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........and who thinks Peter's dance this evening was worth 9s
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Some poster have been saying Jay's had 6 years of dance training but in The Wanted's autobiography it says that Jay went to Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance as an after school club and then he went onto do dance at college for 3 years after finishing secondary school so he hasn't had 6 years of training, although I do think that the judges should mention the training he's had as they have mentioned Helen's multiple times.
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Yes he is a trained contemporary dancer.
Jay attended Newark's Charlotte Hamilton School of Dance and the prestigious Midlands Academy of Dance and Drama in Nottingham. As of June 2015 Jay has been in the studio with Shytown Music and has been brushing up on his dancing skills ![]() If he had gone to Rambert or Laban I'd take it seriously but Musical Theatre? Oh gimme a break! ![]() ![]()
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Thanks for that extra information. I didn't know what level the dance classes he went to were, or how frequently he attended in the 6 years.
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Here's a radical thought
Get a dozen or so slebs with a bit of dance training behind them Pull the names out of the hat for pro partners Do away with the judges and just let the public decide You get good dancing and none of the Anne Widdcombe/John Sargeant/Judy Murray/Russell Grant/etc (bless 'em) duffers What does that give you? ............. No whingeing about ringers We see competent dancing The best* dancers win (*probably aka most popular) Would that be better than what we have now? IMO, probably Am I being serious? Ish Add in some disabled people and you could call it Dancing with the Stars? |
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My favourite dances of the night were Jay and Jeremy. Both from different ends of the 'ringah' spectrum but both taking it and running with it and appearing to love it.
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Erm .. neither of which teach contemporary dance on a formal basis. They are stage schools. Hamilton's has courses in cheer-leading for heaven's sake!
![]() If he had gone to Rambert or Laban I'd take it seriously but Musical Theatre? Oh gimme a break! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I'm not sure Rambert would teach any ballroom or Latin; you take classes in both for the 2nd year of the Musical Theatre diploma at Nottingham. It's not going to make you a Ballroom champion but it is a significant advantage on Strictly.
But we do the same classes. So within the same dance school/ musical theatre course etc. there will be really good dancers and less good dancers. The best person in Nottingham may be better than the worst person at Laban. I don't think you can judge based on the school...... |
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Erm .. neither of which teach contemporary dance on a formal basis. They are stage schools. Hamilton's has courses in cheer-leading for heaven's sake!
![]() If he had gone to Rambert or Laban I'd take it seriously but Musical Theatre? Oh gimme a break! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Anyone with dance training formally shouldn't be allowed
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Anyone with dance training formally shouldn't be allowed
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I'm not sure Rambert would teach any ballroom or Latin; you take classes in both for the 2nd year of the Musical Theatre diploma at Nottingham. It's not going to make you a Ballroom champion but it is a significant advantage on Strictly.
I really do not see your point at all. Ballroom? Que? Who was talking about ballroom? Certainly not me. I was referring to this mad claim that Jay is a trained contemporary dancer - which is utter rubbish. If he was he'd have gone to somewhere decent like or Laban or Rambert and THAT was my point. Musical theatre teaches students a smattering of stage and tap to get by. They are NOT dance schools. As for ballroom - well there is a positive rash of those in places like Penge but I was referring to proper dance training. |
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Anyone with dance training formally shouldn't be allowed
That would mean 80% of those who take part in SCD would be banned! Where do you think most of those soap operas get their Z-list cast of 'actors'.? Yep, stage schools. And all stage schools teach dance - as in stage dance. |
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Anyone with dance training formally shouldn't be allowed
No one can agree on what 'formal dance training' means though. That is the problem. People who have done any form of dance classes at any level or any age can probably spot and do a few turns and spins in a row, but it doesn't mean that they have done ballroom or latin before.... |
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I actually don't care, just like I don't care that Helen has had dance training.
I think it helps when they have had some training. Makes it more entertaining to watch. Who wants to watch complete novices stumping around all night? |
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Have you seen the YouTube link floating around the forum? His training looked extensive and at a very high level. There were even some partnered dancing routines. I honestly don't know how people are pooh-poohing his experience.
Not difficult at all. Mind you I do know what I am looking at. To an untrained eye they might look impressive, but in actual fact they're all pretty basic. |
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No one can agree on what 'formal dance training' means though. That is the problem.
People who have done any form of dance classes at any level or any age can probably spot and do a few turns and spins in a row, but it doesn't mean that they have done ballroom or latin before.... |
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Already raised this on a previous thread. An article in the Daily Mail confirmed that he was at a Drama & Dance School for several years. He is clearly desperate to win and he will but it kind of wrecks the programme when the final result is so obvious after just three weeks.
I have no problems with any actor or musician taking part - but it is hardly a level playing field. The TRUE amateurs are at the bottom half of the board - those who studied dance at some level are in the top half.But the viewers are fickle. Many actors have fallen by the wayside in the final stages - Pixie Lot, Denise Van Outen etc - in favour of someone who is perceived to have had a (sorry!) "journey". |
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Yes, I've seen them. High level? Are you kidding? They are stage school productions with really basic choreography in a form we call 'commercial dance' which is a hybrid of hop hop, stage and street.
Not difficult at all. Mind you I do know what I am looking at. To an untrained eye they might look impressive, but in actual fact they're all pretty basic. Yes, I believe in comparison to what is done at stage schools, the dancing shown in that video is quite high level and polished. It certainly would be easy for anyone with that sort of training to get 10s on Strictly transferring those skills to the ballroom. |
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No one can agree on what 'formal dance training' means though. That is the problem.
People who have done any form of dance classes at any level or any age can probably spot and do a few turns and spins in a row, but it doesn't mean that they have done ballroom or latin before.... Most people don't know what it is. They think any kind of dance is training and it isn't. For those of us who have actually trained for years, that kind of view is just daft. I'd say if you haven't put in at least 8 years of training and daily classes at a recognised school/s, plus one to one work and follow on work, you are not trained. Street dance is different, but good dancers train every day religiously and combine dance with body work and hours of practice. |
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I suppose it detracts from those 'Boy-Bands-Who-Play-Instruments' when their **stage** background becomes known.
I have no problems with any actor or musician taking part - but it is hardly a level playing field. The TRUE amateurs are at the bottom half of the board - those who studied dance at some level are in the top half.But the viewers are fickle. Many actors have fallen by the wayside in the final stages - Pixie Lot, Denise Van Outen etc - in favour of someone who is perceived to have had a (sorry!) "journey". |
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I actually don't care, just like I don't care that Helen has had dance training. I think it helps when they have had some training. Makes it more entertaining to watch. Who wants to watch complete novices stumping around all night?
TBH, I genuinely can't understand the attraction or appeal of the alternative. |
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Hello, can you hear us from up there?
Yes, I believe in comparison to what is done at stage schools, the dancing shown in that video is quite high level and polished. It certainly would be easy for anyone with that sort of training to get 10s on Strictly transferring those skills to the ballroom. At least I do know what I am talking about, but you are - of course - entitled to your view. |
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Not to me, and I am a trained dancer. Feel free to disagree. I am not bothered.
At least I do know what I am talking about, but you are - of course - entitled to your view. |
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I have no problems with any actor or musician taking part - but it is hardly a level playing field. The TRUE amateurs are at the bottom half of the board - those who studied dance at some level are in the top half.