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So now Adele has got Max Martin writing for her...
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shadesofblack
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“I take it you're referring to your own posts? You sound like you've been drinking. I however, am very articulate, I think even my biggest critics would give me that one.”

This makes me smile GL. Your grammar is atrocious. And I love it!
SummerShudder
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“This makes me smile GL. Your grammar is atrocious. And I love it! ”

GL? I'm a man from Surrey.

Who do you write for? Melody Maker? I wouldn't trust you to write my Christmas Card list
SummerShudder
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“Fiona Apple is bat ass crazy. Lol. Not a bad quality in an artist. She has an interesting voice but middle of the road at best here again. Interesting, she didn't say a word to the crowd during her whole set. She was really into her music or she was really high. You know how it is with those creative types. There are dozens of similar female singers playing pubs across LA most nights. Although most of them aren't spasming on stage and beating themselves with a drumstick and collapsing to the stage.
For stage dominance, Kitten is so much better than Fiona. Wait... did you mention Kitten in your ramblings? Kitten is in fact a very awesome band. I highly recommend their show.”

Are you in America? If Fiona Apple is middle of the road what does that make Adele? yes Kitten is awesome, their album is one of my faves in recent times. Shame she has gotten rid of those band members. I am guessing you are in Cali seeing as you know these bands?
shadesofblack
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“Are you in America? If Fiona Apple is middle of the road what does that make Adele? yes Kitten is awesome, their album is one of my faves in recent times. Shame she has gotten rid of those band members. I am guessing you are in Cali seeing as you know these bands?”

Yes. And I know Chloe and I know the boys. And yeah, its a bummer they split.
And there you go GL. Common ground. Cats and dogs can live together.
shadesofblack
25-10-2015
But to answer your other question. What's that make Adele?
Adele is the voice of our generation. Flat out. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
And yeah. That's my opinion.
my name is joe
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“Fiona Apple is better than Adele because:

She writes ALL of her music and lyrics.
She plays piano while singing live.
Her lyrics are more wordy.
Her music is more experimental.
Criminal is just as catchy as Rolling In The Deep.
Her albums titles are slightly more imaginative.
There's more to her sound...it's not all about vocals.
She is admired by Quentin Tarantino, meanwhile Adele is admired by James Corden.
She's not from Tottenham.

Over to you Adele fans...”

writing your own music & lyrics is only a plus if they make good songs. Anyone can write bad songs - see the internet
Plays piano whilst singing live - that's nice
More wordy doesn't mean better use of words, often less is often more, it's the economy of means where poetry comes from - see Cole Porter
Album titles more imaginative - i might give you that one
It's not all about vocals - I believe Adele's songs have music behind them too, and it's quite common generally
Adele is admired by almost all vocalists of note from Aretha downwards, I know nothing of James Corden
I'm not convinced geography comes into, but i appreciate the try
my name is joe
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“Hey Joe
All threads, aside from chart analysis, are obviously subjective. No proof needed with an opinion. And that's what we have going on here. Just talk.
But when you throw in crazy ramblings and nonsensical posts, it makes for a really good time! I've missed GL a lot. And I mean that sincerely. She was a very dedicated fan for TS. Lol.”

oh i know, i was just trying to get it to change tack a little. And i recognised GL from the first post
shadesofblack
25-10-2015
I just noticed that GL made a dig on Adele's upbringing again. Yeah, we know she's from Tottenham. And so what? You gonna throw in chav again? Give her credit for making it from nothing. A real life rags to riches story, built on talent and hard work. Here in America we love those stories.
SummerShudder
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“Yes. And I know Chloe and I know the boys. And yeah, its a bummer they split.
And there you go GL. Common ground. Cats and dogs can live together.”

You can stop calling me GL seeing as you now know I am not that person

Well you can pass on my compliments and any free tickets will also be much appreciated
SummerShudder
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“But to answer your other question. What's that make Adele?
Adele is the voice of our generation. Flat out. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
And yeah. That's my opinion. ”

The voice of the M&S generation no doubt about it...Looking forward to her Christmas special on ITV...I'm sure 25 will get many middle of the road music listener to sleep this winter just like Sam Smith did last year...meanwhile I'll be listening to:

Florence - the real voice of the generation. Queen of Peace - Adele can't touch that.

Patrick Stump - the other real voice of a generation. Fall Out Boy 2013 - the best comeback in the history of music.
donna255
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“The voice of the M&S generation no doubt about it...Looking forward to her Christmas special on ITV...I'm sure 25 will get many middle of the road music listener to sleep this winter just like Sam Smith did last year...meanwhile I'll be listening to:

Florence - the real voice of the generation. Queen of Peace - Adele can't touch that.

