Claire Sweeney was the first way back in Series 1. I think Bruno's first judging comment to her was something along the lines of "I thought you'd be better than that, weren't you in Chicago?"
Jay - previous dance training
16 of 26
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Not really
unless it was Strictly Come Boxing and they were paired with a boxer partner.
At this stage of the competition, the bottom of the leader board isn't competing with the top. It's competing with the bottom/bottom middle. More people must have voted for Carole and Pasha - and Katie and Anton for Natalie and Ainsley. They are the ones he should have an issue with not the ones at the top.”
“Not really
unless it was Strictly Come Boxing and they were paired with a boxer partner.At this stage of the competition, the bottom of the leader board isn't competing with the top. It's competing with the bottom/bottom middle. More people must have voted for Carole and Pasha - and Katie and Anton for Natalie and Ainsley. They are the ones he should have an issue with not the ones at the top.”
I agree. He has just picked out the ones that we all know have had previous experience. As many have said, would we watch Strictly if it was made up of rank amateurs who couldn't dance and probably wouldn't reach much of a standard. Dancing on Ice was the same. These people must know the score before the sign up and, if they don't want to compete against people with experience, then they should decline. I imagine they get paid a fair amount for doing it.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Claire Sweeney was the first way back in Series 1. I think Bruno's first judging comment to her was something along the lines of "I thought you'd be better than that, weren't you in Chicago?"”
“Claire Sweeney was the first way back in Series 1. I think Bruno's first judging comment to her was something along the lines of "I thought you'd be better than that, weren't you in Chicago?"”
Ah yes, of course you're right - for some reason I have always such a blank about her on the show.
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Most of those who go in as actors/actresses/even singers like Jamelia will probably have had some previous training of some sort as they usually start in stage schools which teach them dancing along with acting etc. We've had loads of previous contestants who have had training i.e. Denise Van Outen but you have to have some decent dancers otherwise if they all started on zero it would take us 10 years to get to the final and we'd have all died of boredom.
It's when they're not honest about it that I get annoyed. If they pretend they're beginners when we find out they've lied I go right off them.”
“Most of those who go in as actors/actresses/even singers like Jamelia will probably have had some previous training of some sort as they usually start in stage schools which teach them dancing along with acting etc. We've had loads of previous contestants who have had training i.e. Denise Van Outen but you have to have some decent dancers otherwise if they all started on zero it would take us 10 years to get to the final and we'd have all died of boredom.
It's when they're not honest about it that I get annoyed. If they pretend they're beginners when we find out they've lied I go right off them.”
Perhaps they should only have contestants with experience than all the contestants are ringers or else they should adjust the marking. IMO opinion, Anthony had no experience and to even come as far as he did along with an injured arm was OK.
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“Ah yes, of course you're right - for some reason I have always such a blank about her on the show.”
“Ah yes, of course you're right - for some reason I have always such a blank about her on the show.”
Nobody remembers anything about Series 1 other than that Brendan & Natasha were shagging and Chris Parker ran round waving a teatowel over his head pretending to be Batman and called it a paso, you're fine.
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“Perhaps they should only have contestants with experience than all the contestants are ringers or else they should adjust the marking. IMO opinion, Anthony had no experience and to even come as far as he did along with an injured arm was OK.”
“Perhaps they should only have contestants with experience than all the contestants are ringers or else they should adjust the marking. IMO opinion, Anthony had no experience and to even come as far as he did along with an injured arm was OK.”
I've sometimes pondered whether the early weeks should be for beginners, do some eliminations and the best of those compete against the more accomplished introduced about a third of the way through.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“I've sometimes pondered whether the early weeks should be for beginners, do some eliminations and the best of those compete against the more accomplished introduced about a third of the way through.”
“I've sometimes pondered whether the early weeks should be for beginners, do some eliminations and the best of those compete against the more accomplished introduced about a third of the way through.”
I agree with you. It must be horrible to take part in a competition knowing that there are people who have experience. Sometimes it only comes out when the contestants have been chose. Personally I wouldn't want to participate knowing I stood no chance against someone who had 6 years training. That's why I think people should be marked accordingly by the judges. Giving Jay a 10 was ridiculous.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“I've sometimes pondered whether the early weeks should be for beginners, do some eliminations and the best of those compete against the more accomplished introduced about a third of the way through.”
