Sadly we can't all be as clever as the people what read The Mirror. Or James Jordan.

Are you suggesting that the DM readers are clever because they don't want to watch ringers dancing on a Saturday night?

Good point about the poll.

Reminded me of this scene from Yes Prime Minister about leading questions:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

Depending on what comes before the poll Q affects you and can determine your answer.

So when you hear JJ talk about unfairness then you get asked the poll Q you think "well yes it is a bit unfair" because you've had it drilled into you by the article.

Had the article been a tribute to Jays Jive with a video and Someone like James Jordan saying this is what makes strictly great, the variety of contestants and being able to see amazing dances like this followed by the question: do you like seeing celebs with a variety of experience on SCD?, the result of the poll would likely be far more positive.

That's quite the non-sequitur.

Nope, I mean that the people who willingly read The Mirror (and associated tabloids) have limited critical appraisal skills in general. Robert Maxwell, phone hacking - what exactly does it have to recommend it as an ethical or trustworthy source of news?

I think people watch the show for different reasons. I have watched since the first series and have to say that I support people I like whether they have had any experience or not. I liked Natalie Gumede, Caroline Flack and I like Jay. I also enjoyed watching Steve Backshall and Mark Benton. Its all about entertainment for me. Who can forget Chris Parker from series one. Absolutely useless but came second because he was entertaining. Someone can dance like a professional but if I don't like them, then I wont support them.

As has been said, celebrities probably don't take part with an expectation to win. They are probably there for three reasons - learning to dance, furthering their career and money. Lets face it, once they lift the glitterball that's the end of it as far as we are concerned. We move on and look forward to being entertained next year. I don't think winning will guarantee that the celebrity will go on to greater things.

Assuming you directed your post to me (it's directly below mine and questions my assertion that he should keep his gob shut), a friendly word of advice to you. Before parachuting into a discussion and starting firing your opinions right, left and centre I would suggest you read the previous posts to get some context. When I said he should keep his gob shut it was relating to what dancingbearbear had previously replied to me:

"Not sure what has happened between them in the past, but he made a 'joke' at the the start of this series along the lines of how she had obviously been paired with DoD to stop her sleeping with her partner. And fair enough, it's very possibly true, but to say it publicly about a former colleague and someone your wife is still working with on a regular basis is pretty poor behaviour."

So, when I say that he should keep his gob shut it was in relation to this particular incident (although it wouldn't be a bad idea that he kept his mouth shut AT ALL TIMES) because what he said it's not only absolutely none of his business - Kristina's love life doesn't concern him one bit - but also libellous - 1) it involves someone's private life; 2) he's also saying that a corporation took actions that could not possibly be known to him. So, yes, he should have kept his big gob shut, but what harm a couple of tweets implying someone is a slut could do, eh? I live for the day that someone takes him to court. The problem is, he is such a non entity that nobody gives a toss what he says.


That makes us two, then. The Mirror manages to be worse than The Sun AND The Daily Fail combined.

I don't know what you lot are worried about - I'm waiting for his fallout when he accepts that the Sunday results show isn't live....

I'm always watching.

(Mwahahahahhaa)

Oh God! Did he really say that about Kristina? How unprofessional! He'd have a fit if anyone talked about Ola in that way.
You're right though .. most people rise above it .. they probably think 'here I am on the show and there you are ... at home .. typing cr*p into your computer in the hopes of raising your profile.' Sad little man!

I think it was during the launch show, or the first performance, though it seems to have been deleted now (deletes a lot of tweets, does Shimmy Jimmy. It's almost as if he tweets without really thinking it through )

But the implication was certainly that K & DoD had been paired specifically for reasons of avoiding another Kristina-partner relationship developing.
As I said earlier, it's very possible that was the reason, but the ''nudge nudge, wink wink" comment wasn't especially classy (shocking, I know!)

Good grief! Get off your high horse. My post wasn't directed at you or any other individual poster. You were not the only person to use the word gob on this thread, not even the first. My point was James was being interviewed by a magazine when he made his comments, so why should he not be allowed to share his opinion? Does he run off at the mouth sometimes? Yes, he does, but not always. His tweets during the live show make a lot of sense. And I agreed with James that John Sergeant should not have withdrawn from the show. His comment about Kristina was inappropriate. As for his comments about the BBC, he's likely to know more about what goes on than anybody on here. I happen to agree with what he said during the magazine interview and said so, also pointing the result of the poll at the bottom of the Mirror article reporting on the magazine interview. He's hardly the devil incarnate. The gossip mongers on here on the other hand remind me of the old women who sat knitting around the guillotine during the French revolution.

