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Jamelia's Charleston
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Monsieur23
18-10-2015
Okay, so I've been re-watching the dances, and even as a rabid Katie & Anton fan...

...I felt Jamelia & Tristan should've been top? Her swivel was utterly fabulous, and it really was a "WOW" dance. I thought at least two 9s were deserved, but I've seen others on DS disagree and say it was overmarked. What's everyone's opinion?
milotic12
18-10-2015
Fellow rabid Katie and Anton fan reporting in here too.

I think Jamelia and Katie were the strongest tonight. That said I still would've placed Jamelia slightly lower; the dance wasn't anywhere near as clean something she needs to work on. Problem was the sheer amount of couples scoring 32 points. I personally would've put Peter and Kellie behind Jamelia in points which would've made her Charleston have more of an impact on the leaderboard.
TomStar
18-10-2015
I thought her Charleston was the best dance on the night, can't understand why people think she was overmarked?
Monsieur23
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by milotic12:
“Fellow rabid Katie and Anton fan reporting in here too.

I think Jamelia and Katie were the strongest tonight. That said I still would've placed Jamelia slightly lower; the dance wasn't anywhere near as clean something she needs to work on. Problem was the sheer amount of couples scoring 32 points. I personally would've put Peter and Kellie behind Jamelia in points which would've made her Charleston have more of an impact on the leaderboard.”

I thought the slight messiness suited Jamelia's Charleston; it really was, as the judges said, "her dance", and the first backflip lift was flawless. Katie's VW got the right score (anywhere from 32-35 would've been fine), but it was a bit skippy, and I feel that was because Anton went "YOU WANT CONTENT?! I'LL GIVE YOU F***ING CONTENT.", and turned the difficulty dial up to 11.
BuddyBontheNet
18-10-2015
Katie and Anton made their VW look simple, but it was full of content and very well danced. I saw Katie make two small blips, otherwise I couldn't fault it. The trouble with the VW is it looks easy, but it's a hard dance to do well. We rarely see a decent VW on the show any more, so a lot of people dismiss it as easy. In earlier series we'd see at least one celeb taking travel sickness tablets to get through their routine.

Jamelia's Charleston was brilliant. Also full of content and well danced. She had much better control this week, especially of her legs. You could see how hard she'd worked to pull off that performance and for me it was the best Charleston since Natalie Gunmede's.

Very hard to choose between the two couples, but I love the VW so I'd place Katie and Anton above Jamelia and Tris.
Sherlock_Holmes
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“Okay, so I've been re-watching the dances, and even as a rabid Katie & Anton fan...

...I felt Jamelia & Tristan should've been top? Her swivel was utterly fabulous, and it really was a "WOW" dance. I thought at least two 9s were deserved, but I've seen others on DS disagree and say it was overmarked. What's everyone's opinion?”

It was a good dance, but from the tied couples I think that she was only better then Peter.

Also remember she got the same score as Kellie got last week (for her Charleston).

The main problem with the dance being that she was a bit heavy with her legs on the floor, something that shouldn't be the case with a Charleston.
Fred.
18-10-2015
Loved the look on Tristan's face - nearly as pleased as Anton!
Cadiva
18-10-2015
Jamelia's Charleston was good but, as with all her dances, for me anyway, she "sits" on her legs which makes them look too bent all the time and, while that suits this particular dance, it still means she's not getting the extension from the hips down through the leg which makes it look clean.
Her swivel action, on the other hand, was amonst the best I've seen on the show and she definitely had a Josephine Baker style to sections of the dance which were completely recognisable. If she'd straighten her knees in between thebending, even in a Charleston, her central core would look like it was being pulled through the steps even more and stop her looking so heavy on the dance floor as she's not actually.
Monsieur23
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Also remember she got the same score as Kellie got last week (for her Charleston).”

Yes, she did. And in my opinion she deserved more (even though Kellie & Kevin were also fab).

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“The main problem with the dance being that she was a bit heavy with her legs on the floor, something that shouldn't be the case with a Charleston.”

I think this might be a style thing more than anything else, as I didn't clock it (either that or I just am missing something obvious, also a likely situation). Her legs look fine to me, but even if there was a technical issue performance is a factor, and Jamelia knocked it out of the park.
Monsieur23
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Jamelia's Charleston was good but, as with all her dances, for me anyway, she "sits" on her legs which makes them look too bent all the time and, while that suits this particular dance, it still means she's not getting the extension from the hips down through the leg which makes it look clean.”

I can see that, definitely. I just think, as you say, her Charleston was a dance that suited her and her "sitting" on her legs (although is that making it too "swing" rather than Charleston?).
Cadiva
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“I can see that, definitely. I just think, as you say, her Charleston was a dance that suited her and her "sitting" on her legs (although is that making it too "swing" rather than Charleston?).”

