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anyone else think that Jays mistakes last night
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Tall Paul
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by *Liya*:
“I think he's just not a ballroom kind of guy.

I thought his waltz was underwhelming compared to his CCC too tbh. Out of the ballroom dances he has left....i think he could do a very nice AS. Latin seems to be where he's most comfortable in.”

To win SCD you have to be great at ballroom and latin. Tom chambers was good at both. Wheras jay seems to be a one trick pony to me currently.
daziechain
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“How rude and how naieve, of course everyone in life is honest about everything.”

I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. Having said that though, perhaps we should look into your REAL motive for starting this thread!!
bettyboom43
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“Why do some people like to imagine that they perceive deceit in others?

Poor Jay.”

I think it is more about the BBC than Jay. I have met a few of the apprentice contestants over the years and that show is very edited and manipulated to make them make mistakes and look stupid. For example, before they make calls to each other , they may have to wait 30 mins for a camera man to be withborh groups to film it, so a task where there is a lot to do in a day, may make a group waste time waiting for cameramen, rather than doing the task. They are not allowed to talk in the cars without a cameraman present to capture everything said. Manipulation happens on tv shows, not so shocking.
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by fredster:
“What has happened to paragraphs on DS?”

They ran away with a bunch of commas.
fridgesoup
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Why???
People change their favourites throughout the show.

If you want to know the best dance then put that in the question or don't be surprised when you ask who's your fave couple that they put their favourite couple.

I think we should ask both questions in separate polls personally.”

I agree. I was in a quandry with the favourite poll. Jay and Aliona are my favourite couple, but Georgia and Giovanni's was my favourite dance this week (and I used my internet votes on Anita and Jamelia! )
bettyboom43
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. Having said that though, perhaps we should look into your REAL motive for starting this thread!!”

Which is what? No motive at all, just giving an opinion. Perhaps you should think about the way you think, to assume I have a motive. It is a Saturday entertainment show that has had some bad press in a week that the BBC has been talking about axing shows. What possible motive could I have. I am an armchair viewer not the producer of the x factor. Really!
RichmondBlue
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“were a little co-incidental after his perfect performance last week and cries of its unfair, he's too trained to be on the show. Cynical I know but I thought that as soon as he finished. It seemed like the kind of a manufactured move that the x factor would orchestrate to manipulate the public .I didn't think the beeb did that but we've all read about the judges on the voice being asked to spin more and being given lines so it wouldn't surprise me. They have always had stage school trained dancers on strictly but Jay is more trained than that and they generally don't win and its a bit embarrassing for the BBC now and they dont want to spoil this year's show if someone is getting 10s in week 3. Last night made it look like last week was fluke and he isn't that perfect. Someone that had that much technique last week and can do turns as perfectly as Jay would not make that many mistakes and lose his balance as much. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. One over balance maybe, two I don't believe. He doesn't have a day job and has plenty of time and the technique and experience not to make that many mistakes in week 4. Anyone else agree?”

No, I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. I'm not an expert, but it would surely be very difficult to attempt such a difficult routine and then add-in a few deliberate mistakes?
He must also be a very good actor (which is unlikely) to appear so disappointed and shell-shocked afterwards.
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the correct ones. It was a challenging routine and he just got it wrong on the night. Didn't Aliona say that it had been near perfect in dress rehearsal ? They definitely set out to nail it.
daziechain
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“Which is what? No motive at all, just giving an opinion. Perhaps you should think about the way you think, to assume I have a motive. It is a Saturday entertainment show that has had some bad press in a week that the BBC has been talking about axing shows. What possible motive could I have. I am an armchair viewer not the producer of the x factor. Really!”

Oh dear! Not nice to be doubted is it?
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“I think it is more about the BBC than Jay. I have met a few of the apprentice contestants over the years and that show is very edited and manipulated to make them make mistakes and look stupid. For example, before they make calls to each other , they may have to wait 30 mins for a camera man to be withborh groups to film it, so a task where there is a lot to do in a day, may make a group waste time waiting for cameramen, rather than doing the task. They are not allowed to talk in the cars without a cameraman present to capture everything said. Manipulation happens on tv shows, not so shocking.”

Aw! So really who is it that is really not doing as well as you would like? Is it that Clifton boy, or perhaps the 12 year going on 50 from East Enders? Or maybe you're a Brenda fan?

It is just not working out the way you want so you feel compelled to throw Jay under the bus - and any old daft story will do? Really?

Thing is, people like him and he can dance. Live with it. I think a good bracing walk in the fresh air might help too?
bettyboom43
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“To win SCD you have to be great at ballroom and latin. Tom chambers was good at both. Wheras jay seems to be a one trick pony to me currently.”

Maybe. Finally a response without being angry!
KorkyTheCat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“They ran away with a bunch of commas.”

...and the apostrophes. I think it's a conspiracy...
hannah
18-10-2015
Jay is my favourite but is it wrong that I weren't too bothered by the mistakes he made as if he was the trained dancer everybody keeps making out him to be because if he was he would have excelled at that dance yesterday. Also think that he would be good at both Latin and ballroom but at the moment he seems to be better at Latin than ballroom
fridgesoup
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“...and the apostrophes. I think it's a conspiracy...”

I think people are using bad grammar on purpose to shake off accusations they may have had an educashun. Innit.
johartuk
18-10-2015
[quote=bettyboom43;80036380]
Originally Posted by komentaightor:
“I really dislike the OP.

Maybe s/he has not watched previous series of Strictly and seen good couples having a bad day at the office.

