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Jay - beware of Len's casting vote
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babyboomer10
11-10-2015
When the numbers get down to single figures there is always a shock exit due to 2 top dancers being in the dance off because everyone thinks they are safe. Then comes the Len spoiler. Remember Gabby Logan - never in a million years did Penny Lancaster dance better than Gabby but for reasons known only to Len, Gabby was out & Penny + Hubby Rod were in. Last year Pixie Lott -Len's lens must have been clouded over when he booted her out of the show.

Look back over the years and it is obvious from many comments and markings that Len dislikes Aliona so if Jay is unfortunate enough to get in a dance off down the line, just hope Craig, Darcy & Bruno vote for Jay.
guiser
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“.................Remember Gabby Logan - never in a million years did Penny Lancaster dance better than Gabby but for reasons known only to Len, Gabby was out & Penny + Hubby Rod were in.”

The reason wasn't only known to Len and you've alluded to it here.
Rod Stewart is a Friend of Forsyth and his wife could never have been 'let go' while Bruce still had some clout and the show benefited from some kind of assumed kudos from Stewart's hanging around.
Monkseal
11-10-2015
The idea that Len "hates Aliona" is one of the more bizarre forum myths.
hannah
11-10-2015
Jay wouldnt be send off even if he was in the bottom unless he has a really bad dance I cant see him being in the bottom 2
Anne_Cameron
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by guiser:
“The reason wasn't only known to Len and you've alluded to it here.
Rod Stewart is a Friend of Forsyth and his wife could never have been 'let go' while Bruce still had some clout and the show benefited from some kind of assumed kudos from Stewart's hanging around.”

I don't doubt what you are saying but come on, voting someone off because the alternative candidate has a high profile husband!

I always thought that Gabby Logan thought she was better than she actually was and she wasn't popular with the voting public either, so would have gone the following week probably.
BMLisa
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“The idea that Len "hates Aliona" is one of the more bizarre forum myths.”

Yes. I'm sure he's praised her choreography before.
j4Rose
11-10-2015
Jay will never be in the bottom two.
BeeBumble
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“When the numbers get down to single figures there is always a shock exit due to 2 top dancers being in the dance off because everyone thinks they are safe. Then comes the Len spoiler. Remember Gabby Logan - never in a million years did Penny Lancaster dance better than Gabby but for reasons known only to Len, Gabby was out & Penny + Hubby Rod were in. Last year Pixie Lott -Len's lens must have been clouded over when he booted her out of the show.

Look back over the years and it is obvious from many comments and markings that Len dislikes Aliona so if Jay is unfortunate enough to get in a dance off down the line, just hope Craig, Darcy & Bruno vote for Jay.”

Or you know Simon was better in the dance off.
fredster
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“The idea that Len "hates Aliona" is one of the more bizarre forum myths.”

I seem to remember on Zoe's programme Aliona said something like "I don't listen to what the judges say".
On the next strictly show Len refused to pass any comment on Aliona's dancing. Not sure if that included her partner.
Monkseal
11-10-2015
a) It was a joke, on both their parts. A bit of a needley joke, but a joke
b) That was four years ago
c) If Len "hated" every dancer who he ever had a single spat with enough to throw them out automatically in a dance-off, then nobody would win any dance-off and we'd have nothing but double eliminations and the show would be over by Bonfire Night. He used to crack off on Brendan on a week by week basis.
donna255
11-10-2015
Len had more of a problem with the pros farting around and not getting into hold sooner, also illegal lifts.

He has had more arguing with Brendan through the years over this sort of thing.
amelia_lee
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“When the numbers get down to single figures there is always a shock exit due to 2 top dancers being in the dance off because everyone thinks they are safe. Then comes the Len spoiler. Remember Gabby Logan - never in a million years did Penny Lancaster dance better than Gabby but for reasons known only to Len, Gabby was out & Penny + Hubby Rod were in. Last year Pixie Lott -Len's lens must have been clouded over when he booted her out of the show.

Look back over the years and it is obvious from many comments and markings that Len dislikes Aliona so if Jay is unfortunate enough to get in a dance off down the line, just hope Craig, Darcy & Bruno vote for Jay.”

On the dance off dance alone, which js what they are sipposed to judge on, Simon was better then Pixie, so if I were LenI would have boted Simon tol.