“I've sometimes pondered whether the early weeks should be for beginners, do some eliminations and the best of those compete against the more accomplished introduced about a third of the way through.”
But that's what happens anyway. The leaderboard effectively puts them into 2 divisions. There is no way - at this stage - that the top/top-middle are in danger of elimination. By the time they do become vulnerable the bottom 4 or 5 have exited and the less able/beginners have upwards of 3 months training under their belts.
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I agree with you. It must be horrible to take part in a competition knowing that there are people who have experience. Sometimes it only comes out when the contestants have been chose. Personally I wouldn't want to participate knowing I stood no chance against someone who had 6 years training. That's why I think people should be marked accordingly by the judges. Giving Jay a 10 was ridiculous.”
“I agree with you. It must be horrible to take part in a competition knowing that there are people who have experience. Sometimes it only comes out when the contestants have been chose. Personally I wouldn't want to participate knowing I stood no chance against someone who had 6 years training. That's why I think people should be marked accordingly by the judges. Giving Jay a 10 was ridiculous.”
The flaw in your argument is that the ringer doesn't always win. Darren Gough, Mark Ramprakash, Harry Judd & mostly Chris Hollins all won against more experienced dancers.
People participate in a show like this for all sorts of reasons and often it has nothing to do with winning. You would miss out on so many experiences that life has to offer you if you only enter something or do something if you can win it.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“But that's what happens anyway. The leaderboard effectively puts them into 2 divisions. There is no way - at this stage - that the top/top-middle are in danger of elimination. By the time they do become vulnerable the bottom 4 or 5 have exited and the less able/beginners have upwards of 3 months training under their belts.”
“But that's what happens anyway. The leaderboard effectively puts them into 2 divisions. There is no way - at this stage - that the top/top-middle are in danger of elimination. By the time they do become vulnerable the bottom 4 or 5 have exited and the less able/beginners have upwards of 3 months training under their belts.”
I see that, but perhaps If instead there was a separate round beforehand, before the better contestants join in...also then only the best of the worst as it were, are pitched against the good ones.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“The flaw in your argument is that the ringer doesn't always win. Darren Gough, Mark Ramprakash, Harry Judd & mostly Chris Hollins all won against more experienced dancers.
People participate in a show like this for all sorts of reasons and often it has nothing to do with winning. You would miss out on so many experiences that life has to offer you if you only enter something or do something if you can win it.”
“The flaw in your argument is that the ringer doesn't always win. Darren Gough, Mark Ramprakash, Harry Judd & mostly Chris Hollins all won against more experienced dancers.
People participate in a show like this for all sorts of reasons and often it has nothing to do with winning. You would miss out on so many experiences that life has to offer you if you only enter something or do something if you can win it.”
That might be so. But Caroline won last year and she had heaps of experience which she kept very quite about. I thought Harry Judd had experience but I could be wrong.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“I see that, but perhaps If instead there was a separate round beforehand, before the better contestants join in...also then only the best of the worst as it were, are pitched against the good ones.”
“I see that, but perhaps If instead there was a separate round beforehand, before the better contestants join in...also then only the best of the worst as it were, are pitched against the good ones.”
Which is what happens from about Blackpool.
At the minute it's what effectively happens anyway - we just get to see the more able dancers at the same time.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Which is what happens from about Blackpool.
At the minute it's what effectively happens anyway - we just get to see the more able dancers at the same time.”
“Which is what happens from about Blackpool.
At the minute it's what effectively happens anyway - we just get to see the more able dancers at the same time.”
Thank heavens, because I'm not watching a 2 hour show filled with Caroles, Ainslies, Dom Littlewoods, Quentin Wilsons and Paul Daniels. Flipping heck, we'd all need a proper lie down in a darkened room after tedium of that
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Which is what happens from about Blackpool.
At the minute it's what effectively happens anyway - we just get to see the more able dancers at the same time.”
“Which is what happens from about Blackpool.
At the minute it's what effectively happens anyway - we just get to see the more able dancers at the same time.”
I have no problem with how it works now myself, just thinking aloud how would you do it if you wanted to address that issue of not pitching all the less able into the full comp.
Originally Posted by MayD:
“I wonder if James would've given a little less of a s**t if he'd been Ola's partner?”
