It's not wacky at all, nor is Troughton playing the recorder, Davison playing the harp and McCoy playing the spoons.

Hartnell pretending to play the lyre in "The Romans", now that is wacky, but in a good way.

Sorry but I miss the sonic screwdriver - there are some things you just shouldn't mess with. IMO Capaldi (or the writing?) plays it just too "earnest" and "up his own arse" for my liking.

I sought of seeing where you're going with you point, but I don't see it. Maybe for me they were masked considerably well because of the more noticeable changes in character and performance from Tom Baker as well. I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right by any means but I guess I'm seeing it from a different angle from you.

For me, what you're saying probably works more for me with Jon Pertwee. Putting aside Season 7 where he was more arrogant and bolshy, I would say Pertwee remained practically the same from Season 8-11, barring odd stories like The Green Death where he was allowed more humour.

As for Capaldi, I agree that when he has a good script, he is really good. I enjoyed the opening two episodes and thought he fab in that. I also enjoyed the last two episodes of the last series in that regard too. Is it coincidence that Moffat wrote both these stories and is the only one who seems to know how to write for him properly?

Well that's okay, everyone sees these things differently. I naturally disagree with your conclusions but it would be a pretty boring forum if it was full of people agreeing with each other. Wheres the fun in that

JCR posted this in another thread and if the Radio Times are even saying Clara has become the doctor.

https://www.facebook.com/doctorwhoma...type=3&theater

Its coming back to the posts about how at the moment PC's doctor really isn't coming across as the main character. Clara or whoever is the Female guest for the episode is.
it still points to writers who don't know what PC's doctor should be about, And if a writer cant bring out the best in an Actor say no more.

Its also interesting seeing this comment

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-...imes-disagree/

Maybe not the best time to have "creative" disagreements because if he feels like that say no more why viewers are also picking up on it.

That's been the case since 1988. The story of the final two series of Classic Who were about Ace more than the 7th Doctor. That was her story. The first New Who story was called "Rose" and it became her story. Then Martha, Donna, Amy and now Clara. There's an argument that the original Tardis Team was really the story of Ian and Barbara rather than the Doctor. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't work well, to me at least, when the writer makes the companion as important as the Doctor. in the context of the story. Exactly what skills does Clara bring that makes a top secret military unit treat her like the Doctor? Some experience with aliens? UNIT already have that. The writers treat Clara as a Doctor-Lite and it doesn't feel right to me.

But is that Capaldi's fault? Personally I don't think so.

Comming back to what I said earlier, I dont think Capaldi is a bad Doctor really after watching his performance in The Zygon Inversion I think its a case of joining at the wrong time and Moffat not giving us more of that Doctor we love and his Plots are so overcimplicated. and overworked that I think Capaldik would've worked better with a new showrunner, new arc, and early spring airing at like 6-7 in some Big Saturday lineup. Im seeing now Capaldi is trying his best to work against the horrible stories bringing him down but I think he should've joined with a new showrunner. Capaldi in The Zygon Inversion was so funny but serious and mad during that speech and some scenes scattered throughout Series 9 you see thats The Doctor Capaldi is but the problem is it isn't consistant, Capaldi is a great Doctor he can act it but not much he can do when his stories are being written to make him beg us to dislike him, Capaldi reminds me a bit of nine, sure you don't love him at first like with Tennant but there was something else there I could sensemwith Nine that Im beginning to See Capaldi can bring and that is charm and personality nine had that magnificent Northen accent, leather jacket and awesome retorts, and Twelve has a magnificent Scottish accent, Sarcastic sometimes rude humor and you just wanna hug him twelve is broken but you just love him. This is what the scripts struggle to get through rewarching and watching recent episodes its not Capaldi thats the problem its the writers.

Im seeing The Doctor that Im confident Capaldi wants to be but the writers are twisting it Capaldis doctor is supposed To have a nice scottish accent with a bit of banter, hes mad sometimes, crazy, in love with himself and his blue box,, he struggles to socialise normally and has a nice sarcastic and sometimes funny and rude bit of banter with people, he also hates hugs but overtime you'll warm to him. But the scripts aren't getting this through at first I thought it was Capaldi and he should go but rewatching his key moments in some episodes hes a magnificent actor its his stories!

Although he somehow manages to stay posotive even when his bloody Doctor could've been so much more and been written to acommodate those attributes and make him, great.

Aniother thing is they need to undertone a bit of the other characters to make him shine more dont eradicate them completely since their stories are our way into the TARDIS but there discovery and interactions with The Doctor and watching The Doctor deduct is what should be taken into account when writing.

Soo, ironically most who post here dont think hes a "awful doctor" LOL

At first I did but that was when I had my Tinted goggles on now Im correcting what I said. Just because Im not spewing negativity about him and agreeing that hes an awful doctor now dosen't make me non-eligible to post.

I've been saying all along that the title of the thread should be changed.
It's not Capaldi. He can only do what he's given.

Yep. And its such an obnoxious title as well.

He was doing interesting work with the character last series,something different and creative,challenging, but the scripts failed him this series and the character reverted to Matt Smith doctor instead of forging his own identity.
Zygon Inversion sounds different though. Ill have to watch the repeat on Friday because I missed it.

Unless its back they have Axed the Friday repeats the last couple of weeks.
(the ratings were horrendous). on BBC3