The pros are all hopeless hypocrites on this issue, playing that card if they've got a learner, but never mentioning training if they haven't. I probably agreed with her at the time, but with the amount of gymnastics in his showdance it's a bit of a tough claim to defend.

Anyone can get taken out of context by the papers. It won't be the first or last dig at Jay by any means, if it was one. I don't think it will make any difference to anyone really. I always think it must be a hell of a life being someone like Peter, having to come up with new ways all the time to be in the papers.

Every series has the one with 'too much' training that the others have to beat. If a 'journey' contestant can get really good, then they will beat Jay, because the viewers love the idea that someone can start off wobbly and end up by Christmas Fred Astaire, and if someone can give them that fairytale they will vote for it. Whether Peter can position himself as the journey is another story - it's looking at the moment like Anita could be his real competition.

At the same time, I think there were many reasons why Abby and Caroline won, but I think that their knowledge and experience of how to keep yourself in the press all the time was a very important key strength for both of them. Peter has by far the most experience of anyone this year in this. I think people writing Peter off as a winner at this stage might be wrong. (A lot of people on here were very sure Abby wouldn't win in her year.)

eta: and it helps Jay if as many people as possible know so it can't surprise them later and then they'll feel conned. And I think the fact that Jay really loves dancing makes him more interesting than the average boy band member just looking to do anything to be on TV. But I'm not sure that will be a majority opinion. (Sorry for the essay)

I'm not sure if Antonys agent has copy approval on all his interviews?

It says on the CAN website they get copy approval for their clients.

I'm still wondering how PA words were taken out of context on a one to one interview, that they had copy approval on. Has DW tweeted or made it be known as yet that he took PA's words 'out of context?'

And why did PA delete the tweet stating that?

Don't think it will make much difference to the eventual winner. I personally dont think that will be Peter Andre. Although his fans will vote for him regardless. The rest of the population who watch strictly will vote for a mixture of the best dancer and who they happen to like best.

It's on topic to Strictly, but it's yet another thread about Jay's dance experience really, so could have been written in one of those, I suppose.

If she said it then yes .. it was unsportsmanlike. Especially as he's a world class gymnast .. which gave him several advantages over the others.

Peter does seem to me to be the sort of person who would try and subtly stick the knife in .. whilst trying to appear decent and everyone's friend.

It could also be said that lieing through your teeth in a court of law for your own personal gain and trying to destroy a mans reputation by claiming he was issuing death threats, not to mention ruining his business, is an exercise in viciousness that is truly vile.

You're doing the right thing by staying away from that thread, given that you feel so strongly about its content.

And this thread is on topic to Strictly.

If it is ok for those who have dance training to be on the show then I don't see what's wrong with others talking about it. You have to take the negatives and the positives - you have the training and ability to dance very well and be the leader but yes, people might know about it, and the other might try to use it to their advantage. Should it be a hidden secret anyway?

BIB I agree.

Bit much for Peter to try and lump himself in with the cricketers and journalists. He has had plenty of prior performance and dance experience which gives him just as much of an advantage but he's spinning out a version of 'I only sat on a stool.'
Disingenuous!

Don't people always say that their words have been taken out of context when it comes back to bite them on the behind?
I know the Sun is a rag of the lowest level, but I was under the impression that the 'journalist' in question was a pal of Peter Andre's and spent most of his time with his head up Peter's rear end. Surely it would be more likely for someone with an axe to grind against Peter to deliberately misconstrue what he said, not a supposed friend.



I think to be honest that it's more about WHY he was commenting than the fact that he commented at all. As far as I know, Jay has not made any secret of his previous dance experience. It wasn't concealed at any point. So why did Peter feel that he needed to clarify it again?
And why didn't he mention any of the other contestants, like Helen for example, who have also got previous experience? Bearing in mind that he has just been called a liar by a judge, you would think that Peter would be going out of his way to be seen as being scrupulously honest. So why then lie and claim to be a completely self taught dancer, when he has been helped by plenty of choreographers, including Michael Jackson's?

I have to say that as an avid Strictly viewer, I really don't care about any of the celeb's previous experience, as long as they are open about it. If the series was full of duffers it would be pretty dull . Covering up previous training is for me, way more irritating than how much training they have. And yes, Denise van Outen, I'm thinking about you. Just sitting on a chair indeed.

