's face-pulling and eye rolling was rude, so I don't feel sorry for him. I wonder if Len's 'attack' was partly scripted? Maybe Georgia isn't doing well in the votes and they thought this might get them some sympathy? At least it means people are remembering she is actually in the show.
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100% agree. At the end of the day, the Pros will automatically want to defend their celebs, even if they know the judges are right. The pros are ultimately the ones that have to pick the celebs up when things get a bit negative. Yes, Giovanni could have just stood and smiled, but why should he? If the Judges can rip a celeb to pieces, there's no harm in a pro simply shaking their head if they don't feel the celeb is getting the credit they think they deserve.
Whatever the opinions we have, it was really awkward though. It was obvious Giovanni was embarrased (possibly a bit ashamed?) and I felt bad. Seeing anyone spoken to like that in public (in this case on live TV to millions) is awkward for everyone. I hope Giovanni doesn't now suffer Trent's fate. ![]() |
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I can't dislike someone I don't know but I think the producers are not serving him very well. He is positioned as a Primark Vincent and whilst I loved Vincent's dancing his persona on Strictly turned my stomach. Giovanni is being fed the same lines and encouraged to make the same facial impressions.
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Georgia danced well, but it wasn't a rumba. Giovanni just didn't put in enough of the correct steps. Hence the low marks. Georgia isn't the one at fault.
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Should have brought Trent back.
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I certainly didn't like him much on ITT.
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I watched it back and couldn't really see that much shaking the head from Giovanni so a bit of a odd outburst from Len. It seems that he has an agenda against Giovanni for some reason....
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Funny how this didn't bother Len ( or the other judges, for that matter ) when Peter Andre did a non-cha cha and a non-quickstep.
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I can't dislike someone I don't know but I think the producers are not serving him very well. He is positioned as a Primark Vincent and whilst I loved Vincent's dancing his persona on Strictly turned my stomach. Giovanni is being fed the same lines and encouraged to make the same facial impressions.
I'm letting Giovanni bed in and prove himself, I wish the producers would do the blimmin same! |
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Very good point. I think he may well be playing a part as asked by the producers. Anyway, I like him a lot and hope he remains with the show long term.
I can't stand Len I'm afraid. He hates it when the audience display their disagreement with his critique and yet he's the first to jump on Craig if he says something not to his liking. Would much rather see the back of him rather than Giovanni. |
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My thoughts exactly! I feel the producers are cashing in on him as Vincent's replacement. I often thought Len was harsh on Vincent, and lo and behold, he's harsh on Giovanni. !
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Len's reaction was uncalled for as the viewers could not see Giovanni's reaction to the critic. such a shame for all their hard work to be ignored on the night.
Len's outburst https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9gTN560dDg |
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I've watched back the moment Len chose to take Giovanni down a peg or three. As with Trent I think Len misinterpreted Giovanni. I feel really sorry for Giovanni and he seemed mortified. Georgia handled it well though. Good for her to take it on the chin and lighten things for Giovanni.
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I've watched back the moment Len chose to take Giovanni down a peg or three. As with Trent I think Len misinterpreted Giovanni. I feel really sorry for Giovanni and he seemed mortified. Georgia handled it well though. Good for her to take it on the chin and lighten things for Giovanni.
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I'm not suprised Len got annoyed with him, he's unbearably arrogant. Not likeable at all, where the hell did they get him from? What happened to the Aussie bloke who danced with Pixie Lott? In fact I'm not overly keen on Gleb either, smug, smarmy and arrogant.
Even James Jordan is preferable over these two. Awful. |
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Len's reaction was uncalled for as the viewers could not see Giovanni's reaction to the critic. such a shame for all their hard work to be ignored on the night.
