I thought the production company were at their evil best by having the visit to the pub on the one night of the week they had karaoke until 2am.

Under normal circumstances they warn anyone wanting to book in on a Thursday about it but obviously they couldn't do that for the programme. They never had any chance of winning from the off because of that which is just unfair.

I haven't been on there but from the sound on it's not for me! I'll stick to the criticism and smut on here!

You cannot tell from a few frames on a tv screen what those stains were. Your husband sweats and you end up with marks on your bedding which you don't always remove... fine, but I doubt you'd expect guests to pay £150 a night to sleep with their faces next to those stains.

My own bedding isn't pristine (mostly because we use (laundered!) stuff that is no longer good enough for guests) - but what I accept personally is not relevant to what guests have a right to expect. You (one) can't use stained bedding - regardless of whether the room is priced at £65 per night or £150. Guests cannot know - and shouldn't have to wonder - whether the marks are from spilt tea or orange juice... or if they're going to be sleeping on sweat, urine or semen stains... possibly inadequately laundered because with the right treatments, most stains can be removed.

A £40 reduction? I agree: game-playing was part of the decision but poor standards in an expensive room was the reasonable hook off which the guests were able to hang their underpayments. The Fritton couple's standards enabled that level of deduction.

Not by me. That guy Stevie has been on the fan page for about 3 days now trying to convince everyone they were not gameplaying and were only joking wearing the gloves etc.... then said the place was very bad and a lot edited.


Your not missing anything. People are so scared to upset these Managers etc it does my head in.

Anyway someone from Fritton Arms has come on and is more or less saying that the rooms were cleaned everyday, and that after checking the staff that room had never been allowed dogs in it without anyone knowing about it, and so it carries on, they are also offering a stay of 100.00 as a thank you for all the support they have been given, and there is an email you can send a booking etc. Its quite fun at the moment.... two blokes like rutting stages arguing with each other ha ha.

I think if the bedding is really crisp and clean and white, I dont care what the pillows look like inside to be honest. Life is too short. IF the bedding on the outside was dirty it would be different, but if the room is spotless and clean and well presented and the top bedding is lovely and clean and crisp why would I worry about what was under it.

One point i am interested in though is why did Kathryn not strip the other beds, it was only the ones at Fritton she stripped.....

Anyway life is too short to worry about a few stains on pillow.

I am looking at next weeks, it looks quite interesting and there are 3 pub/inns up against another place cant remember the name in Manchester.

She may have done the same elsewhere, but they may have chosen not to show it. I think Fritton Arms brought a lot on themselves by pulling out drawers and checking the frames for dust etc. They also seemed to enjoy bragging about doing it to all of them.

Shame Sugarbeat won after being so spiteful and looks bad on them as they only received a £5 underpayment anyway after criticisms. They probably would of still won but just look like gameplayers now

I think it's been very unfair lately to pitch such different establishments up against each other last week for instance we had
Bove Town House, a key part of it's business is the healing and therapies that they offer. On their website the apartments are essentially self catering so although they offer accommodation (stunningly decorated btw) it's not their main business/focus. However, the £150 quoted was for an apartment that slept 4 (I think)
Katherine at Treberthan has 3 rooms which she has to offer B & B and she does this to cover her living expenses (sounds like she lost her husband when she was relatively young). Traditional B & B but it does mean she can be better value for money (no staff to pay etc) Although gawd, she needs to invest in a revamp on a room or two
SugarBeat is essentially a mass produced eatery (a former pub turned into a restaurant) catering for large scale food sales. These places are all about volume sales and that is their core business so the accommodation is secondary to the catering . Again they can probably afford to be "Good Value"
Fritton Arms is a hotel and therefore has all the usual expenses associated with that. High staff costs being at the top of the list so although everyone has moaned about the £140 room charge (lovely big rooms btw and a very pretty place to stay) that is the reality of hotels.
That's why I think it's impossible to compare. Time they changed the format and have a level playing field

They're not supposed to compare. They're supposed to judge value for money, as it says in the introduction to every single programme. Si it doesn't matter whether they put a camping site against a five star hotel. You can still judge if what they're charging us reasonable for what they're offering, not what you'd pay if you were going somewhere on holiday, not what you'd charge in your b&b in a back street next to an abattoir, not what you feel like paying because you had a row with the owner - whether it's value for what you're being asked to pay.

