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Disagreements/Arguements and Tension between Judges & Pros
Just wondering whether anyone can remember of any disagreements between the judges and professionals
I can remember a few but don't know whether I've forgotten any and they're always interesting to watch back. Also, do you think pros should say what they think regarding judges comments etc or just be quiet and get on with it? |
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I wouldn't want to see every pro arguing with the judges every week but from time to time a spot of Punch and Judy spices things up.
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The public don't seem to vote for mouthy pros who think they are smarter than everyone else. It's generally best for them to stay quiet, make sure their celeb gets through, and endorse the Peter Andre "Judges are wonderful and I love their criticism as it makes me a better person" act.
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the Peter Andre "Judges are wonderful and I love their criticism as it makes me a better person" act.
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Did something happen with Trent last year?
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But why should the contestants be penalised if their pro is mouthy?
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I wouldn't want to see every pro arguing with the judges every week but from time to time a spot of Punch and Judy spices things up.
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It's never done Brendan (the most consistently mouthy, though he's toned down in recent years, pro) any harm, given he and Anton are the only ones still standing after over a decade.
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I think most of it is panto - Len clearly just kicks off semi-randomly these days about content/lifts/looking at his Bruno funny to remind people he's the "traditionalist" judge, without actually having to show it consistantly through his actions week on week, but some it is probably real. James used to make a great show of tripping Craig up on his clearly imperfect knowledge of ballroom technique and based on how they both talk about the other now they genuinely hate one another.
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Given that most of the pro dancers know more about ballroom and latin dancing than 3 out of 4 of the judges, sometimes they are right to stick up for themselves. There are times (Brendan alluded to this on It Takes Two this week) when the judges say things that are simply incorrect.
However, my impression is that it doesn't go down well with the public so they are better keeping quiet. |
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I don't think in the main the arguments on strictly transfer off it. They're usually of the moment.
Brendan of course is prob the most vocal (over the years), with the jelly brook thing and also moment when he had Jo wood and felt a need to ask Craig why he sounded the way he did despite him coming from a certain place in Australia. It's usually out of defence of their celeb rather than anything personal, and Craig went to Brendan's wedding, so they really do get on. With Len, most of his grumpy (but prob valid) moments have come from content issues, regarding pros like Artem and aliona. |
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The judges are the experts , like them or not, agree with them or not . If they point out errors then it isn't from malice but from wanting the contestant to improve and to give the pro something that needs fixing or tweaking with their celeb .
It's not like the judges are random celebs plucked from cookery shows or goggle box . They know their stuff and the only time it's apt to be cheeky back at them is if they are being patently nasty over something minor . I think the more sensible celebs like Peter, Jay and Ainsley this week have the right idea, it isn't personal, just take it on the chin, use the criticism to improve and be grateful you get advice that might get you further in the competition . The only level headed judges are Craig and Bruno most of the time . Darcy gets hot flushes over male dancers but is good at advising on balletic movement to prettify your dance , while Len allows little things to grind his gears too much but is good on little details that matter . |
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The judges are the experts , like them or not, agree with them or not . If they point out errors then it isn't from malice but from wanting the contestant to improve and to give the pro something that needs fixing or tweaking with their celeb .
It's not like the judges are random celebs plucked from cookery shows or goggle box . They know their stuff and the only time it's apt to be cheeky back at them is if they are being patently nasty over something minor . I think the more sensible celebs like Peter, Jay and Ainsley this week have the right idea, it isn't personal, just take it on the chin, use the criticism to improve and be grateful you get advice that might get you further in the competition . The only level headed judges are Craig and Bruno most of the time . Darcy gets hot flushes over male dancers but is good at advising on balletic movement to prettify your dance , while Len allows little things to grind his gears too much but is good on little details that matter . |
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Bruno is the muppet in the tumble dryer, Craig is the resident panto dame.
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The judges are the experts , like them or not, agree with them or not . If they point out errors then it isn't from malice but from wanting the contestant to improve and to give the pro something that needs fixing or tweaking with their celeb .
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It's not like the judges are random celebs plucked from cookery shows or goggle box . They know their stuff and the only time it's apt to be cheeky back at them is if they are being patently nasty over something minor.
