seriously people, can I not give an opinion without assuming I am throwing Jay under the bus for the benefit of my fave doing better. Firstly, Jay dancing badly wouldn't make that "Clifton boy" and his partner dance better would it. Secondly, I am not supporting anyone particular, just watching a show that used to be about teaching celebs that couldn't really dance, to dance better. Jay is an accomplished dancer, learning to dancer even better, I think he is a fantastic dancer and last week his dance was amazing. I just think that possibly he did a dance this week and didn't try as hard as he could of done to take the heat off the fact he got a 10 in week 3, no-one has before, that he probably danced the jive better than Anton would have tbh, and he learnt that level of technique on 1 week, and it was too much pressure for a shy soul like Jay with people delving into his background and calling him a fraud. I am sure he just wants to dance and taking the heat off him for a week would help, To say he couldn't fake a mistake - has no-one ever seen pianists play badly on purpose (les dawson - showing my age now) or people sing out of key for a laugh - it is all over youtube. As for people saying I don't really watch the show, I have watched every show since the first series, I watch dance regularly, in fact I am going to see two dance shows in the next month at the theatre. Tv Shows often do things to manipulate the audience and I don't think anyone has ever got a 10 in week 3 ever and people were complaining about the level of his dance experience.

Personally I don't think there was anything coincidental or intentional with jays mistakes. The dance was packed and fast on top of that, so actually quite easy for even the likes of Jay to miss a step or be out of time. He is human op, he can make mistakes with there being no agenda.

Sorry but I can't read this. I need paragraphs.

It's incredibly DIFFICULT to fake doing that dance badly, there were obvious mistakes and huge efforts to recover.

Therefore you are assuming that Jay is a BRILLIANT dancer. We don't have the evidence for that, he's done well so far and one excellent dance, and then lost it in this one.

You are also suggesting that he would DELIBERATELY try to fool the public, in front of a huge audience, many of whom support and vote for him.

Your opinion of him is gully low, that of a shyster and a cheat, also that he is some brilliant actor who then FEIGNED disappointment, with, presumably, his Svengali like pro.

This is both ludicrous and insulting.

I don't know why you cannot see this.

Not only are you accusing Jay of faking it are you saying that he was acting when he looked upset and needed to be comforted by Aliona. His reaction for mucking up was absolutely genuine and I don't think for one minute that he was making mistakes on purpose. However, you couldn't blame him if he did after the abuse he got from some last week. As I said in a previous post - give the bloke a break. He cant win in some peoples eyes.

It wasn't the first ever week 3 10.
Katie jives better than Anton. It's not that hard to do.

I must have been typing my post when this came through. This is exactly what I was trying to say to the OP but you have put it much better. I find the accusations quite nasty personally.

Ditto
That post (and those like it) make my eyes bleed

Yes fair enough but you are not comparing like with like. The Apprentice has been in the can for weeks before it is shown and the editors obviously have a field day with the available footage before the programme goes to air. Not so with Strictly, I find it difficult (if not unbelievable) to agree with your original post but as you say it is "your opinion" however making comparisons with other RTV shows does not heighten your point, if Jay was that good an actor/performer surely his career would have taken him much further by now?

Footnote: Upon reading further into the thread I note you have said on more than one occasion that no one has ever had a 10 in week three, perhaps but Jake got three 9s at this stage last year and there have probably been others: I seem to recall Sophie and Brendan's Charleston a couple of years back received very high marks early on in the show.

So you think it was all some cunning plan ? They went to all the trouble of nailing the routine (it was fine in dress rehearsal) but they had also carefully rehearsed a few deliberate mistakes to throw in on the night ?
Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to come up with a safe but rather mediocre routine that was good enough to get 7's from the judges. As it is, nothing much has changed. It doesn't dispel the rumours of Jay being an accomplished dancer (if anybody actually cares)...it was a challenging routine with a few errors.

How old are you to have become so cynical?

You haven't taken into account the dance .. a quickstep .. one misstep and you're lost. They had a particularly fast song and it was a fast routine .. possibly a bit ambitious but that's because Aliona believes in him.

You haven't taken into account the zillions of celebs (and even pros) who have gone wrong before .. regardless of ability.

You haven't taken into account the pressure after dancing 'that jive'. There were a lot of eyes on him and expectation.

Most of all you haven't taken into account that he's a decent young man.

I have to agree with this, however she is entitled to her own opinion and so I'm I .. she needs to go to Specsavers.

Poor lad can't do right with some people. Does really well and people moan how unfair it is as he has had previous experience; makes some mistakes and someone accuses him of mucking up deliberately. Give the lad a break and just enjoy the show for what it is-entertainment.

You are making a serious allegation against Aliona, a professional dancer, that she helped her partner to fake a bad performance. There is no way he could have done it on his own without her help. She has a professional reputation to consider. As well, you are suggesting that Jay is capable of not only making mistakes on purpose and being a fraud but also is a brilliant actor who pretended to be disappointed in himself. He was genuinely upset about his performance and it wasn't an act.

You really are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that it was fixed. Can you not just accept that Aliona gave him very difficult choreography which he managed to do in rehearsal but on the night the nerves got the better of him and his mind went blank at times. It happens all the time. Even professional singers can go blank and forget the words of songs. Sorry but your conspiracy theories don't make sense.

That sounds a lot like logic, which has no place in a thread like this!

But...but...but... his nerves are total fake and we've all been duped haven't we?

I felt Aliona gave him a very difficult job to do last night, a bit too ambitious and maybe pushed him too far too soon, as he is a great dancer... Its nice though to see some others start to improve.

How is doing worse making him a shyster and a cheat, surely doing better by dodgy means would make him a cheat.

I just think that if it was done on purpose it would have been to take the pressure of him after excelling so much last week, the expectations were so high or a BBC exec had a quiet word and said to tone it down a bit cos he is too good for this stage in the competition, after all the bad press they have had this week.

I personally didn't think he feigned disappointment, I don't think he looked particularly different from last week when he did brilliantly. That isn't slagging him off, just think he is a shy type of guy and quite understated.

What a load of bloody nonsence . Jay missed a beat and it knocked him off his rythm . And somone thinks he would do it on purpose !! Bullshite !!

Maybe, its just he does spins like a professional, which shows great balance so unusual to lose balance a couple of times.

He does do wonderful spins...

That kind of is my point, the expectation on him after his jive, not having such a good week, would take away the expectation that he would produce the best dance in any competition, I think Bruno said every week. he does seem like a thoroughly decent young man, but perhaps he was embarrassed that he was head and shoulders over the rest - who knows. None of us know him. Apparently Peter Andre is Mr Niceguy, but he has been quite bitchy this week in the press.

What other week 3 has there been? Plus it probably would have been more than one 10 if it wasn't week 3, I think a couple of the judges said, because it is week 3 a 9. If it had been exactly the same dance in week 6, it would have been a definite 39, with Craig giving a 9.

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Sorry, I am not saying he definitely did throw it, but if you wanted to you could easily - the ballroom is all about frame which is unnatural for non pro's, so how difficult would it be if you really wanted to, in ballroom to not hold your frame where it should be, or start off on the wrong foot to put your timing off, or let your free arm do whatever it wanted without placing it or not point you toes, I am not saying he definitely did, but everyone keeps saying it would be almost impossible to fake a mistake, I think it would be pretty easy if you wanted to.