I absolutely agree kaycee, regarding technique and authenticity.
Must be interesting seeing some elements behind the show.
Must be interesting seeing some elements behind the show.
How did Len get to be head judge, anyway?
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Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I absolutely agree kaycee, regarding technique and authenticity.
Must be interesting seeing some elements behind the show.”
“I absolutely agree kaycee, regarding technique and authenticity.
Must be interesting seeing some elements behind the show.
”
My personal involvement has been limited to going to practice rooms to help with some routines. A certain Latin pro needed some help putting together some ballroom routines (which is quite weird really, as I dance mostly Latin too!) But, yes, it was quite interesting, and certainly fun.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Thank you, Fuchsia, that is exactly what I meant.
And you're right, I never suggested the show was aired to appeal to 'hardcore dance fans', in fact the opposite is probably true. When the idea was first discussed, most dancers were pretty scathing and wanted nothing to do with it, certain it would fail at first hurdle. Well, they - we - were off the mark with that, although to be honest, there's plenty of dancers who still wouldn't watch it if you paid them!”
“Thank you, Fuchsia, that is exactly what I meant.
And you're right, I never suggested the show was aired to appeal to 'hardcore dance fans', in fact the opposite is probably true. When the idea was first discussed, most dancers were pretty scathing and wanted nothing to do with it, certain it would fail at first hurdle. Well, they - we - were off the mark with that, although to be honest, there's plenty of dancers who still wouldn't watch it if you paid them!”
Thats absolutely true. Most - if not all- professionals are pretty scathing about it. Many don't bother with it at all, and those that do, just dismiss it and laugh at it.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“My personal involvement has been limited to going to practice rooms to help with some routines. A certain Latin pro needed some help putting together some ballroom routines (which is quite weird really, as I dance mostly Latin too!) But, yes, it was quite interesting, and certainly fun.”
“My personal involvement has been limited to going to practice rooms to help with some routines. A certain Latin pro needed some help putting together some ballroom routines (which is quite weird really, as I dance mostly Latin too!) But, yes, it was quite interesting, and certainly fun.”
That sounds like the most brilliant fun !! Lucky you !! WOW.
I see that Neil often assists in the choreo of the Pro numbers and not sure if anyone spotted Katya dancing with Brendan in the opening number. You'll all doing a fab job. I absolutely loved the Ballroom Pro number from last week, or week before ...one of the best I have seen . Really enjoyed it.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“My personal involvement has been limited to going to practice rooms to help with some routines. A certain Latin pro needed some help putting together some ballroom routines (which is quite weird really, as I dance mostly Latin too!) But, yes, it was quite interesting, and certainly fun.”
“My personal involvement has been limited to going to practice rooms to help with some routines. A certain Latin pro needed some help putting together some ballroom routines (which is quite weird really, as I dance mostly Latin too!) But, yes, it was quite interesting, and certainly fun.”
Sounds fun
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Originally Posted by kaycee:
“The first few years voting was more expensive and proceeds went to CIN. Now phone voting is a lot cheaper or free if you vote on line, and is no longer aimed at charity..”
“The first few years voting was more expensive and proceeds went to CIN. Now phone voting is a lot cheaper or free if you vote on line, and is no longer aimed at charity..”
A useful source of income to the charity was lost thanks to the greed of ITV, now done for the minimum cost of operating the voting system though I think any small surplus still goes to charity
I think I preferred the phone vote to online, irrespective of considerations as to where the money went. It set a financial limit on people's obsessions, even if there was some multi voting going on. Online voting, with the ability to set up multiple accounts, has a greater danger of distorting the viewer vote.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I think I preferred the phone vote to online, irrespective of considerations as to where the money went. It set a financial limit on people's obsessions, even if there was some multi voting going on. Online voting, with the ability to set up multiple accounts, has a greater danger of distorting the viewer vote.”
“I think I preferred the phone vote to online, irrespective of considerations as to where the money went. It set a financial limit on people's obsessions, even if there was some multi voting going on. Online voting, with the ability to set up multiple accounts, has a greater danger of distorting the viewer vote.”
I totally agree. I'm the first one to say "it's only an entertainment programme" but I do find it a bit annoying when people announce that they've voted for their favourite a gazillion times.
Going to OFCOM and will persist in going to OFCOM until the production of SCD improves and len has a big change in his attitude. Yes BBC will get a fine, but it's their fault for breaching the broadcast code of tv that isn't comfortable to watch. It'll serve the production team right for feeding unethical behaviour to presenters and judges. 
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Going to OFCOM and will persist in going to OFCOM until the production of SCD improves and len has a big change in his attitude. Yes BBC will get a fine, but it's their fault for breaching the broadcast code of tv that isn't comfortable to watch. It'll serve the production team right for feeding unethical behaviour to presenters and judges.”
“Going to OFCOM and will persist in going to OFCOM until the production of SCD improves and len has a big change in his attitude. Yes BBC will get a fine, but it's their fault for breaching the broadcast code of tv that isn't comfortable to watch. It'll serve the production team right for feeding unethical behaviour to presenters and judges.
”
What exactly do you believe the Beeb will get a fine for regarding SCD???
I think you may be deluding yourself - I don't think its a fine-able offence to have rude boorish people on reality shows!
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Going to OFCOM and will persist in going to OFCOM until the production of SCD improves and len has a big change in his attitude. Yes BBC will get a fine, but it's their fault for breaching the broadcast code of tv that isn't comfortable to watch. It'll serve the production team right for feeding unethical behaviour to presenters and judges.”