Let us not forget, to make Lens deciding vote count at least one of the judges has to vote i agreement with him too.
Ray_Burn
11-10-2015
It's ok because this year Len's enemy is Giovanni. Jay and Aliona are safe.
holly berry
11-10-2015
I can't see Jay and Aliona losing in any dance off that isn't fixed
valeriya1
11-10-2015
watch out for fake goodman being nice after his shambolic opinions last night how is he senior judge it should be craig he is still involved unlike goodman
babyboomer10
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“On the dance off dance alone, which js what they are sipposed to judge on, Simon was better then Pixie, so if I were LenI would have boted Simon tol.

Let us not forget, to make Lens deciding vote count at least one of the judges has to vote i agreement with him too.”

Well Craig & Bruno disagreed with you & Darcy showed her bias for the male of the species throughout the series by wafting her hand around in a 'need to cool down' movement every time Simon danced.

Craig may outspoken and point out faults to the nth degree but apart from generally undersoring everyone, he is honest and a good judge of performance so I am firmly in his and the Pixie was robbed camp.

Rather than Len getting 2 votes, in the event of a tie in the dance off it would be better if the winner was decided by the higher finish in the original marking or the higher finish in the public vote, then there couldn;t be any appearance of personal bias, whether it exists or not.
Mystical123
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“Well Craig & Bruno disagreed with you & Darcy showed her bias for the male of the species throughout the series by wafting her hand around in a 'need to cool down' movement every time Simon danced.

Craig may outspoken and point out faults to the nth degree but apart from generally undersoring everyone, he is honest and a good judge of performance so I am firmly in his and the Pixie was robbed camp.

Rather than Len getting 2 votes, in the event of a tie in the dance off it would be better if the winner was decided by the higher finish in the original marking or the higher finish in the public vote, then there couldn;t be any appearance of personal bias, whether it exists or not.”

Gosh I know Pixie fans were bitter about her elimination, but it was a year ago, the conspiracy theories got tiresome back then let alone now.

Just because Craig and Bruno decided she was better doesn't make it a fact. Plenty of people thought Simon was better, Len was one of them, Darcey was another. Simple.
amelia_lee
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“Well Craig & Bruno disagreed with you & Darcy showed her bias for the male of the species throughout the series by wafting her hand around in a 'need to cool down' movement every time Simon danced.

Craig may outspoken and point out faults to the nth degree but apart from generally undersoring everyone, he is honest and a good judge of performance so I am firmly in his and the Pixie was robbed camp.

Rather than Len getting 2 votes, in the event of a tie in the dance off it would be better if the winner was decided by the higher finish in the original marking or the higher finish in the public vote, then there couldn;t be any appearance of personal bias, whether it exists or not.”

Yes, but even Craig admitted that dance was poor.
When he voted Pixie he voted for her as a dancer as a whole, not that performance, which isn't what you are supposed to do when judging that dance.
Len did what was fair and right.

I also do not think Pixie, as much as I thought she was good, could have done a performance better then Simon did on the finals night, though this is just presumption on my part.
Hound of Love
11-10-2015
Well said, Mystical123!
john176bramley
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by donna255:
“Len had more of a problem with the pros farting.”

Quite.
Cherrybomber
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“When the numbers get down to single figures there is always a shock exit due to 2 top dancers being in the dance off because everyone thinks they are safe. Then comes the Len spoiler. Remember Gabby Logan - never in a million years did Penny Lancaster dance better than Gabby but for reasons known only to Len, Gabby was out & Penny + Hubby Rod were in. Last year Pixie Lott -Len's lens must have been clouded over when he booted her out of the show.

Look back over the years and it is obvious from many comments and markings that Len dislikes Aliona so if Jay is unfortunate enough to get in a dance off down the line, just hope Craig, Darcy & Bruno vote for Jay.”

But on both of those dance offs I thought Lens decision was correct.
So. I'm going to say I think you're judgement is off here.
DeltaBlues
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by babyboomer10:
“Craig may outspoken and point out faults to the nth degree but apart from generally undersoring everyone, he is honest and a good judge of performance so I am firmly in his and the Pixie was robbed camp.”

Two words.

Lisa Riley.
*Liya*
11-10-2015
I think Georgia is in danger if it came down to Len's vote. I do think he'd keep Jeremy/Kirsty/Ainsley if they managed to do a decent dance opposite her and there wasn't any more than 2-4 points between them.
Ellie_
11-10-2015
Leaving Pixie conspiracy theories aside... Len likes most of all to see an attempt at good technique. Jay will be just fine if he carries on the way he is.
Georgiecats
11-10-2015
The only person who needs to be worried about Len's casting vote is Giovanni (and his partner Georgia though it's not her fault) as now Len has taken a disliking to him he'll bear that grudge for a long time. The outspoken professionals are either now quiet (Brendan) or off the show (James Jordan).
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