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Old 11-10-2015, 10:41
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I'm glad he's had previous training, it made him VERY good to watch. We need to have people who have a sense of rhythm and timing, and know how to move. It would be an incredibly boring programme with only spotty dog contestants.

Not that I'm watching much of it, but still.....
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:42
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Spot on, I wouldn't tune in to watch the likes of Ainsley/Jeremy/Kirsty. I always sky+ so I can cut out the needless prattle ...I just enjoy the dancing, I have watched Jay/Helen/Kellie/Anita's dances three time up to now, imo it was a great night for the best dancers.....
I totally agree with you. I hate all the waffle. Just let me see the dances and judges remarks.

Whilst I'm not against celebrities who have previous dance training taking part, I think they and the BBC should be upfront about it. It has been widely reported that Helen has had ballet training (and it's mentioned at every opportunity), why haven't the other celebs who have previous dance training; of whatever type; been open about it? When it does come out, as is inevitable, it just looks bad - after all if they had training in hip hop or tap it probably doesn't help their ballroom or latin, but it is relevant.
But as has been pointed out by Darcy, Helen's ballet training is counting against her because you need to adopt very different postures and usually very straight backs and legs for ballet. It's hard to overcome the muscle memory and dance differently.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:45
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natalie was an example of previous training, talent and ability not being the be all and end all of the show. she was the best dancer in her year, but people preferred the journey and the partnership of abbey clancey for their winner. as long as natalie was there at the final, i thought that was fine. likewise with jay, he's clearly finalist material, but that doesn't mean he'll win, and personally i want to see more depth and integrity to the presentation to match the level of technique as i find him competent but oddly disconnected.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:54
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There might well be many contestants who have had some degree of dance training but what is wrong that information being declared before the competition starts rather than it being the result of some sort of 'detective' work? If Jay's training was out there why did we almost immediately have a specific thread on Helen declaring her a 'ringer' but nothing about Jay?

With Jay it isn't just about the training. He is young, male and in a band. That is a pretty good starting point for any contestant even with no training. Add in Tess holding his hand and going out of her way to emphasise how nervous and shy he was (was he really the only one) and you pretty much have a load of pluses even before the judges start bigging him up and effectively hand him the trophy after three weeks.
Not sure I know how much more the BBC could have done to highlight his previous dance experience since a good 2/3rds of his bio on the site is about it
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:03
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I trained in dancing (mainly tap, but also ballet, jazz and modern) from when I was three till fifteen. I had to stop due to a knee injury, tried going back but my knee wasn't strong enough. If I went back now, ten years or so since I last did any training, the only thing it would help me with is that I know I can dance. I've never done ballroom or latin so I'd be a beginner like everyone else in that regard. I imagine the majority of the celebs who have had training are in the same boat, having trained in other styles and not for a good few years.
This!

Having contemporary dance training may well help with fitness, flexibility and the concept of moving to music, but it certainly is not ballroom dancing.

Anyway - why single out Jay when Kellie spent years at Sylvia Young and apparently even taught there and Georgia also has lots of dance experience?

Helen has done ballet and I see the knives are out for her as well even though the discipline and styling is miles away from ballroom and latin.

I believe the rules are that the celebs should not have done ballroom or latin before.

None of them have, so picking on individuals and starting to claim they are liars or ascribing unpleasant motivations to their every facial expression seems pretty pathetic.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:10
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I believe the rules are that the celebs should not have done ballroom or latin before.
I don't think there is any such 'rule' except in people's heads on here. Caroline had been taught both ballroom and latin for the previous tv series she did. According to the curriculum at the institution Jay studied dance at, he took classes in both for at least a year. I am pretty sure quite a few others have been in the same boat over the years even if to a lesser degree than those two.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:16
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Already raised this on a previous thread. An article in the Daily Mail confirmed that he was at a Drama & Dance School for several years. He is clearly desperate to win and he will but it kind of wrecks the programme when the final result is so obvious after just three weeks.
I dont think he comes across as clearly desperate to win, he seems a really nice lad and seems genuinely surprised when he scores so highly.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:21
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I dont think he comes across as clearly desperate to win, he seems a really nice lad and seems genuinely surprised when he scores so highly.
Agreed.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:24
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Whilst I'm not against celebrities who have previous dance training taking part, I think they and the BBC should be upfront about it. It has been widely reported that Helen has had ballet training (and it's mentioned at every opportunity), why haven't the other celebs who have previous dance training; of whatever type; been open about it? When it does come out, as is inevitable, it just looks bad - after all if they had training in hip hop or tap it probably doesn't help their ballroom or latin, but it is relevant.
They are open and upfront about it, it's all on the BBC website
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:28
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My favourite dances of the night were Jay and Jeremy. Both from different ends of the 'ringah' spectrum but both taking it and running with it and appearing to love it.
I agree

I loved both
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:35
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Shame Natalie Gumbede was given such a hard time.
Someone, anyone will get the Flack(ers) as sure as night follows day.

