The audience better get used to it. They eventually do anyway.
Each Doctor is 'designed' to be and have been very different from their previous incarnation. That's the nature of regeneration.
Pertwee's was a lot straighter and serious to Troughton's softer, Chaplin-esque persona, as was Tom Baker's oddball and other-worldly to Pertwee's sophistication. Even Davison was a success in the role and he couldn't have been more different than previous, as we were presented with a rather mild, gentle, yet insecure Doctor from the almost untouchable and infallible T.Baker.
What does connect them all though, without a shadow of doubt, including Capaldi, is at their very core, they all display the Doctor's inherent attributes.

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Incidentally, I can't see the OP returning this thread to discuss their own 'debate'. (Why do OP's do that? )
I also cannot see any evidence from his claim that he's been told that he can't post in certain threads. I've even re-read the Appreciation thread and where a couple of people have stated that they can't warm to Capaldi, they're not shot down but replied with a courteous 'entitled to your own opinion'.

TIL: People have different opinions.

Also, to the people who are wishing for RTD/Tennant era like Who, perhaps it's time to realise that Doctor Who will NEVER be like it was when it was when RTD/Tennant were around.

Just like it will never be like it was when Matt Smith or Tom Baker or whomever were the Doctor. And it will never be like it was when Moffat was around once he leaves. That's the whole frigging point of this show AFAIK.

I wouldn't say Capaldi is an awful doctor, far from it. I'm still having trouble imagining him as the Doctor though, which isn't good. It didn't take long to get used to 9, 10 or 11, but this Doctor I just don't get.
He doesn't have a defining character. He's just there. He doesn't really have a thing besides his sunglasses & electric guitar.

Nothing wrong with the acting. I think he's being given a crap character & crap storylines to work with.

Absolutely agree with your post, and that last bit about when Moffat leaves is especially nice to read because some Moffat fans usually say that the RTD Era is over and it's time to move on but don't accept there is a time when Moffat will move on as well and the show will change again. It's almost as if they expect the show to stay as it currently is forever.

Classic Who was forever evolving into new styles and formats. Thankfully the New Series is as well, though I may not approve of all it, it is good to see it never stands still and that every Series is different from the last.

The only thing I'd like to see back from the RTD Era is a bit of pace and fast moving action, don't feel we're getting this at the moment. That for me is what makes watching the show a bit unexciting at times unless you have something to hook you, which the first two episodes of this series definitely did.

Maybe because nobody here knows. Have you tried finding out? I'm sure it's not a Ratings Thread conspiracy.

Have to say I agree.

For me they've made the classic mistake of confusing good actor with good Doctor.

Agree completely
that's why I feel when Missy comes on Screen she basically pushes "the doctor" right off. *not PC personally but the character of the doctor.

I really had high hopes from the 1st few episodes but last Saturdays for me personally sent his character right back to stage one. character development seems out the window. what happens with Clara leaves? We get a sudden outburst of emotion something that's been sadly lacking and will be totally out of place for the doctor they have been writing for.

I cant see how they can write a strong powerful character like Missy and get the main character so out of sync, We know from his previous work its not the acting is the problem

I agree... Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about the hyperactive clown who Peter Capaldi replaced. To say HE was awful is putting it mildly. If you ask me, it's unlikely they will find anyone who is as bad in that role as Matt Smith was, but hey, if custard pies and silly dances are your thing - who are we to disagree?

We're all different. It's natural. Just because I prefer actors with gravitas, doesn't make my opinion any more right than yours. I've been there. I get it. I know what it's like to not enjoy the show, so while my comment may seem in jest, it's far from it - I assure you. I do know what it's like. I always wondered why anyone would say Matt Smith was anything other than diabolical, but hey, they did - some people rate him as their fave. Peter Capaldi is my fave, but much like custard pie man, not everyone will like it, yourself included. Don't worry about it, it's cool.

It's no use, he won't be back to debate.

I upset people in the "other" thread. They were giving Capaldi so much praise that they couldn't cope with me say "I don't really like him in the role" They went on to say that they assumed I must be a Tennant and Smith fan and I obviously couldn't understand the show if I didn't like Capaldi.
I have to say that I think Matt Smith was brilliant, he seemed to absolutely "get" the character. I'm not saying anything about Capaldi as an actor, It's just that I don't think he works as a Doctor. I also think that changing him in to a darker character doesn't help. He's just not believable. Im in my mid 50's now and have watch the show since I was a child. I have watched every Doctor and my least favourite was Sylvester McCoy, I am convinced that he ruined the show and was the reason that it was cancelled. I still watch the show, but think that they do need a fresher, younger doctor. But who should be the next Who?

Matt was brilliant. The War Doctor has no taste!

(Joking. We're all different and it's all opinion.)

Don't personally think there's been an 'awful' Doctor....

Something clearly has gone wrong.
As people posted in the ratings thread other shows are getting overnights just fine.
Merlin was rating around the 5.5 million mark up against X factor.
We've had the rugby reason but totally understand the points you raised it does look more likely some people just don't like PC's doctor.