“Going to OFCOM and will persist in going to OFCOM until the production of SCD improves and len has a big change in his attitude. Yes BBC will get a fine, but it's their fault for breaching the broadcast code of tv that isn't comfortable to watch. It'll serve the production team right for feeding unethical behaviour to presenters and judges.
”
So that is where my tax money goes, paying for OFCOM to read pointless complaints about things that are nothing to do with them. Almost as bad as the amount the BBC has to spend reading and answering all the letters and EMails from people with a chip on the shoulder about some trivial matter.
Originally Posted by Mr Cellophane:
“What exactly do you believe the Beeb will get a fine for regarding SCD???
I think you may be deluding yourself - I don't think its a fine-able offence to have rude boorish people on reality shows!”
“What exactly do you believe the Beeb will get a fine for regarding SCD???
I think you may be deluding yourself - I don't think its a fine-able offence to have rude boorish people on reality shows!”
Your obviously team len then, don't have a problem over that, but it's evidence that you like SCD to be an unpleasant war zone and it shouldn't be that way.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Your obviously team len then, don't have a problem over that, but it's evidence that you like SCD to be an unpleasant war zone and it shouldn't be that way.”
“Your obviously team len then, don't have a problem over that, but it's evidence that you like SCD to be an unpleasant war zone and it shouldn't be that way.”
You have a funny idea of what a war zone is. And since you have mentioned the war
Don't you think you should save your ire for something more fitting.? Say 6 million people displaced from their homes and countries, separated from their families, destitute, homeless, in mortal danger. And you spend you energy winging at OFCOM about something that is so trivial not to mention completely outside of their remit. 
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“You have a funny idea of what a war zone is. And since you have mentioned the war Don't you think you should save your ire for something more fitting.? Say 6 million people displaced from their homes and countries, separated from their families, destitute, homeless, in mortal danger. And you spend you energy winging at OFCOM about something that is so trivial not to mention completely outside of their remit. ”
“You have a funny idea of what a war zone is. And since you have mentioned the war
Don't you think you should save your ire for something more fitting.? Say 6 million people displaced from their homes and countries, separated from their families, destitute, homeless, in mortal danger. And you spend you energy winging at OFCOM about something that is so trivial not to mention completely outside of their remit. ”
Just a bit annoyed because the production of SCD isn't as good as it could be. I think some of the people behind the scenes have just graduated from university and in my eyes aren't exactly expert hands. Their scripting of the judges role is to me a bit haphazard if I may be so bold.
Len's the Head Judge because he's got the most obvious background and credentials to be Head Judge, hence the audience trust him to be Head Judge more than they'd trut any of the other three, therefore he IS Head Judge. It doesn't matter that his comments are garbage, his scoring has all the influence of something trying to turn a hurricane back by blowing on it, and the fact that he is Head Judge has actually meant something about three times over the years, that's how it is.
Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“Totally and completely agree! I always enjoy hearing their input on ITT and they're entertaining too. If we lost Len and he was not replaced with someone who can correctly describe the steps and note whether they're done well, I think the show would absolutely lose something.”
“Totally and completely agree! I always enjoy hearing their input on ITT and they're entertaining too. If we lost Len and he was not replaced with someone who can correctly describe the steps and note whether they're done well, I think the show would absolutely lose something.”
Ian, Karen, Craig and Darcey would be the best panel so long as Karen tuned down her performing seal act. Darcey and Ian really know their stuff and the panel would be more balanced.
Bruno is too ridiculous to be funny anymore, Craig can be harsh but he is realistic where as Len is just nasty. He's too mercurial. Craig can be scathing but his comments are generally designed to be constructive whereas Len can be really vile and the next minute the sickly smile and "From Len, a 10". He grins like a shark. I don't like him.
Leave Len alone, he's fine.
All this hand wringing, angst & complaints to OFCOM over Len and the show's content is just risable. I'm actually wondering if it's a wind up....surely it must be.
Get a bl**dy grip and enjoy a marvelous Saturday night entertainment show.
I LOVE SCD.
All this hand wringing, angst & complaints to OFCOM over Len and the show's content is just risable. I'm actually wondering if it's a wind up....surely it must be.
Get a bl**dy grip and enjoy a marvelous Saturday night entertainment show.
I LOVE SCD.
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Leave Len alone, he's fine.
All this hand wringing, angst & complaints to OFCOM over Len and the show's content is just risible. I'm actually wondering if it's a wind up....surely it must be.
Get a bl**dy grip and enjoy a marvelous Saturday night entertainment show.
I LOVE SCD.”
“Leave Len alone, he's fine.
All this hand wringing, angst & complaints to OFCOM over Len and the show's content is just risible. I'm actually wondering if it's a wind up....surely it must be.
Get a bl**dy grip and enjoy a marvelous Saturday night entertainment show.
I LOVE SCD.
”
The voice of reason.
Originally Posted by Mr Cellophane:
“While all this may be indisputable fact, he is also rude, bullying, cliche ridden and wildly inconsistent in his scoring.
By all means have someone with good credentials in ballroom and latin as head judge, but surely SCD can do better than ghastly Len?”
“While all this may be indisputable fact, he is also rude, bullying, cliche ridden and wildly inconsistent in his scoring.
By all means have someone with good credentials in ballroom and latin as head judge, but surely SCD can do better than ghastly Len?”
There should be a former competition champion in charge, which Len Goodman certainly is not. I believe that many years ago Shirley Ballas was on the panel briefly as a temporary replacement. There should be someone like Marcus or Karen Hilton MBE.
Len Goodman was obviously chosen mainly for his entertainment value. I have been following ballroom dancing since Sonny Binick and Sally Brock were the British champions in the 1950s, and occasionally competing myself, and I had never heard of Len Goodman before this show started.
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