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I think the more sensible celebs like Peter, Jay and Ainsley this week have the right idea, it isn't personal, just take it on the chin, use the criticism to improve and be grateful you get advice that might get you further in the competition .
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The only level headed judges are Craig and Bruno most of the time . Darcy gets hot flushes over male dancers but is good at advising on balletic movement to prettify your dance , while Len allows little things to grind his gears too much but is good on little details that matter .
I'd happily lose at least one of the three non Ballroom judges to one of the ex pros who could support Len on the technical stuff - Anton who has guest judged on both DWTS and the tour could do it without getting bogged down in technical detail , and likewise Camilla. Karen Hardy and Ian Waite are both judges too, and could also do the job - but I tend to agree with those who say that Karen would out gush Darcey! |
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Did james jordan ever fight / argue back on the show?
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Did james jordan ever fight / argue back on the show?
I can't remember which celeb he was with - but they were being interviewed on ITT and Claudia was asking him why he had argued with Craig "as Craig was the expert" James' response was a very cutting "is he???" Whatever - that was the start of Craig's anti Jordan vendetta. He was desperate to kick them both off the tour, and succeeded on one occasion, but then had to bring them back when DVO was runner up with James, and Ola had to stand in for Flavia on the tour with Louis. |
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Oh yes - and said a lot on ITT as well.
I can't remember which celeb he was with - but they were being interviewed on ITT and Claudia was asking him why he had argued with Craig "as Craig was the expert" James' response was a very cutting "is he???" Whatever - that was the start of Craig's anti Jordan vendetta. He was desperate to kick them both off the tour, and succeeded on one occasion, but then had to bring them back when DVO was runner up with James, and Ola had to stand in for Flavia on the tour with Louis. |
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I kind of like the fact James Jordan is extremely opinionated. Love to see him on the judging panel though tbh, hardly doubt it will ever happen but would be good TV.
When JJ was on CBB he was constantly having spats with others. He was really awful to Audley Harrison but always claimed that his comments were 'in jest'. I don't know how AH felt about it but I never ever bought the 'in jest' defence and just saw him as a rude, self-important little man who liked to shout down all dissention by professing to be consistently 'truthful'. As for him constantly mouthing off about Strictly now, I don't think he does either himself or his wife any favours. By conducting himself like this, I doubt anyone will be bursting their sides to employ him now. |
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I've got to disagree with you there.
When JJ was on CBB he was constantly having spats with others. He was really awful to Audley Harrison but always claimed that his comments were 'in jest'. I don't know how AH felt about it but I never ever bought the 'in jest' defence and just saw him as a rude, self-important little man who liked to shout down all dissention by professing to be consistently 'truthful'. As for him constantly mouthing off about Strictly now, I don't think he does either himself or his wife any favours. By conducting himself like this, I doubt anyone will be bursting their sides to employ him now. Brendan isn't very vocal anymore. Not sure if this because since becoming a father he has calmed down generally or because he doesn't want to be ousted like James. |
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I like that JJ is opinionated. Admittedly he does Ola no favours with his behaviour but at least he tells the truth. Nothing he has ever said about Strictly is a lie even if you may not like what he is saying. We need different characters and I like the pros to stick up for their partners sometimes..
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Depends on how you define a lie. Quite a bit of it has certainly proven to be not true.
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Like when he said that BBC producers leaked stories about Ola bullying Steve to damage her reputation so they could get rid of her without a fuss between series, then had to accept that wasn't the case and deleted half a dozen tweets about it?
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Like when he said that BBC producers leaked stories about Ola bullying Steve to damage her reputation so they could get rid of her without a fuss between series, then had to accept that wasn't the case and deleted half a dozen tweets about it?
Other examples of lies you think he's told please. |
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Brendan has openly criticised Darcey's critique about the leg action in the jive and pretty much said you'd damage yourself if you did it like she suggested. Len has called him a prawn head and other insults over the years which he has either retaliated against or tried to ignore. Len has alluded to Anton's choreography a couple of times but Anton seems to accept it more graciously.
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