Jenny's firing was nasty. Apart from the the fact she didn't have an opportunity to do much but sit in the car and talk about her fathers antiqities () what was she supposed to do? LS let the two candidates responsible carry for the huge overspend carry on.

That last boardroom was seriously just a lot of bollocks; and I'm slowly starting to hate these chasing a list tasks, too, too random and no consistency from series to series (1 quid paper skeleton not okay, 10 quid toy boat great).

She was awful . Both in the process and in the boardroom . Very bullish . She seemed to think being mouthy and rude is the same as taking charge . I can't stand her at all .

The catty sniping in the taxi was embarrassing . She was totally out to take full control by fair means or foul , yet a good pm should take all comments on board . OK, then mentally dismiss them if they find them useless, but do it with dignity .
I shouldn't get personal , but her make up is so harsh and unforgiving it grinds my gears . I don't know what she is thinking with that goth looking thickly applied aging eye-liner .

She and Charleine need to leave sharpish if tonight was anything to go on. They were bullies, the pair of them. Unprofessional doesn't cover it.

It was an absolute joke that Vana stayed.

Lord Shuggs kept making the point that it was spiced up by strategically placing items where they should be found ... and how the teams had all night to think about things and plan accordingly ... and how it was all about logistics ... and he fired someone for not buying!

What's the point of having a task if the PM fails to plan, fails to take advice about where things can be found, goes for snails rather than the mirror, makes a stupid decision about the boat, thinks that "a whole cheese" means a bit of cheese made with whole milk (despite it being explained to her!) thereby buying the wrong thing and having the team penalised, yet she still survives?

It's not so much that Jenny was fired, but Vana staying in? His Lordship just came across as a complete dipstick in my opinion.

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I have to say that I agree with you.
We didn't know much about Jenny, but you could tell as soon as she opened her mouth and spoke she's probably better than quite a few of them there. If you were to interview her for a job you'd probably want to employ her.

I too am getting sick of these tasks where Alan Sugar decides on some subjective reason where he can make any old nonsense up to fire or save somebody. Often it doesn't make sense when he fires somebody for a reason which didn't seem to be a problem in another week's task when it was somebody else in the firing line.
I think I prefer reasons which are based on quantifiable results. For example, you sell more things than the other team, or you make more profit than the other team.

She said herself that she was the best negotiator but didn't buy anything, sounds like a bit of a contradiction in terms to me. Right person left imo.

Either or both of the other two should have gone for a woeful lack of planning.

That said, perhaps Jenny talks a good game without actually doing anything. Not just in in this task but also in life. She's a recent graduate but never seems to have started or run her own business alongside her studies and even now, on You're Fired, Jenny's involvement in a startup sounded impressive till she added she was just out of her probationary period: in other words, Jenny was not a founder but merely an employee.

Nothing wrong with that and you could say the same of previous winners but in Ricky and Mark's cases, they were essentially continuing in their previous fields, but for themselves.

I don't know. Jenny being fired later on would not worry me but here there were more obvious candidates for the sack. We know Lord Sugar tends to give PMs the benefit of the doubt, and prefers action to inaction, but this is the second dodgy firing this series and we've only had three tasks.

I don't think you can say that Jenny doesn't do anything. She seemed to do something last week, when Charleine considered her to be the strongest player out of the girls. Her photoshoot was praised by the public.

I think that the firing depends more on the candidate's business plan than anything else.

Well if it did, why even try to hide that? Being upfront would actually be more credible. If Lord Sugar had said to Jenny, 'Tell me about your business plan' and it sounded rubbish, I'd have had more sympathy for him firing her. (Of course, then I'd wonder why she was allowed on the show in the first place, but if a flaw came out with her business plan that was not evident from a one-sentence description, that would be fine.)

Exactly.

Which is ruining the programme for me, because Sugar knows all 18 business plans, and before a ball is bowled I'm sure he has narrowed it down to no more than four possibilities, in which case the other fourteen might as well not bother turning up. It's just a case of which order the fourteen who were never going to get to the interview stage, no matter how brilliant they are get eliminated.

I agree, Vana only managed to source and negotiate the glasses by chance and didn't have to make much effort; she never spoke in french where she claimed to have strengths and others clearly had no french or basic french . She also made the critical errors with telling team to buy boat and incorrectly instructing on buying cheese; don't understand why Lord Sugar kept her in. She also clearly lacks in people skills which is important for business.

It made no sense to me that Vana escaped firing. I liked her up until this week, but she planned badly, in an almost arbitrary fashion and at the same time, ruled out the possibility of reassigning the tasks at a later stage. She was catty and vindictive, and her, "We're not giving you the mirror" seemed like the the attitude of a child in the playground. Ditto her instruction to "Just hang up"

By contrast, Jenny seemed quite level-headed and competent. I was surprised she was dragged into the final boadroom, and I thought LS might give Vana a roasting just for that. To actually be fired in place of Vana made no sense at all to me. Vana made glaring errors and was unpleasant to boot.

I thought after Jenny had gone that we were in for a double firing with Elle taking the lonely ride back to the house.

I agree that Vana should have gone. Karren kept commenting on the complete lack of planning and strategy under Vana's leadership - and Vana was bitchy, too. Unprofessional on both counts.

If they don't hide that then it would send a clear message to the viewer watching that the results of the tasks are pointless. Which would mean that it would be tricky to dramatically engage the viewer if they have the knowledge that the tasks don't mean much or have any bearing on the final result.

Had a look at Jenny's profile on the official BBC site

A keen feminist

although she didn't act like one.

If that was on the profile Lord Sugar had, she was sunk.

When Vana started laughing when the other contestant started mocking Jenny, that might have been the thing which made my mind up there and then that she isn't the right person I'd want to go into a partnership with.

I also didn't like Karen accusing Jenny of planning what excuses she can make when she's in the boardroom.
That's the whole point of the boardroom. You have excuses at the ready to defend yourself in the boardroom. That's the entire point of going back into the boardroom to fight your corner.
If you don't think about what excuses you've got and have nothing ready to defend yourself with then you'd probably share the same fate as Dan in episode one.

don't know about her leaving but she comes across very conniving type, her wry smirks at other contestants, maybe Sugar retained her position in the process because of her looks

Was there reason to?
On 'You're fired' she made the point that she'd rather be respected for her abilities as a businessperson rather than rely on feminine wiles.

But it's what she put on her profile.

I suppose in one sense all the women contestants are, or they wouldn't have applied.

Problem is the very word 'femanist' usually doesn't help the cause of the person who describes themselves thus.

It has too many negative 'troublemaker' connotations for it to be something to openly put on your cv.

That wasn't what I was answering you about, but taking your point on board about how describing yourself as such may not always do yourself any favours, you may be right. I suppose it depends on what job you're applying for and the people who will be considering whether to hire you or not.

In what way did Jenny not behave like a feminist?

Vans must have a damn good business plan to have been kept on. What a repulsive creature, she was even smirking when Jenny was fired, I thought that would have signalled the end for her.
But we know it's all set up for ratings, so Vana will last a while as the "one we love to hate". There has to be at least one in every series. But can anyone imagine going in to work and seeing that sour faced harridan every day ?