Apparently she didnt from the horses mouth... They didnt brag at all, it was done in fun, it was also edited. The boys knew about the message afterwards. The Fritton only did it as a Joke as they couldnt find anything wrong and was messing about. Sian took the drawer out for a giggle never thought she would find anything, and of course they did a lot of dust. They wrote in it, gave a 6. BUT they did not use this find to down pay did they? They gave a full score as like they said the room was perfect and good value for the money. They actually paid full at Treberthen even though there were a few issues, and OVER PAID Bove House, even though they mentioned a couple of issues there as each place was GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY. They are the only ones who played the game right for ages.


The saying goes cheat never prosperer. IF they thought they had won fairly why are they constantly excusing their actions on the Four in the Bed fan page. They had nothing much to complain about. The issues were agreed it was all edited and there were reasons for the issues.


I totally 100 percent agree with your post. The only people who understood the game were Shannon and Trevor, and Sian and Ben. The former only dropped 5.00, the latter paying in full and over paying even with issues.


I agree but they do, and that is why the format isnt working.

So its the last one this week. Thank god for that lol.

So i expect the first one will win, and the last won will loose.

Place your bets.

I found out something interesting yesterday, and I was kind of right in what i was thinking.

The first place gets the easy ride, as everyone starts there with the filming etc, and the last one gets the worse ride, as they are away from their place the longest, and therefore not in charge of their establishment, which kind of makes sense.

They do not get time to check when they all arrive back for filming, and rely heavily on staff.

I think that is why Kathryn was kind when she found the stained pillows and duvet, she actually said on camera it was a HOUSEKEEPING issue rather then manager, and she also said direct to Fritton Managers, you wouldnt have even known about it.....

It makes sense now to me, as I couldnt understand why she only took off 15.00 as to be honest she had every right to take off a lot more but she didnt.

However, at the FIRST PLACE, she took off 20.00 for the clock........

When i first started watching 4inabed I thought they did the filming over a few months, at each place, but its only been in this last run of episodes I have learnt they have to go off for at least two weeks.

Obviously it doesnt excuse the messy rooms, hairs, or stains, BUT I could never understand why some of these really good managers would leave things.... dirty and not check. So basically it is a staffing and house keeping issue. To be totally fair every place should at least have 24/48 hours to check through their rooms and rectify any faults they might find to balance out the fairness of property 1.

Like the couple a few weeks back with the STAINED SHEETS and the TOWELS the one block week which has been removed....from Channel 4. It makes sense if she was away and relying on house keeping staff to do the rooms, and not having time to check everything when they got there to film their section. I actually wonder if it is THAT PROPERTY who might be taking some sort of action against the producers rather then the winners...... as they were made to look really stupid.

In between filming the contestants stay at a nearby places, and they are not allowed to talk to each other......

So basically if your the first one you should be at an advantage......

So lets see what happens this week.

Blimey. Bit of an over-reaction... you're not forced to watch...


Participants go home at the weekend between the two weeks of filming so 2nd to go and last to go are away from their properties approximately the same period of time.


The managers set the standards for staff to implement. If the managers require stained duvets, pillows, etc, to be removed for cleaning / replaced at changeover that's what housekeeping does - unless they are very poorly trained or dilatory. In any event, the responsibility lies with the owners / managers.

Without a doubt.

This week. Sorry if there are any mistakes, I was a bit rushed!!!!


The contest begins at in the Scottish Borders, which is run by Eileen Walsh and her Portuguese partner Emanuel Forte.
http://northbridgebb.co.uk/
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_R..._Scotland.html



The contest continues at The Golden Fleece in Ruleholme, Cumbria, run by chef Robert Cowan and his partner, Sylvia Spark. Before long, guests Eileen and Emmanuel pick up on cleanliness issues.
http://www.thegoldenfleececumbria.co.uk/
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_R...a_England.html



The contestants travel to The Bubble Inn in Stenson, Derbyshire for the third day of the competition, where unsightly stains and security leave some of them less than impressed. Manager and ex-semi-professional boxer Connie Eleftheriou is keen to take his rivals in the ring with him, however the real damage happens when Emmanuel is taken to hospital after some overenthusiastic dancing at a Greek-themed night.
http://www.thebubbleinn.com/contact.html
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_R...e_England.html



