Asides Aaron winning which was our choice it does seem to me that BBBOTS more often than not get it their own way who wins and seems to me that it manipulates the viewing public to vote a certain way. Wonder if anyone kind of shares my view on this?
Are BBBOTS too influential who wins?
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“I don't think Rylan's favourites ever win.”
“I don't think Rylan's favourites ever win.”
Does my head in when Rylan acts in a way that's biased.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Asides Aaron winning which was our choice it does seem to me that BBBOTS more often than not get it their own way who wins and seems to me that it manipulates the viewing public to vote a certain way. Wonder if anyone kind of shares my view on this?”
“Asides Aaron winning which was our choice it does seem to me that BBBOTS more often than not get it their own way who wins and seems to me that it manipulates the viewing public to vote a certain way. Wonder if anyone kind of shares my view on this?”
I doubt it, as hardly any one watches that crap show..
Originally Posted by MiniMeToo:
“I doubt it, as hardly any one watches that crap show..”
“I doubt it, as hardly any one watches that crap show..”
Quite sure the feed will out rate it soon.
They always try but they often fail.
The biggest fail for BOTS and support for the viewers was Aaron. They ripped into him so viciously all the time, no matter what he did, he constantly got the blame. So, I was so happy when he won (and he remains by fave ever HM). The pure hatred coming from that show was horrible. It wasn't even the odd bad comment, it was said by the panellists, the audience and even the presenters that came across as very below the belt. Makes me laugh they were pushing for a Alex or Jay win. Would have been terrible
Luka A, Sam, Chloe were certainly not BOTS faves, they were IMO default winners. Helen, don't get me started on her.
With CBB, I cant remember who was being pushed for the win on BOTS, but I certainly don't think it was Paddy, Denise and even Gary (there was speak on how a Brit had to win, eg. Audley).
The only times I think BOTS and the voters were in agreement were the victories of Rylan, Charlotte and James. They tried to push Price for a little bit.
My regular BB selection has been poor, only Aaron won from who I wanted to, but for CBB, I have been luckier. I wanted Gary and James to win CBB14 and CBB16, didn't mind Charlotte winning CBB12, Julian winning CBB10 or Rylan winning CBB11.
The only series that were ultimate NO winners for me was BB14, BB15, BB16 and CBB9.
The biggest fail for BOTS and support for the viewers was Aaron. They ripped into him so viciously all the time, no matter what he did, he constantly got the blame. So, I was so happy when he won (and he remains by fave ever HM). The pure hatred coming from that show was horrible. It wasn't even the odd bad comment, it was said by the panellists, the audience and even the presenters that came across as very below the belt. Makes me laugh they were pushing for a Alex or Jay win. Would have been terrible
Luka A, Sam, Chloe were certainly not BOTS faves, they were IMO default winners. Helen, don't get me started on her.
With CBB, I cant remember who was being pushed for the win on BOTS, but I certainly don't think it was Paddy, Denise and even Gary (there was speak on how a Brit had to win, eg. Audley).
The only times I think BOTS and the voters were in agreement were the victories of Rylan, Charlotte and James. They tried to push Price for a little bit.
My regular BB selection has been poor, only Aaron won from who I wanted to, but for CBB, I have been luckier. I wanted Gary and James to win CBB14 and CBB16, didn't mind Charlotte winning CBB12, Julian winning CBB10 or Rylan winning CBB11.
The only series that were ultimate NO winners for me was BB14, BB15, BB16 and CBB9.
Yeah they definitely try to be but can't really pull it off. I think they're more in touch with the crowd than the voting.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Quite sure the feed will out rate it soon.”
“Quite sure the feed will out rate it soon.”
That's what I'm thinking.
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“Yeah they definitely try to be but can't really pull it off. I think they're more in touch with the crowd than the voting.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.”
“Yeah they definitely try to be but can't really pull it off. I think they're more in touch with the crowd than the voting.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.”
