Originally Posted by Neio:
“But there's been an American version of the show for years?”
“But there's been an American version of the show for years?”
The US version actually existed before ours did.
How the hell did those two idiots escape being fired???
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Originally Posted by lammtarra:
“Karren was wrong, incidentally, about seeing the chef for the mussels. OK, maybe the chef or manager might have been open to persuasion but the women should have swallowed the fine rather than even approaching hotels or restaurants.
Even if the chef or manager had sold the shellfish, they'd have needed to charge an amount to compensate for their lost profit, which would have been more than the penalty price. That is without taking account of the time wasted which could have been spent looking for other items.”
“Karren was wrong, incidentally, about seeing the chef for the mussels. OK, maybe the chef or manager might have been open to persuasion but the women should have swallowed the fine rather than even approaching hotels or restaurants.
Even if the chef or manager had sold the shellfish, they'd have needed to charge an amount to compensate for their lost profit, which would have been more than the penalty price. That is without taking account of the time wasted which could have been spent looking for other items.”
indeed buying them at the sale pice plus a mark up from the restaurant was almost certianly going to cots as much, or more, than being penalised at the wholesale or original price plus £50.
Their problem with the dingy was more understandable . They had no cost comparison and didn't know what was reasonable, cheap, or overpriced, or what the penalty price would be. We still don't know if the guide price was nearer £10 or 250.
Originally Posted by Rutakateki:
“You're right, Karren was wrong- you can't buy 10kg of mussels from a restaurant. Might as well get on a bus and ask the driver if you can buy all his petrol.”
“You're right, Karren was wrong- you can't buy 10kg of mussels from a restaurant. Might as well get on a bus and ask the driver if you can buy all his petrol.”
I wonder how much 10kg of mussels would make up out of a restaurant's supply?
Even if they could sell them the mussels they'd have to pay way over the odds for them to pay for all the faffing around the restaurant would have to do to order some more to ensure that they don't run out.
A restaurant is only really going to order enough mussels that they actually intend to use aren't they? I can't see how they'd over-order one day and have 10kg of mussels left over and going spare.
I'd say LS is saving up the more explosive ones for a double or even triple firing when a task goes so wrong it makes a picard facepalm look weak.
Originally Posted by lightdragon:
“Blimey the female team is in such disarray atm.
I think between the two options of Vana and Elle, Vana possibly was the better choice for PM, she was autocratic, but Elle was a complete mess just from being sub-team leader, so gawd knows how bad she would've handled all of it. It also seems like a top idea to separate Charleine and Selina.
Why oh why didn't Jenny bring up her quest to source the lace? That might have saved her.
All things being equal, I thought it was going to be a triple firing, Vana finding it funny that C & S were at each others throats should've been the final nail in her coffin (although prior to the series I did say I thought her business plan might be up LAS' alley so she'd go far). Elle can't handle pressure. Jenny was just a spare wheel.”
“Blimey the female team is in such disarray atm.
I think between the two options of Vana and Elle, Vana possibly was the better choice for PM, she was autocratic, but Elle was a complete mess just from being sub-team leader, so gawd knows how bad she would've handled all of it. It also seems like a top idea to separate Charleine and Selina.
Why oh why didn't Jenny bring up her quest to source the lace? That might have saved her.
All things being equal, I thought it was going to be a triple firing, Vana finding it funny that C & S were at each others throats should've been the final nail in her coffin (although prior to the series I did say I thought her business plan might be up LAS' alley so she'd go far). Elle can't handle pressure. Jenny was just a spare wheel.”
Another top idea would be to fired them both because both are so catty and will always undermine any PM or others ideas.
Originally Posted by annie24601:
“I'm starting to like Elle, I think she has some common sense.
Vana was one of my favourites from auditions but I think she was a bad pm and is likely to go soon”
“I'm starting to like Elle, I think she has some common sense.
Vana was one of my favourites from auditions but I think she was a bad pm and is likely to go soon”
I think Vana is vile.
Originally Posted by Lushness:
“I liked this about her. Zero cattiness in the boardroom and actually took responsibility for her error in the task. You rarely see that. In fairness Vana took responsibility too but not so pleasant.”
“I liked this about her. Zero cattiness in the boardroom and actually took responsibility for her error in the task. You rarely see that. In fairness Vana took responsibility too but not so pleasant.”
Wel, from an editing point of view she was right, as Jenny did seem to be a dead weight
But perhaps not that English to actually say that out loud
Originally Posted by GillT07:
“I think Vana should have gone. But it seems that Lord Sugar is prepared to forgive horrific mistakes, as long as the person owns them and doesn't try to blame someone else for them. Rather that than trying to stay in the background and contributing nothing.”
“I think Vana should have gone. But it seems that Lord Sugar is prepared to forgive horrific mistakes, as long as the person owns them and doesn't try to blame someone else for them. Rather that than trying to stay in the background and contributing nothing.”
I believe he also has a bias against firing the team leader. He will do it, as per the second task, but they have to screw up really badly, and/or have other problems too. (For example, Aisha did everything wrong on task, and brought the wrong person back to the boardroom, showing she still didn't understand why she'd failed.)
That said, someone who does badly as PM without getting fired will often get fired on another task soon after. Vana's card is marked.
Originally Posted by StratusSphere:
“I am surprised that Elle was dragged over the coals for 'ignoring her business instincts' and buying the boat when a) the boat wasn't what lost them the task - the penalties for missing items was - and b) she decided against buying the boat from the outset, and only bought it in the end because Vana, her manager, outright told her to buy it. What else could she have done in that situation?”
“I am surprised that Elle was dragged over the coals for 'ignoring her business instincts' and buying the boat when a) the boat wasn't what lost them the task - the penalties for missing items was - and b) she decided against buying the boat from the outset, and only bought it in the end because Vana, her manager, outright told her to buy it. What else could she have done in that situation?”
They spent £250 on the boat, and the men spent £10, so that was a £240 difference. The fines were only £150, so the boat was the bigger reason for failure. They lost by £316 overall, so no one item could have made a difference. (I agree with your second point, though.)
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I believe he also has a bias against firing the team leader. He will do it, as per the second task, but they have to screw up really badly, and/or have other problems too. (For example, Aisha did everything wrong on task, and brought the wrong person back to the boardroom, showing she still didn't understand why she'd failed.)
That said, someone who does badly as PM without getting fired will often get fired on another task soon after. Vana's card is marked.”
“I believe he also has a bias against firing the team leader. He will do it, as per the second task, but they have to screw up really badly, and/or have other problems too. (For example, Aisha did everything wrong on task, and brought the wrong person back to the boardroom, showing she still didn't understand why she'd failed.)
That said, someone who does badly as PM without getting fired will often get fired on another task soon after. Vana's card is marked.”
I wouldn't say he exactly has a bias against firing them. He just doesn't automatically point the finger at them. He will fire the team leader if he genuinely thinks they are the worst person there. In Series 9, there were only three tasks where the losing PM was not fired (assuming that you consider Jason a losing PM - I think of both him and Luisa to be losing PMs on that task). In Series 8, on the other hand, there were only two tasks where a PM was fired.
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