“I wonder if James would've given a little less of a s**t if he'd been Ola's partner?”
James Jordan didn't have any issue with Denise Van Outen being a trained dancer when she was his celeb partner
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Nobody remembers anything about Series 1 other than that Brendan & Natasha were shagging and Chris Parker ran round waving a teatowel over his head pretending to be Batman and called it a paso, you're fine.”
“Nobody remembers anything about Series 1 other than that Brendan & Natasha were shagging and Chris Parker ran round waving a teatowel over his head pretending to be Batman and called it a paso, you're fine.”
Hey I remember Lesley Garrett bursting into song nearly every week as well
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Hey I remember Lesley Garrett bursting into song nearly every week as well”
“Hey I remember Lesley Garrett bursting into song nearly every week as well
”
Wasn't there a showmance between Erin & Martin Offiah? I only saw bits and pieces of that series and can remember a magazine cover saying as much, but could be wrong.
I can remember Natasha siding across the floor in the Showdance, and ending up with great holes in her tights.
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“Wasn't there a showmance between Erin & Martin Offiah? I only saw bits and pieces of that series and can remember a magazine cover saying as much, but could be wrong.”
“Wasn't there a showmance between Erin & Martin Offiah? I only saw bits and pieces of that series and can remember a magazine cover saying as much, but could be wrong.”
Ah yes, they were spotted having a picnic or something in Hyde Park I seem to recall now you mention it
Originally Posted by Hotgossip:
“I've been out with a friend tonight and she was raving about how Jay did so brilliantly last night and we're only on week 3. I felt I had to tell her about his years of dance training and she was absolutely gutted. As you say, it's not humanly possible for someone to progress that quickly.”
“I've been out with a friend tonight and she was raving about how Jay did so brilliantly last night and we're only on week 3. I felt I had to tell her about his years of dance training and she was absolutely gutted. As you say, it's not humanly possible for someone to progress that quickly.”
Re BiB - Why?
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“And you understand...stop being a know it all...your embarrassing yourself.”
“And you understand...stop being a know it all...your embarrassing yourself.”
Truly, I am so embarrassed right now
Originally Posted by Hotgossip:
“I've been out with a friend tonight and she was raving about how Jay did so brilliantly last night and we're only on week 3. I felt I had to tell her about his years of dance training and she was absolutely gutted. As you say, it's not humanly possible for someone to progress that quickly.”
“I've been out with a friend tonight and she was raving about how Jay did so brilliantly last night and we're only on week 3. I felt I had to tell her about his years of dance training and she was absolutely gutted. As you say, it's not humanly possible for someone to progress that quickly.”
Says more about your friend than it does about Jay.
He's good. Being good adds to the enjoyment of a dancing programme. She should be pleased rather than disappointed imho.
And I can't believe we are now on 16 pages about this. Hayzoos
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Thank heavens, because I'm not watching a 2 hour show filled with Caroles, Ainslies, Dom Littlewoods, Quentin Wilsons and Paul Daniels. Flipping heck, we'd all need a proper lie down in a darkened room after tedium of that”
“Thank heavens, because I'm not watching a 2 hour show filled with Caroles, Ainslies, Dom Littlewoods, Quentin Wilsons and Paul Daniels. Flipping heck, we'd all need a proper lie down in a darkened room after tedium of that
”
I don't mean have another full comp or even one long show. They could get some beginners trained up and compete as a one off for the chance to enter the main comp, do an hour or less on screen with just a few couples, maybe an ITT or two as they train, let the judges/audience pick one or two to enter the main comp. it would be about a third of the way through training for the other couples by that time.
I know it sounds a bit fanciful but it was just an idea I had in regards to the debate about mixed abilities on the show.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“I don't think he singled out Jay, it's just the papers framed it this way for maximum clickbait potential”
“I don't think he singled out Jay, it's just the papers framed it this way for maximum clickbait potential”
God .. I hope he hasn't said those things or I'll feel I threw away a vote also. Won't make that mistake again and won't assume Jay's safe either. A brilliant dance should be rewarded with votes.
Originally Posted by washboard:
“Re BiB - Why?”
“Re BiB - Why?”
because she was going on about what marvellous progress he had made in three weeks compared to other people etc etc.
16 of 26