Exactly, some would say BOTS was doing it on purpose during BB12 because they knew Aaron had a lot of fans, meaning if they ripped him to pieces, the fans would vote more to save him (as it was VTS), so C5 probably were rubbing their hands together.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Exactly, some would say BOTS was doing it on purpose during BB12 because they knew Aaron had a lot of fans, meaning if they ripped him to pieces, the fans would vote more to save him (as it was VTS), so C5 probably were rubbing their hands together.”
“Exactly, some would say BOTS was doing it on purpose during BB12 because they knew Aaron had a lot of fans, meaning if they ripped him to pieces, the fans would vote more to save him (as it was VTS), so C5 probably were rubbing their hands together.”
It was C5s stupidity for showing him in a bad way. Trouble is Salv* the show is managed too much TOWIE style and the format needs changing rapidly. I think we owe c5 **** all to be honest really for what they want.
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“Yeah they definitely try to be but can't really pull it off. I think they're more in touch with the crowd than the voting.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.”
“Yeah they definitely try to be but can't really pull it off. I think they're more in touch with the crowd than the voting.
As much as BOTS may change the odd opinion and create hate campaigns, they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way.
It's a shame what the show has become. I tend to comment this alot whenever BOTS gets brought up, but it used to be such harmless fun when Russell Brand was the host of the aftershow. Anyone getting too nasty or bitchy just looked rather silly, whereas now it's like a competition over who can be the most insulting. I say leave that drama and pettiness to the house.”
I get sick of the bias being put on by BBBOTS and the production team. Rylan let's them behave like idiots, he has no control whatsoever of what goes on. I don't think he's professional enough to host, although the crew at c5 and endemol like him it would seem.
I think it's necessary to distinguish between things like Rylan's favourites (Jackie Travers anyone?), which I don't think make much difference, and things like the choice of clips, comments from the panel, who was picked for the panel, opinions from psych 'experts', and opinions about more substantial matters from the presenters.
I don't think a 'BOTS favourite' is necessarily who they're 'pushing to win'. But also, it's not only about who wins. Aaron won despite whatever BOTS threw at him, but Faye was evicted (against Louise of all people), and even many of Aaron's supporters were turning against her. Her eviction interview demolished many of the negative pictures that had been built up, and for that and other reasons I think her eviction helped Aaron's chances more than harmed them, but BOTS influence may still have been a factor in those pictures and in the eviction vote.
While it's true that, as meglosmurmurs said, "they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way", that doesn't mean it all balances out, and I don't think that voting is as much as matter of fanbases as is sometimes claimed. There can be more than one effect on fanbases too, as in Faye's case with Aaron's fans.
Also, while it's true that far fewer people watch BOTS than watch the highlights shows, it's not at all clear that BOTS viewers are only an insignificant proportion of those who vote.
I don't think a 'BOTS favourite' is necessarily who they're 'pushing to win'. But also, it's not only about who wins. Aaron won despite whatever BOTS threw at him, but Faye was evicted (against Louise of all people), and even many of Aaron's supporters were turning against her. Her eviction interview demolished many of the negative pictures that had been built up, and for that and other reasons I think her eviction helped Aaron's chances more than harmed them, but BOTS influence may still have been a factor in those pictures and in the eviction vote.
While it's true that, as meglosmurmurs said, "they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way", that doesn't mean it all balances out, and I don't think that voting is as much as matter of fanbases as is sometimes claimed. There can be more than one effect on fanbases too, as in Faye's case with Aaron's fans.
Also, while it's true that far fewer people watch BOTS than watch the highlights shows, it's not at all clear that BOTS viewers are only an insignificant proportion of those who vote.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I think it's necessary to distinguish between things like Rylan's favourites (Jackie Travers anyone?), which I don't think make much difference, and things like the choice of clips, comments from the panel, who was picked for the panel, opinions from psych 'experts', and opinions about more substantial matters from the presenters.
I don't think a 'BOTS favourite' is necessarily who they're 'pushing to win'. But also, it's not only about who wins. Aaron won despite whatever BOTS threw at him, but Faye was evicted (against Louise of all people), and even many of Aaron's supporters were turning against her. Her eviction interview demolished many of the negative pictures that had been built up, and for that and other reasons I think her eviction helped Aaron's chances more than harmed them, but BOTS influence may still have been a factor in those pictures and in the eviction vote.