I'm going to give it two more episodes and if I still feel the same will do like it did last series and just not watch. I didn't enjoy Saturdays episode I tried rewatching earlier and again it just seemed a totally pointless episode and characters quite frankly didn't care if they lived or died.

Overnights should be getting at least 5 million, Only time will tell how worried the BBC are, I still wouldn't be surprised we see a shock Regeneration this year.

I think the problem is there isn't much to Capaldis doctor, other than him having poor social skills and grumpy.

There isn't a real personality to him. With 9/10/11 and even the War Doctor there was something engaging about the characters. With 12 there isn't.

Don't get me wrong this is the writers fault not Capaldi. I was very excited when it was announced Capaldi was going to be the Doctor but so far there's just nothing engaging about him. And thus the casual viewer slips away.

Yep.
there's zero charisma no Charm. Sorry when the main character is almost blown off screen but the Villain something has seriously gone wrong. DT and Simms both bounced off each other.

I had the same feeling with Danny Pink the character just wasn't complete yet other characters have had massive amounts of time and energy poured into the them.

I think they should write him more violently angry and devious and nasty.
Just like Malcolm Tucker was in the Thick of it.
Let's face it wanging on a guitar in front of a medieval court with some awful sunglasses on......to try and show he has a whacky side It's cringeful....... it's like watching Dad dancing at the family doo.
He just doesn't have the physical appearance to do whacky. His face has always been too hard looking even in Tutti Frutti blast from the past and i know he was a sort of comedian/ poet when alternative comedy came out in the 80's but he even looked too old and too hard faced then to pull it off, and he has that angry edge to it.
You don't look at the bloke and think funny, whacky ,loveable you just don't.
Gnarly, ascerbic, spiteful, nasty, sarcastic, with that face I'm sorry it's the appearance has to be written for.
Funniest line was "this regeneration is a bit of a xxxx up" it's funny when he's being sarcastic and ascerbic that was really breaking the fourth wall( rather than that ridiculous beethoven shoite), him and the writers were actually saying we know that you don't like me as an old codger but I'm clever enough to say I'm here anyway.
I wish he would start saying to a few Aliens "I'll pull your head off and xxxx down your neck"
The Doctor has always had a manipulative, dark side, win at all costs to his character.
They should write to Capaldi's Strength.
All the best
Haway xx

Capaldi is a fantastic actor. You should see him in "The Thick of it". If he's not working for you as the Doctor it's either down to the writing or him just being miscast. It didn't help that the writers obviously fell in love with the Missy character and Michelle Gomez!

The writers put more charm into missy and that old bore clara

The Master has always outdone the Doctor with charm, especially Delgado's.
The Master has to be larger than life in character otherwise we feel no threat, it's a typical writing trope.
Moriarty will 9 times out of 10 dominate the page or screen when Sherlock is also present.

Why are people surprised that the Doctor is sometimes whacky? It's nothing new. He's not human, his brain works different to ours.
Pertwee dressed as a cleaning lady. Went to the farside of the galaxy, beyond his means just to get a blue crystal because he was bored and nearly got himself killed in the process.
Tom Baker did it several times, from posing as 'entertainer', getting up on stage to do some magic tricks and doing a song and dance routine to infiltrate a secret conference.
The Graham Williams era is full of oddball moments.
Even the darker Eccleston got up on stage to start telling jokes.

If you watch the classic Doctors you will see he is more like a few of them,which is a good thing,he is a massive fan of the early Doctors so of course that will show in his characterisation.

I don't understand this. I think Capaldi's 12th Doctor oozes charisma and is extremely compelling. He is also, IMHO, more "the Doctor", more in keeping with the original classic doctors, than any of the Doctors of the last 10 years. There's a big difference between not being goofy or hammy, and not being engaging.

They seem to know the figures for the day before every morning since this series began. Why would they not know the repeat figures? Come on.

Yes I have tried to find out by asking repeatedly on the ratings thread.

As for conspiracies, I do wonder why is there silence on the matter, and why you replied to me about this point a week after I first asked over on the actual ratings thread...

I'm sorry, I'll try to be more prompt in my postings.

Pay no attention to the Cigarette Smoking Man in the back of the thread.

Are you sure you have seen the classic doctors? The idea that Troughton, Pertwee T. Baker, C. Baker, McCoy etc were never goofy or hammy is quite frankly ridiculous. Doctor Who is the home of over the top English-school theatrical acting. Even Capaldi is very sensibly playing it a lot broader than he would in more serious drama.

So far for me his Doctor is getting better and is more interesting than McCoy and Davison but he doesn't have that quicksilver change of pace that marks the best Doctors. He sort of grouches around and then there are the odd moments of pathos and the odd moments of silliness at which point you tend to hear the grinding of the gears.

On the sartorial front the stuff with the guitar and the shades just jars and does not seem to grow from the rest of the character. Not at all like Baker and the scarf or Smith and the bow tie which were just a natural fit.

Yes I have seen the classic doctors. And goofy & hammy is not how I'd describe Hartnell, Pertwee or Davison's Doctors, that's for sure.

Why, will he be the one supplying the specialist +4 day ratings tomorrow morning over on the ratings thread?