Patrick Stump - the other real voice of a generation. Fall Out Boy 2013 - the best comeback in the history of music.”

Ha Ha Ha!!!!

Not an Adele fan.

But Florence is crap singing live, no constituency reported many times.

Sorry just wet myself laughing at Fall Out Boy the voice of a generation

Oh and I doubt Paddy or Flo will ever sell as many records as Adele
DisneyFreak83
25-10-2015
50 million Youtube views in 24 hours.

Adele is pretty much the queen of the industry now. No wonder Taylor Swift fan girls like the OP are having a breakdown over it.
shadesofblack
25-10-2015
Even Florence recalls the first time she ever heard Adele sing when they were both just starting out. They were both playing at a small club and when Adele got up with her guitar and that voice started singing, "the whole room knew something important was happening". Florence is one of my favs. She is awesome live. She had the audience in the palm of her hand. But Adele will leave a mark decades from now. She's one of only a very select few that can have 8 year olds to 80 year olds singing her music. Black, white, brown. Rappers to sopranos cover her music. That is not Florence. And Florence doesnt want that anyway.
GeorginaPL
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“ but I don't start worshiping the singer because they were lucky enough to be offered a track by Max Martin.”

Happy to hear that. Worship might be reserved for God, and Adele was waaaaay better than TS long before Max Marting "offered" her a song.

Out of interest. What do you think of Frank Sinatra? Billy Holiday? Elvis? They all much inferior to TS, right? The must considering they used to sing others material. Ok, so TS is superior to all of them bunch. What would you say about vocals? Can you see the difference? By difference I don't meant they were different, but that some were superior?
FMKK
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“"Ain't It Fun"... Grammy Award for Best Rock Song. Written by Hayley Williams and Taylor York (Who are they? Oh they're in Paramore). Paramore isn't crap my friend.

I am comfortable listening to chart music (so long as no one else can hear me listening to it) but I don't start worshiping the singer because they were lucky enough to be offered a track by Max Martin.”

Plenty of shitty music has been given awards in the past and plenty will be in the future. I'm not so insecure as you as to have have to hide what I'm listening from people lest it be deemed to populist and pleby. I'm not self-obsessed enough to bother maintaining such a false image. Not that any of this is actually true anyway.

And I'm sure Martin was over the moon to get one of his tracks onto the new Adele album. I mean, it's not like she went to him begging.
robo2
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“Most of the artists I listen to are new actually. Some of my current faves include; Chvrches, Sky Ferreira, Foals, Florence + The Machine, Royal Blood, Silversun Pickups, Best Coast, Paramore.

My credentials are the fact that I have been listening to music from a very early age and have never lost enthusiasm for it. I listen to both mainstream and non mainstream music. I listen to a range of artists. I am not concerned with genres. I listen to albums. I am always finding new artists to listen to. I like music for the sound of it rather than whether it is fashionable or not. I don't rely on mainstream media to discover music...I discover it in various ways. I take an interest in how music is made and who wrote what I'm listening to.

Sorry if this can't compete with the extensive knowledge of your typical Capital FM casual listener.”

wow - more bands that most people have heard of - i like chvrches and florence and the machine too, saw them both live before the release of their first albums, like sky ferreira as well

if you like chvrches you will probably like austra, zola jesus, braids, blackbird blackbird and lykke li

my favourtie artists at the moment are probably john grant, sun kill moon, future islands, phosporescent

nothing too obscure, but feel free to slag me off,
robo2
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“I Want It That Way and B1MT kick started the modern era of pop music. They were Max Martin's earliest work...since then he has dominated pop music. Sales were higher back in those days.

I Got A Feeling? No chance...not even entertaining that one.

Rolling In the Deep...not a pop song.

Somebody I Used to Know - 1 hit wonder whiney nonsense...also not pop.

Candle in the Wind - Novelty song re-recorded - how is this even eligible?

Blurred Lines - a flash in the pan, he got sued, divorced and where is he now? No ones playing the song and no one's talking about it.

Poker Face and Call Me Maybe - 10 a penny...there are many tracks in that vein now and back then.”

they are the biggest sellers, some i love - somebody i used to know, some i dont mind rolling, poker face and the other gaga one and the rest i think are shite, however i have used an objective measure of sUccess (sales) rather than my own opinion like you are using
robo2
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by SummerShudder:
“Fiona Apple is better than Adele because:

She writes ALL of her music and lyrics.
She plays piano while singing live.
Her lyrics are more wordy.
Her music is more experimental.
Criminal is just as catchy as Rolling In The Deep.
Her albums titles are slightly more imaginative.
There's more to her sound...it's not all about vocals.
She is admired by Quentin Tarantino, meanwhile Adele is admired by James Corden.
She's not from Tottenham.