While it's true that, as meglosmurmurs said, "they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way", that doesn't mean it all balances out, and I don't think that voting is as much as matter of fanbases as is sometimes claimed. There can be more than one effect on fanbases too, as in Faye's case with Aaron's fans.
Also, while it's true that far fewer people watch BOTS than watch the highlights shows, it's not at all clear that BOTS viewers are only an insignificant proportion of those who vote.”
“I think it's necessary to distinguish between things like Rylan's favourites (Jackie Travers anyone?), which I don't think make much difference, and things like the choice of clips, comments from the panel, who was picked for the panel, opinions from psych 'experts', and opinions about more substantial matters from the presenters.
I don't think a 'BOTS favourite' is necessarily who they're 'pushing to win'. But also, it's not only about who wins. Aaron won despite whatever BOTS threw at him, but Faye was evicted (against Louise of all people), and even many of Aaron's supporters were turning against her. Her eviction interview demolished many of the negative pictures that had been built up, and for that and other reasons I think her eviction helped Aaron's chances more than harmed them, but BOTS influence may still have been a factor in those pictures and in the eviction vote.
While it's true that, as meglosmurmurs said, "they also wind up fanbases and motivate them to vote the other way", that doesn't mean it all balances out, and I don't think that voting is as much as matter of fanbases as is sometimes claimed. There can be more than one effect on fanbases too, as in Faye's case with Aaron's fans.
Also, while it's true that far fewer people watch BOTS than watch the highlights shows, it's not at all clear that BOTS viewers are only an insignificant proportion of those who vote.”
If anything, on one side I think the people who watch BOTS are more likely to vote for someone in evictions. To put up with the usually awful BOTS, you need to be a pretty solid BB fan, and I like to think more BB fans are more likely to vote nowadays.
So for example, maybe 1% of the shows HL audience of I don't know 1.4m lets say, but maybe 10% of those 300k that watch BOTS.
But then on the flipside, maybe BB hardcore fans don't vote anymore due to the amount of times they have been screwed over? Maybe it's those people who watch it as a pastime, or dip in and out. I wish we would be able to find out that info, but we never will.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“If anything, on one side I think the people who watch BOTS are more likely to vote for someone in evictions. To put up with the usually awful BOTS, you need to be a pretty solid BB fan, and I like to think more BB fans are more likely to vote nowadays.
So for example, maybe 1% of the shows HL audience of I don't know 1.4m lets say, but maybe 10% of those 300k that watch BOTS.
But then on the flipside, maybe BB hardcore fans don't vote anymore due to the amount of times they have been screwed over? Maybe it's those people who watch it as a pastime, or dip in and out. I wish we would be able to find out that info, but we never will.”
“If anything, on one side I think the people who watch BOTS are more likely to vote for someone in evictions. To put up with the usually awful BOTS, you need to be a pretty solid BB fan, and I like to think more BB fans are more likely to vote nowadays.
So for example, maybe 1% of the shows HL audience of I don't know 1.4m lets say, but maybe 10% of those 300k that watch BOTS.
But then on the flipside, maybe BB hardcore fans don't vote anymore due to the amount of times they have been screwed over? Maybe it's those people who watch it as a pastime, or dip in and out. I wish we would be able to find out that info, but we never will.”
I agree that we lack, and probably always will lack, much of what we'd need to do a proper assessment of how much influence BOTS has. However, we can try to get some idea of the possibilities, however imperfectly.
I think we can distinguish between the sort of hard-core fan who's stuck with BB for many years, and may now be very cynical about it all, and viewers who are caught up in the current series and so watch BOTS and online clips, regardless of whether they're a long-time fan or not. I think it's those who are caught up who are most likely to vote, and who's to say they aren't 20%, 30%, 50% or more of the BOTS audience?
And of course influence needn't stop with those who watched BOTS themselves. The comments of BOTS viewers can influence other people, so that the original influence spreads.
Also, I know there are some long-time fans who no longer vote themselves but, when they back a HM, are still active in discussions of voting tactics and in encouraging people to vote.
