I think he was under too much pressure after getting a near perfect score last week and made mistakes as he is human. A lot of people can do spins like that because spins are things that you do as part of dance technique classes.

I used to go to a class that was just spins/ turn, jumps and kicks for half an hour. It doesn't mean that you can remember or do choreography. It just means that when you get to a bit of the choreography where you do a spin, you can do that bit of it... but only that bit of it ....

[quote=maggie_07;80037797]You are making a serious allegation against Aliona, a professional dancer, that she helped her partner to fake a bad performance. There is no way he could have done it on his own without her help. She has a professional reputation to consider. QUOTE

How would Aliona's partner having one bad week ruin her reputation?

So you thought you would start a provocative thread just because people were complaining about his level of dance experience?


I too found it very difficult to read, so hope my editing will be forgiven. (But frankly, I don't care if it isn't )

I cannot stand the man , I think he's a seasoned performer and so quite a bit of his little-boy-lost act is fake BUT, don't be silly .
Someone prepared to put on the act he does to draw in the mumsy votes is super competitive and there is no way on earth he messed up so badly deliberately . It was dreadful and he was overmarked as well. That was a week one level dance . He made a hash of it , it happens . I even feel sorry for him a tiny bit , but then I know he'll have his 'Super hero rises from the ashes' story running all next week and all the mumsy votes of support , it'll be all about his big comeback .
So not a total disaster darling and his fairy tale will have a happy ending in the form of at least one 10 .Just watch .

Well the thread title is " anyone else think " six pages later the overwhelming answer is No . So time to give up maybe and accept maybe you are wrong ?

OP - Are you aware that you are possibly casting serious aspersions on both Jay and Aliona?

Also Jill Halfpenny who was considered to have the best jive in any series, in week 3 only got 35 points for it, No 10's, which just shows how head and shoulders above the previously good dancers Jay is, which is great to watch. As I said earlier, if it hadn't week 3, her would deffo of got 39 points without a doubt.

If judges don't give the maximum points on a dance that was worthy of it, cos it was week 3 ( I am sure a few said, because it is week 3 when they gave their 9's),then why is it unheard of for a contestant toning down their dance ability.

Judges can hold back on scores cos it is week 3, yet a dancer holding back on week 4 to cool the pressure on it, is of course completely unheard of.

[quote=bettyboom43;80038269]
Obviously because you are accusing them of throwing the dance.

Not at all, if Jay chose of his own free will to tone down his performance because he didn't want the pressure and expectation on him every week or didn't want people dragging up his background which they did all last week, or calling him a fraud cos he has more experience than everyone else, then maybe he did. I say maybe, who knows. Perhaps he thought, this is a saturday night entertainment show not my full time career and I don't need the pressure and aggro everyone is giving me so one bad week would ease the pressure - who knows.

Judges under mark sometimes or over mark other times - some would say that Len only gave Georgia a 9 because of his outburst at her partner last week (I am not saying this but others have) or over mark Jeremy Vine cos he is fun to watch. Does that cast aspersions on Lens judging ability, not really cos it is a saturday night enterntainment show not a proper dance competition. If, and I say If Jay wanted to make his life less stressful, then he might have chosen to, who knows.

[quote=maggie_07;80038337]
So why would that ruin her reputation, it is a Saturday night entertainment show not a professional competition.

You could say the same about Katie. Very good Jive, insipid Cha Cha, then a professional standard VW. Perhaps she's been moonlighting as a professional dancer all these years and Anton is desperately trying to keep it under wraps by giving her the odd routine with terrible choreography.
Even Jamelia managed to come up with a really good Charleston this week. Full of character, it was one of the best dances of the night. That was after being considered one of the no-hopers and among the favourites to go out. All very suspicious if you're determined to look for conspiracies.

What a ridiculous thread. Anyone with half a brain cell could see Jay was very upset. He was reliving the dance in his mind when Claudia was talking to him and you could see his frustration.

[quote=bettyboom43;80038394]
Of course it could ruin her credability in the dancing world . You really need to be careful what you accuse people of

That is the funny thing about opinions, they are not wrong, just different. Yes my opinion is different from everyone elses and that is what forums are about, discussing your opinions, if everyone had the same opinion it would b pretty boring.

Or is it the great phrase that Vicky from Geordie Shore said - Opinions are like orgasms, once I have had mine, I'm not interested in yours!!!

Me too.

[quote=duckylucky;80038428]
So when Anton was dancing with Anne Widdicombe and flying her across the room or Kristina was allowing herself to be dragged across the floor like a sack of spuds by John Seageant or Russell grant was being fired out of a cannon, that was doing great things for the pro dancers reputations. There have been plenty of celebs that couldn't dance, and do normal dances (badly) like Judy Murray for example, but sometimes they must do things for entertainment value or because they are told to regardless of their reputation.

Has anyone who thinks that Jay messed up deliberately never messed up themselves in the middle of a dance class or dance show?

Due to the type of dance I do, the mistakes are more obvious as I've messed up before a floor section before and found myself standing when everyone else was on the floor

A gentleman doesn't treat his partner like that. Besides, now we have Viagra that should no longer be a problem for the ladies.

[quote=duckylucky;80038428]
Sorry, not your fault but the quote in your post made it look like I was agreeing with the OP when the opposite was the case. Just wanted to point that out.

I think it shows that Jay is not as brilliant as people think he is.
He was put on a pedestal after last weeks dancing and, this week a reaction to all the hype happened.Maybe it's done him a hige favour.
How could he cope every week with all that adulation and being told he would be the winner.

Throwing a dance and making a dance fun are not the same thing . If you cant grasp that I give up
The whole thread is telling you you are wrong and on you clump trying to justify it
Whatever

[quote=maggie_07;80038493]
I know ! I am sorry its the way the posts are quoted

Not suspicious at all. None of the people you have mentioned above have been called a fraud, all of their of their dance experience hi-lighted in the press and people saying it is unfair because of how much dance experience they have had in the past so no-one had particularly high expectations. All of the above are mostly non dancers who have improved apart from Goergia. Jay has had considerable dance experience and that shows in his dance ability and technique - he is a great dancer and a joy to watch. Of course dancers have good weeks and bad weeks, as above, I was just saying that perhaps he didn't want the pressure and expectation every one had for him based on his experience and his near perfect dance last week, that is all. As I have said before, if it had been a different week he almost certainly would have got a 39, where do you go from there, would he have been getting 39 or 40 every week for the next 8 weeks. Now it is more interesting to watch, will he have a good week or a bad week. Not such high expectations for him means he can relax a bit more.

Its like Pete always dancing in the last 3 of the night, perhaps he might ask if he could be in the first half of the schedule so people don't keep slagging him off for it. Would that be a conspiracy or just trying to look better in the press and take the pressure off. Who knows.

Oh come on. Do you really think you're comparing like with like here?

La Widdecombe and (slightly less so) John Sergeant wouldn't be able to perform a really good dance if it smacked them in the face whilst Jay is clearly capable of great things.

It will do nobody's reputation any harm if they camp things up for a sparkle 'n' glittah reality show when their partner has two left feet, is 102 years old and has all the rhythm of a hippo on valium.

The same probably can't be said of a pro dancer who deliberately teaches her gifted, young partner how to mess up a complicated routine and then encourages him to act as though he's gutted about it.

I was explaining about professionals ruining reputations as an example, so perhaps you need to grasp what I am saying. I am fine with everyone disagreeing with me, but opinions aren't wrong they are just different.