Len's outburst https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9gTN560dDg Regardless, I feel sorry for Giovanni. If it's true that he's only recently learnt English, then he's obviously going to be more comfortable making gestures, rather than speaking. He's a new pro in a new country - and he gets barked at by a grumpy old Brit. Poor chap. |
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I'm not sure what some people have been watching to classify his reaction as rude. He shook his head but was smiling all along and when Len went off on one he looked genuinely a bit scared, put his hand on his chest, and muttered "sorry". They way some people portrayed the situation it was as though as the guy was spitting feathers and had to be restrained to not punch "poor" Len. Brendan and James have answered back in far worse ways than he did, not only to Len but to other judges too.
Unfortunately, some people don't like the Italian schtick, the whole ladies man thing and that is fine with me, but some of comments about him on this forum have been really nasty and to be honest I think they have more to do with his nationality than anything else. He's a good dancer and his routines for Georgia so far have been quite good. The rumba didn't have enough rumba steps, so what? Does it grant a reaction like Len's? I don't think so. Len's reaction didn't do him any favours, though. All over the internet, especially on Twitter, general consensus is that Len's a past his prime cretin who goes on a annual random rant, of which his previous victims have been, well, nearly every dancer on the show, some more than others. At least it the rudeness and grumpiness can't be blamed on jet lag anymore, this is who he really is. |
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Have yet to inform an opinion on Giovanni, but i have one of Len that has formed over many series of SD. I think he is a miserable, rude, arrogant, up-himself, know-it-all dinosaur! I tend to turn the TV down when he gives his opinion, as while he may be the most informed of the judges i find he likes the sound of his own voice and thinks far too much of himself for my liking. In fact i would be very happy if they got rid of Bruno, Darcy and Len and put some new blood into the judging panel - Craig i can take or leave at least he is honest and, after the mistake he made when he called someone out on the way they looked, far more circumspect now in his nastiness. Would be nice if maybe Karen Hardy and Ian Waite to name but a couple replaced the current judges who for me are one of the things that spoil the show - the other being Tess parroting everything the judges say!!!
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I'm not sure what some people have been watching to classify his reaction as rude. He shook his head but was smiling all along and when Len went off on one he looked genuinely a bit scared, put his hand on his chest, and muttered "sorry". They way some people portrayed the situation it was as though as the guy was spitting feathers and had to be restrained to not punch "poor" Len. Brendan and James have answered back in far worse ways than he did, not only to Len but to other judges too.
Unfortunately, some people don't like the Italian schtick, the whole ladies man thing and that is fine with me, but some of comments about him on this forum have been really nasty and to be honest I think they have more to do with his nationality than anything else. He's a good dancer and his routines for Georgia so far have been quite good. The rumba didn't have enough rumba steps, so what? Does it grant a reaction like Len's? I don't think so. Len's reaction didn't do him any favours, though. All over the internet, especially on Twitter, general consensus is that Len's a past his prime cretin who goes on a annual random rant, of which his previous victims have been, well, nearly every dancer on the show, some more than others. At least it the rudeness and grumpiness can't be blamed on jet lag anymore, this is who he really is. |
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Giovanni is no more arrogant than some others. James Jordan, Brendan Cole all had their moments. I get that Len is the senior judge and has many years experience but he has a nasty side. Apart from the professional dancers he gets very grumpy if the audience dare to boo any comments of his. He also doesn't really like modern interpretation of dances. His technical knowledge is not disputed but he's not quite the jokey, twinkley eyed gent he mostly portrays
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Agree. He's a new professional trying to make his mark and Len's attitude towards him came across as unnecessarily petty and agenda-laden.
I think it could have been said in a nicer way, but the point was right. Hopefully Giovanni takes it in the right way - look how far Aliona's come since she joined the show! I don't think being Vincent 2.0 suits Giovanni at all, and the sooner he stops trying the better. |
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I don't find him arrogant at all, I think the producers have given him the role of Italian Stallion and told him to act that part, I could be very wrong but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is gay .... not that it matters either way it's ridiculous some people are saying he wants to split Georgia and Sean up. I used to like Len but he has a horrible nasty streak and shouldn't be head judge.