For me yes, too much into Swing and Lindy than Charleston. If you watch Josephine Baker she too has bent legs but she's not sitting on them. It's difficult to explain what I mean but it's like imagine there's a chair under Jamelia's bum which is slightly lower than her natural resting position and she's sat on it, then the chair is taken away and that's where she's "coming to rest" in her legs.
Whereas when you watch Josephine, it's all coming from her legs not her bum if that makes any sense?
firefly_irl
18-10-2015
Loved it, I know she isn't a fan fave but I find her ok personality wise and she could definitely be the journey contestant this year. Vast improvement from her.
lexeme
18-10-2015
I've only seen it once but I thought she went wrong at the end and then was surprised the comments/marks didn't reflect that. Maybe I was wrong.
alexandree
18-10-2015
I thought she danced it good, it just didn't have the WOW for me, not sure why, I preferred Kellie's last week
BMLisa
18-10-2015
It was my favourite dance of the night.

I accept from those in the know thstKatie and Anton were better technically. But I thought Jamelia was fab and really shined.
MaggieMcGee
18-10-2015
Who should have been top amongst the three women contestants is, I think, a matter of taste. I think Kellie's foxtrot was as good as Katie's VW but I do not like the foxtrot very much and did not like Kellie's dance either. So Katie's VW wins out for me between those two. I do not think there is much to choose between Katie and Jamelia except Katie is the tidier and more elegant of the two so seems better. I preferred Jamelia's dance and there were so many different steps packed into it. But I am not in a position to comment on technicality and if she demonstrated more skill than Katie.

Peter's tango was not as good as Kellie or Jamelia's dance and I would rate him below Helen.
GoinGaga
18-10-2015
It was very close between Jamelia and Katie last night. Both were great but I'd edge with Katie simply because I prefer the VW to the Charleston. Both were brilliant though.
Sherlock_Holmes
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by alexandree:
“I thought she danced it good, it just didn't have the WOW for me, not sure why, I preferred Kellie's last week”

Yes, even though not a fan, I would say that Kellie's Charleston was a bit more clean.
bornfree
18-10-2015
I like Jamilia and think she is doing really well. I hope makes to at least the quarter finals.
fatskia
18-10-2015
I've liked her attitude and she has been giggling a lot and taking criticism well.

Nice to see her dancing well at last.

She is working hard, so hopefully she will pick up technique more as the weeks go on.
BMLisa
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Yes, even though not a fan, I would say that Kellie's Charleston was a bit more clean.”

See I much preferred Jamelias.

Kelly and Kevin danced side by side until the last 4 seconds and they lost it for me. Firstly because they did the whole thing side by side, instead of it being a wow moment of how perfectly in time they were, my attention was drawn to the tiniest flaws and secondly because part of the charm of the Carleston for me is the partnered part with the crazy legs.
bornfree
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“See I much preferred Jamelias.

Kelly and Kevin danced side by side until the last 4 seconds and they lost it for me. Firstly because they did the whole thing side by side, instead of it being a wow moment of how perfectly in time they were, my attention was drawn to the tiniest flaws and secondly because part of the charm of the Carleston for me is the partnered part with the crazy legs.”

I don't dislike Kelly and when I am watching her I really like her, but then when I watch the others I forget her. I wonder if its because she is faired with Kevin, who I find forgettable.
RichmondBlue
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“For me yes, too much into Swing and Lindy than Charleston. If you watch Josephine Baker she too has bent legs but she's not sitting on them. It's difficult to explain what I mean but it's like imagine there's a chair under Jamelia's bum which is slightly lower than her natural resting position and she's sat on it, then the chair is taken away and that's where she's "coming to rest" in her legs.
Whereas when you watch Josephine, it's all coming from her legs not her bum if that makes any sense?”

That explains a lot. I thought she looked a bit awkward, but now realise it was all part of the characterisation. Having looked at a few videos of the period, Jamelia actually captured that jazz age feel perfectly. In retrospect, I think it was one of the best dances of the night.
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“Okay, so I've been re-watching the dances, and even as a rabid Katie & Anton fan...

...I felt Jamelia & Tristan should've been top? Her swivel was utterly fabulous, and it really was a "WOW" dance. I thought at least two 9s were deserved, but I've seen others on DS disagree and say it was overmarked. What's everyone's opinion?”

Loved it. It suited her so perfectly.

Expecting a load of bizarre comments from people with very fixed ideas about what a Charleston is. I shall ignore every one.

This was her best dance
Liliaprincess
18-10-2015
I 100% thought Jamelia's Charleston was the stand out dance of week 4. You could tell she'd really studied the moves and practised hard. She pulled it off and I had to watch it again to check it was as good as I thought. She seems less abrasive now and much more likeable.
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