Has anyone actually stated or implied that he's in some way evil? Mostly people are amused/bemused by the ranting buffoonery, rather than viewing him as satanic, aren't they?

[as an aside, do you frequent another well-known forum? It was bugging me why your 'knitting' allusion seemed familiar, then I remembered that I'd stumbled upon a similarly worded comment on another forum recently. Small world, possibly?]

My horse can be high but I bet he is far more intelligent than James Jordan will ever be. FACT.

To me james is going on like an absolute bellend lol. 😂 😂 😂 😂

Another row.
This is getting to be a habit.

The word boorish is perfect to describe him. He did some lovely dances when he was on the show but once off the dance floor I didn't want to watch or hear him.

He's beginning to sound more and more of a nobhead each day lol. 😂

The problem with agreeing with Mr Jordan on <seemingly> anything is that you have to be more adept at spinning, spotting and changing direction than Anita because he volte faces without a backward glance ( ). The week before John Sargaent resigned, he was all over ITT like a rash being grumpy that the best dancer(slash his partner) had been eliminated over the popular one and it wasn't fair, something should be done ... and other hard done by mutterings. John Sargesnt falls on his sword - and he's all over ITT like a rash being grumpy about that. If i remember it right, virtually the first words out of his mouth on the ITT Sargeant Controversy Special where something like 'it might sound like I'm contradicting myself'. No James, it didn't just sound like it. You were.

Bottom line is that his opinion is based on how the situation affects him or Ola at any particular moment in time, subject to change. That's fine. He's only human - but when you are peddling your options as FACT so forcibly, you have to accept that people do notice when there is a turn around. And laugh.

Next he'll be telling us that life is not fair either.

To be honest ola it's safe to say won't be a dancer in SCD anymore next season.

Must say I was very surprised that Ola was offered a contract this year.

She must have been in breach of her contract last year when she had her injury whilst in training for another show on another channel.

Not keen on Ola's 'professional sad, hard done by, simpering' look but maybe being married to Shimmy Jimmy Jordan inspires just that.

I'm not a fan of either of the Jordan's, but Ola, I think, was getting on well with all her fellow pros this year and certainly seemed in a much better/more professional mindset than she was at times last year.

If it weren't for her big mouthed hubby then I wouldn't think there would be any reason she wouldn't be asked back. They are a package deal though so I wonder if it's easier to keep him slightly tied to the show via Ola than cutting him loose to spout all sorts if she's not there.

In fairness to Ola she had a boorish ego driven celeb this year so I am sure that's why she seemed sad. I liked both her and her hubbie on the show, fair enough their choreography was predictable and limited in most dances but occasionally both managed really great dances.
Both often managed to get mediocre dancers further on in the competition than other pros were able to do. Other than the Karen incident which from the BBCs own statement paints Ola as the victim ( and one should never blame a victim) they both seem to have been well liked by other pros and known for making cups of teas and sharing their home with new celebs.
All this having been said I don't like the calender, don't like the fact she has done it, find it rather tacky to be honest, however if she and James want to go down that line it is their choice and as Ola has been promoted and used by the BBC for her sexuality( the previous interview) and the numerous skimpy costumes and cat suits allowed to be used by her and made by wardrobe, I don't think the BBC can now complain if she chooses to use her sexuality.

I don't like the calender as there is a certain " yuk" factor for me imagining what use these images could be used for, however plenty of other very savvy women do similar things, Dita Von Teese for example and they don't seem to have a problem with that yuk factor.

Go for it Ola a dancers professional life is short enough and really not paid enough to provide long term financial security. I wouldn't do it and would hope no child of mine would but if that's your and your hubbies choice go for it.

Same goes for Kristina's calender, do it if you want to.

I can help wondering if they NEED rather than want to in which case it's rather sad.

They have had good years together on Strictly and most people get used to a lifestyle and standard of life.

James seems to think they have a future as 'celebrities' and that would be potentially a way to earn money.
If the number of posts on this thread is anything similar to his effect on sales of whatever publication he contributes to, then we are probably proving him to be right.

I think he wants a life of a zeleb, doing fck all 24/7 and getting paid for that. I do not know if it is that strong in other countries, but UK has an obsession with zelebrieties so you can actually live comfortably like that.