Only my opinion but I couldn't give a flying fig who''s had dance training, it's an entertainment prog & much as you expect to see a couple of celebs with 2 left feet, it'd be a pretty dull show if they were all like that.
Regarding whether PA's comments will damage his or Jay's chances, I don't vote but if I did, even if I thought PA deserved to win, there would be absolutely no chance I'd chuck him a vote, his sly, snidey comments to his buddy DW were just bleurgh & imo, showed him up to be the weasel he really is.
So in a nutshell, I think PA has damaged his chances & unintentionally done Jay a massive favour along the way.
As for his attempt at wriggling out of it by claiming his words were taken out of context, absolute rubbish!

agreed.

and even if he did, i doubt the readership will give a toss unless it comes to blows

or nudity

Who reads The Sun anyway?

Better used as cat litter. Easy to rip up.

What Peter said is true . Jay is dance school trained . He didn't suddenly become a brilliant dancer after a few weeks with Aliona .

Too early to say who will come out on top at the end .

Ditto

Don't worry Peter the producers won't want Aliona to get a second title, the win will be yours, unfortunately.

Well he's managed to score very well despite his terrible appels last week and his Lipizzaner trotting in both the quickstep and paso, so my guess would be that by the time his fate is wholly in the hands of the public, these comments will have been forgotten.

I don't read the Sun so it makes no difference to me. Neither did I know Jay had any dance training, which does make sense given his level.

But it's interesting that a forum Woth many posters obsessed with 'ringers', huffing and puffing over the 'unfair' advantage that dance training gives, and celebs they perceive as not being totally upfront (viz Denise Van Outen), has a different attitude when it's a male celeb.

Jay has been upfront, and I don't agree, I don't really think the attiude, on here at least, is that different at all. There have been a number of critical threads this week following Jay's jive last weekend, and much of what has been posted has been quite vitriolic.

Anyway, for what it's worth, this is Carol Kirkwood's take on the issue.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...nt-on-strictly

Its a pity some posters on here don't accept the inevitability of mixed abilities like Carol has. This situation has been going on for years so what's the point of keep pointing the finger year after year. If you really don't agree with having celebrities on who have had previous experience, then perhaps its not the programme for you. I think sometimes people just want something to moan about.

Lovely and sensible interview. Well done Carol .

Not sure if it will make any difference at all.

Why do some people have such a problem with someone giving an honest opinion? It would be foolish in the extreme if you actually believed that all the contestants were best buddies. It would hardly be such a surprise if other contestants had similar thoughts about Jay. Strictly just wants you to believe they are one happy family.

Well if the rest of the viewers are anything like me they won't have known anything about it unless they happened to click on a DS thread! There's reality show overload in the showbiz sections of all the papers now so I'm guessing a lot of it gets unnoticed or is quickly forgotten about when the next 'scandal' comes along.


Do you think? If that's the case it's not really showing in his dancing (which, so far, has been very mediocre/overrated ). I think I'd rather come with whatever experience Jay or Helen have had because they look more accomplished to me.


I don't think Jay's trying to hide anything but nor would I have known about his background unless I'd gone and looked it up. It's not like when Natalie Gumede boasted on her VT about practically being a trained dancer (big mistake!) or Helen mentioning her ballet or Pixie's dance background being brought up last year.

I don't think the contestants are all one big happy family, I think some people probably have a bit of resentment over it (but know to keep it quiet) and some are genuinely happy for everyone else doing a good dance and don't mind. Carol sounds like she has a very sensible attitude to it but I doubt she went into the show with much expectation of being a brilliant dancer or winning so probably doesn't really see herself as in competition with the great dancers, more with herself to improve a little every week and so can enjoy great dancing when she sees it. Peter, on the other hand, probably went into this series expecting to be the big name star who everyone was talking about (he had made enough fuss in the press every year about how they kept asking him but he couldn't squeeze it into his busy schedule) and perhaps there is a tiny bit of resentment that Jay is stealing his thunder and that leaked out a bit in his interview. Sports people like Anthony are probably used to a more level playing field in their normal jobs so perhaps struggle with competing against such a wide range of skill levels. As Carol said, though, they should all know exactly what they're signing up for so shouldn't complain as it doesn't do anyone any favours.

Peter has the hump because he thought he would be top dog and does not like it one it that Jay is so much better than him. Peter loves the limelight and sorry but this is lowlife even for him

I read /heard somewhere that PA is the vainest scd competitor ever!Always in makeup and looking in the mirror at himself.
I would like to know if he mixes with the other contestants at all like people in previous years?Has he become part of the strictly family?