To say that Jay messed up deliberately (with Aliona as a partner?? come on!) is reducing Strictly to a status lower than "I'm a Celebrity, Get me out of here"[/QUOTE

How patronising - I have seen every episode of strictly and also have been to see a lot of dance at the theatre too. I have also watched a lot of reality tv and it is not a shock that someone does something to manipulate the audience. Didn't you read what Tom Jones said about the voice another BBC show, it does happen.”

It's one thing for TPTB to manipulate the audience (i.e. music, costumes, performance order, VTs, judges' comments/marks) - we know that goes on in shows with a public vote. However, the idea that competing celebs and their pros would deliberately perform dances containing glaring errors is laughable!

Apart from anything else, actually doing something with deliberate mistakes is difficult - I suspect that most pros would struggle to do it, and make the mistakes look completely genuine, so a celeb wouldn't stand a chance of pulling it off! Especially when you factor in that Jay would have to have deliberately messed up whilst Aliona was doing the dance correctly!
RichmondBlue
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I think people are using bad grammar on purpose to shake off accusations they may have had an educashun. Innit.”

Like it.
I saw wot you done there.
Tall Paul
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“Maybe. Finally a response without being angry!”

I'm not totally one dimensional as a forumite, I do have a better side of me and not just an argumentative side to my nature so am multi faceted. That's how you should be really, otherwise the forum would be a bore, I can have a banter side to me as well.
hansue
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“were a little co-incidental after his perfect performance last week and cries of its unfair, he's too trained to be on the show. Cynical I know but I thought that as soon as he finished. It seemed like the kind of a manufactured move that the x factor would orchestrate to manipulate the public .I didn't think the beeb did that but we've all read about the judges on the voice being asked to spin more and being given lines so it wouldn't surprise me. They have always had stage school trained dancers on strictly but Jay is more trained than that and they generally don't win and its a bit embarrassing for the BBC now and they dont want to spoil this year's show if someone is getting 10s in week 3. Last night made it look like last week was fluke and he isn't that perfect. Someone that had that much technique last week and can do turns as perfectly as Jay would not make that many mistakes and lose his balance as much. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. One over balance maybe, two I don't believe. He doesn't have a day job and has plenty of time and the technique and experience not to make that many mistakes in week 4. Anyone else agree?”

Poor Jay. I wish people would give the bloke a break. Last week some of the forum was saying that he is a trained dancer and shouldn't be allowed on the show and now he is being accused for faking bad dancing.

I hope hes not reading this drivel. However, its nice to see that the vast majority on this thread have disagreed with the OPs ridiculous conspiracy theory.
RichmondBlue
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“To win SCD you have to be great at ballroom and latin. Tom chambers was good at both. Wheras jay seems to be a one trick pony to me currently.”

Yes, but we saw enough to guess that it would have been a great performance last night without the mistakes. A one-trick-pony would surely have played it safe, and that's something Aliona will never do. I like that attitude, if he fails, he'll fail in style
coppertop1
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Before jay entered SCD he and his mum probably organised a campaign so he could clinch it and it's coming off so far. ”

I said used FB I have never seen anything on my newsfeed about Jay whether or not it was written by his mother

Perhaps I had better throw some water over myself
Tall Paul
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, but we saw enough to guess that it would have been a great performance last night without the mistakes. A one-trick-pony would surely have played it safe, and that's something Aliona will never do. I like that attitude, if he fails, he'll fail in style ”

I prefer camilla to aliona. At least camilla could do stuff with her celebs like acting coaches, taking people to the sets that they work in like toms holby surroundings at the time and camilla created choreography that the viewers could understand and relate to easily.
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“...and the apostrophes. I think it's a conspiracy...”

Ah yes, indeed.

But then apostrophes tend to get everywhere, ornery little buggers. They feel misunderstood
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I think people are using bad grammar on purpose to shake off accusations they may have had an educashun. Innit.”

Yeah, because, like, it gives 'em street cred and makes 'em sound like well HARD.

However, scribbling down an unconscious stream of bizarre thought, without pause for breath, highlights just how your mind actually works, and is far, far more dangerous

*snort*
bettyboom43
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Oh dear! Not nice to be doubted is it?”

How old are you - 12?
Frank Mag
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“I believe all the hype and tabloid (Anthony and Peters remarks as well as The Sun) controversy affected him - also he has a knee injury - he left dance school at 13 and is now 25 so hardly a professional. Give the guy a break - he comes across as quite a shy guy - he made no excuses on Saturday - just accepted that he made a mistake and did not complain about the scores. He was miles better than some of the other celebrities who got the same scores. Peter is getting favorable treatment with getting a favorable slot at the end of the program me each week”

Totally agree about your comments regarding Peter Andre, I do hope he gets slot number 2 next week.

Originally Posted by bettyboom43:
“were a little co-incidental after his perfect performance last week and cries of its unfair, he's too trained to be on the show. Cynical I know but I thought that as soon as he finished. It seemed like the kind of a manufactured move that the x factor would orchestrate to manipulate the public .I didn't think the beeb did that but we've all read about the judges on the voice being asked to spin more and being given lines so it wouldn't surprise me. They have always had stage school trained dancers on strictly but Jay is more trained than that and they generally don't win and its a bit embarrassing for the BBC now and they dont want to spoil this year's show if someone is getting 10s in week 3. Last night made it look like last week was fluke and he isn't that perfect. Someone that had that much technique last week and can do turns as perfectly as Jay would not make that many mistakes and lose his balance as much. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. One over balance maybe, two I don't believe. He doesn't have a day job and has plenty of time and the technique and experience not to make that many mistakes in week 4. Anyone else agree?”

In a word . NO
sofakat
18-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“I said used FB I have never seen anything on my newsfeed about Jay whether or not it was written by his mother

Perhaps I had better throw some water over myself”

Hey, you are not alone .

I never knew Twitter was a person and had an opinion all of its own
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