Melinda Beckett-Hughes is the final host of the week at Ayuda House in Greater Manchester - and as she has spent the week picking fault, the guests expect perfection from her.
http://www.ayudahouse.co.uk/
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_R...e_England.html


The B&B owners meet for the last time to find out what they have been paid and settle some old scores. Eileen and Emmanuel from North Bridge Street want to get to the bottom of Melinda and Stewart's dirty bin comments as well as challenging Melinda's shower issues. Robert and Sylvia from the Golden Fleece try to defend their breakfast disaster, but also pull Eileen and Emmanuel up on their low score.


Any predictions on the week to come?!

Sylvia will wake up and find Robert in the shower and it will have been all one big dream. Thanks for the link ewoodie.

How brilliant to return from the prog and say they won. Their bosses must have been thrilled, until the prog aired. Now they will see what happened and just how they have been perceived.

But did the win reflect badly on the winners? The Sugar Beat or the manager and his sidekick or both? The bosses will see how their representatives behaved and have been perceived.......................

Sorry it's a bit late!

It's ages yet before the show starts. Plenty of time to check them out. You're very good to do it every week.

Absolutely. The buck stops with whoever is in charge.

No blimey you over reacted, I was JOKING you know nudge nudge wink wink..... after the last few weeks its been more stressful watching 4 in a bed then changing a catheter

Yes i know they can go home middle of week, BUT if they are LAST then it still means they have to for some extent rely on their staff, and yes they are responsible overall, but at LEAST I can see how they might get caught out, just the same as sugar beat, I mean that amount of dust is UNFORGIVABLE and if its there, then it must be around the room too.

Fritton Arms have had a lesson about their standards and they have excepted that and know that things need to be changed, that's partly what the programme is about, but that's not the issue, the issue was the boys allegedly finding tons of things wrong with the room they were in, (highly edited) when all they could prove was the stain on the mattress cover, the rest has been disputed.

I actually said to the staff at Fritton that their staff need training better as every time they change a bed they need to make sure the pillows etc are clean. They except that was lacking, but apart from the bedding Kathryn found a clean room, so did Bove House. They excepted the low payment from Kathryn and probably would have expected around the same from the boys, but the amount was way beyond what they found.

Anyway like I said one more week thank god, then we can get back to normal... until Coach Trip hopefully....

Yeh the first one will win and the last won will loose....

I agree. Will the manager and sidekick get in trouble with the real bosses/owners when they see them behaving like complete nitwits in order to win????

Thanks ewoodie

My predictions;

Scottish Borders: (1st)
+ nice looking, cheep prices, good website.
- I'm not sure about parking (on a town road )

The Golden Fleece: (2nd)
+ Looks good average prices.
- On a main road , cleanliness and chef issues have been remarked upon. (Expect there to be you've been 'fleeced' jokes )

The Bubble Inn: (4th)
+ Looks nice. (Moving quickly on!)
- Own court yard sounds good but not private, Children OLDER than 12 years are welcome, Children's cots/cribs are NOT available, ONLY a cooked breakfast , Family rooms (opening soon) "April 2015"!, noise complaints not being dealt with,
x2-- breakfast between 7:30 to 8:30, food/chef, OWNERS!

Ayuda House: (3rd)
+ Some good prices, ok'sh decour.
- Some rooms have to share a bathroom (I think 2 doubles and a single), Originally just a large modern house adapted to a B&B (probably divorced ), children still around expect personal items in rooms, the owner still see's it as her house than her business (has used the shared bathroom before :0)
x2- looks like she has been extra critical over the stays so the others will be out for her blood!

All have FREE WI-FI! . I'm going to go out on a limb here but I think there might be an issue with the sausages this week?

Two Pub/restuarants in the mix.

And I see we have a "full Cumbrian breakfast" on offer at one!

Its in the nature of old inns and pubs that they were sited on busy thoroughfares, if the place has taken the trouble to double glaze I don't think they should be penalized. Even then some places can't double glaze due to listed status. Mind you being sensible about things has never been a 4iab player's strong point, has it?

I do hope, for this last week, we're going to see some good-old fashioned shower trap inspection! It seems weeks since a competitor had a proper poke around the plumbing!