It's unbelievable the amount of "It's not right!!!" underwear fankling that goes on
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:35
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I dont think he comes across as clearly desperate to win, he seems a really nice lad and seems genuinely surprised when he scores so highly.
I thought this too - and let us not forget Kimberley Walsh, Denise van Outen, Jill Halfpenny, etc etc etc - just about every actor/actress who has appeared on Strictly has studied dance and movement in stage or drama school.

I think the difference is that Jay is genuinely talented and seems to be very modest. I would love him to win.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:39
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I agree

I loved both
Me too - loved them both. Both felt like 'real' performances despite the vast difference in technical ability. I guess I'm saying both made me feel the 'celeb' was in love with what he was doing.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:40
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I can't believe I fell for his I'm a little boy in a big boy's body routine.

He is certainly playing a blinder but still loving his last two dances.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:50
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Just read a tweet in DT live blog that Jay has has had previous dance training?
Is this allowed?
It was an incredible dance but surely unfair on other contestants.
Oh dear God, not this tedious nonsense again? The world is going to Hell in a handcart and this - this - is what gets trotted out every year. How can we make this clear? Strictly Come Dancing is a bit of fluff to keep us entertained.

It. Does.Not. Matter.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:55
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Shame Natalie Gumbede was given such a hard time.
Len took a dislike to her - like he has Georgia - and that was that. Grumpy old git.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:00
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Len took a dislike to her - like he has Georgia - and that was that. Grumpy old git.
Maybe he just doesn't like Coronation Street.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:11
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Oh dear God, not this tedious nonsense again? The world is going to Hell in a handcart and this - this - is what gets trotted out every year. How can we make this clear? Strictly Come Dancing is a bit of fluff to keep us entertained.

It. Does.Not. Matter.
Agreed. My thoughts exactly.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:16
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Hiya!! Long time no post! I hope all is well with you.
Jay's dance stirred me into action and where better to discuss.

I think they should indicate in some way when someone is already a professional dancer. Although I did love the dance.
Maybe he can be one of the pros next series.
Just because someone has studied a particular type of dance - in Jay's case I believe it was contemporary - that doesn't make them a professional dancer. Trained, if you like, but not professional.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:17
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Not to mention the gooing over Alijaz. Not much goo for Pasha this year though.
Ahem!

I will always give Pasha a good goo
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:19
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Well I have to admit to being disappointed to finding out here this morning he has a lot of previous training.

It explains a lot about those spins.


I know people watch for different reasons, but I watch for the evolution of the performers. From Zero to Hero!

I was excited last night watching Jay because I thought he was some dance savant - I totally believed that he was a shy boy who bumbled around in a medicore boyband and he turned up at Strictly and suddenly discovered this jawdropping undiscovered talent.

Now I'm realising it was quite a lot of canny work on the behalf of the BBC.

Feel a but duped, tbh. Thats not to take away from his talent, which is exquisite. But it does mean I look at his future dances with a bit more of a head-tilt.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:37
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Just read an article in the DM about how Katie 'honed her dance skills' in her school's synchronised swimming team in 1988 - I think this has to be their most bizarre attempt yet to stir up 'ringer outrage'
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:42
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Just read an article in the DM about how Katie 'honed her dance skills' in her school's synchronised swimming team in 1988 - I think this has to be their most bizarre attempt yet to stir up 'ringer outrage'
How unfair!! Ringer alert!! Ridiculous but what else do we expect from the DM.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:42
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Just read an article in the DM about how Katie 'honed her dance skills' in her school's synchronised swimming team in 1988 - I think this has to be their most bizarre attempt yet to stir up 'ringer outrage'
I look forward to her charleston performed upside down underwater.

*but where is the swivel? The SWIVEL Katie! Oh buggah, you've lost your noseclip. PARAMEDICS OVER HERE PLEASE!*
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:51
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Oh dear God, not this tedious nonsense again? The world is going to Hell in a handcart and this - this - is what gets trotted out every year. How can we make this clear? Strictly Come Dancing is a bit of fluff to keep us entertained.

It. Does.Not. Matte
r.
Exactly . Entertainment and time to shut off the world .Thank God for dancers like Jay to make me stand up and clap
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