Over to you Adele fans...”

fiona apple was never experimental, her stuff simply reflects the mainstream guitar sound of the time and she follows a general trend of female singer songwiters with guitars that goes back to joni mitchell, carole king etc and beyond - i do like her though
Smudged
25-10-2015
Aah, the age-old songwriting vs. singing debate. They're two different abilities and people place varying levels of importance on one or the other when deciding how good or talented an artist is (and some people don't seem to care about either ). I've seen people on here recently proclaiming Adele to be vastly more talented than Taylor Swift. Overall, I would say Taylor Swift has shown more songwriting ability than Adele but that Adele has more ability when it comes to singing (clearly). So taking everything into account, there's not much between them talent-wise imo.

Adele seems to have a good attitude and intelligence about music and her popularity. I don't think she gets carried away despite the success she's had. Not even she would consider herself to be in the same league as the best singer-songwriters around today when it comes to songwriting and musicianship (singing is another matter). She knows her limitations which is why she gets other songwriters to help her out.
Marvin's Mum
25-10-2015
The most interesting thing to me about this whole debate is SummerShudder's argument about 'credentials'.

My son is a massive fan of Kanye, has on a regular basis pointed out that Kanye has won way more Grammy's than my favourite artist - Prince.

Its true Kanye has, I can't argue with that fact. However, I can direct my son to the works of Prince, the pop, the soul, the damn just majestic guitar playing.

Credentials are to different people, different things - just because you think you are right it doesnt mean so. Adele is a talented voice, one that time and time agin will strip out the wizardry and the need for a fancy backing track and will just sing. If you really don't see that as something special, then you have been sucked into the hyped world, despite all your protestations to the contrary.

I say this as the 'middle of the road' listener - I have hear of all of the bands you mentioned - nowt special there
soulmusic
26-10-2015
Wow, some of the posts in here. Hello is a brilliant track, and deserves all the success. Why the comparisons with other artists. I will be buying 25, but also will still be playing music from my favourite artists. I love good emotional ballads, hence I am a big fan of Leona Lewis (my favourite artist of all time), but I am always happy when other artists release epic tracks, more music to enjoy. Adele will be dominating for some time to come, just embrace it along with millions of others.
funlovingirl
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“How do you know TS is superior to Adele in terms of health? Have you seen either of their medical records? If you are referring to Adele's 'plus size', body size is an extremely poor indicator of health. It is also a poor indicator of potential health problems. 'Fat' does not equal unfit. Metabolic markers, on the other hand give a better indication of ones health and potential health, but you have no way of knowing those.
.”

Since when did someone need to have access to medical records to know that an obese person is at greater risk of poor health than a thin person?
my name is joe
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by funlovingirl:
“Since when did someone need to have access to medical records to know that an obese person is at greater risk of poor health than a thin person?”

Is this what it's come to, comparing the potential health problems of people's favourite artists?

btw the biggest risk is a persons genetic inheritance so if you want to go down this road, you will need to dig those medical records out
Gigi4
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by robo2:
“fiona apple was never experimental, her stuff simply reflects the mainstream guitar sound of the time and she follows a general trend of female singer songwiters with guitars that goes back to joni mitchell, carole king etc and beyond - i do like her though”

Fiona Apple's music is not guitar based. It's primarily based around piano. At her concerts, she primarily plays piano not guitar. Her sound has nothing to do with the mainstream guitar sound of the 90's when she started which was leaning more towards grunge/alternative rock sound, as seen in Alanis Morrisette.
Fiona's music is much more experimental and mainstream than Adele. Listen to her last album the Idler's Wheel which has a lot of experimental tracks.
She has nothing in common with Joni Mitchell or Carole King musically; the only thing they have in common is they are women.
I find it odd and almost sexist how some people seem to think women playing instruments and writing their own songs is a genre of itself and lump all female singer songwriters together when they have nothing in common.
If there's one female artist of the time she does have something in common it would be Tori Amos who has some melodic elements but is also very personal and eccentric in some of her songs and is based around piano. But neither her or Tori were part of some kind of mainstream sound but really followed their own path.
evkylemeatsix
26-10-2015
I'm hoping it sounds like That's The Way It Is he did for Celine Dion. I'd love that
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