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Old 24-10-2015, 20:37
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I thought it was terrific and preferred it to Kellie's actually.
I preferred Kellie's, slightly, but I thought they were both overmarked. Sometimes the judges seem extra-tough when marking good dancers; at other times, they let the good dancers get away with a lot, as I thought they did with Kellie and Jay.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:38
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If he'd been acting the part of a matador in a film, rather than dancing, it might have been great. But he wasn't.
What was missing, in terms of steps, moves in your view?

Genuine question.

For me a bit more shaping would have worked but a rock song probably doesn't cut it for inspiration.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:38
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If he'd been acting the part of a matador in a film, rather than dancing, it might have been great. But he wasn't.
It's your opinion but it seems nobody agrees, including the professional judges,
But hey, you stick to your guns.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:39
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But that's the beauty of Strictly because I thought Helen was very much overmarked
I thought her timing with her footwork was a bit off, she seemed slightly behind Aljaz to me.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:39
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He is a bit robotic for me. Almost like dancing by numbers. I don't get a sense of his feeling the dance and his face just doesn't engage with the dance. Darcey mentioned something about that and she is spot on. He is an excellent technician but that's not all that dance is about.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:39
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I genuinely can't think of a male celeb who's done a better one.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:40
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I thought her timing with her footwork was a bit off, she seemed slightly behind Aljaz to me.
I did think you could get a bus between them there was so much gapping which strangely only Len seemed to notice
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:40
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I thought Paso Doble's all about posing. One thing, though, IMO Jay's was way too straight -- not sticking his hips out to create that little slant position.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:41
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He is a bit robotic for me. Almost like dancing by numbers. I don't get a sense of his feeling the dance and his face just doesn't engage with the dance. Darcey mentioned something about that and she is spot on. He is an excellent technician but that's not all that dance is about.
I don't agree, I thought his waltz in week 2 was very tender and romantic
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:41
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He is a bit robotic for me. Almost like dancing by numbers. I don't get a sense of his feeling the dance and his face just doesn't engage with the dance. Darcey mentioned something about that and she is spot on. He is an excellent technician but that's not all that dance is about.
If you think that he is robotic...then give me robotic all the time.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:41
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Jay understands how make to make beautiful shapes with his body. That's why Darcy loves his hands so much. Jay didn't have all the technique for the Paso but he could perform some parts exceedingly well.

Some people look for the good things in a dance and there was a lot of high quality dancing in there. Some people look for the bad things and they will have spotted that his walking steps were a bit ordinary compared to the rest of the routine.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:42
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I genuinely can't think of a male celeb who's done a better one.
I still remember Austin Healey's paso
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:42
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It wasn't just walking but I did think it was a little over rated.
Same here. It wasn't bad. However, it was a bit dancing by numbers for me (too thought out) and also he appeared to be trying wrongly trying to be aggressive, rather than proud and commanding. I didn't understand the complimentary comments about the shaping. I felt the hips should have been further forward and the ribcage higher.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:42
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I thought he was fairly marked. Kellie and Helen were both over-marked imo which makes Jay's marks look unfair. It was a good Paso.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:42
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I don't agree, I thought his waltz in week 2 was very tender and romantic
Agree...he really showed a soft side...not robotic at all.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:43
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No way was he overmarked...it was not a great night all round but Jay was the best of a not so great bunch.
I think Kellie, Helen, Anita and possibly Georgina were better.

Two 7s and two 8s would have been reasonable marks for Jay and would have put him at the right place on the leaderboard.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:46
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He is a bit robotic for me. Almost like dancing by numbers. I don't get a sense of his feeling the dance and his face just doesn't engage with the dance. Darcey mentioned something about that and she is spot on. He is an excellent technician but that's not all that dance is about.
Oh my word 'this'! You have absolutely hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. There is not an ounce of passion. He is a lot better than most of the others, but apart from the jive, there is no connection. I don't feel his dances at all, as you say it's dancing by numbers. Good but not gut punching brilliant, and he really could be if he dropped the scared little boy persona. Drop the act, be the competitive git you are and knock my socks off Jay
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:47
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It's your opinion but it seems nobody agrees, including the professional judges,
Do you think the "professional judges" always get it right, so that people who think Kellie or Helen were overmarked, Katie undermarked, etc, must be wrong?

But hey, you stick to your guns.
So long as you keep being patronising.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:48
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But that's the beauty of Strictly because I thought Helen was very much overmarked


SO did I, her terrified face is uncomfortable to watch. And Kellie was heavy & stompy. I thought that jive was going to be amazing & I was totally underwhelmed
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:48
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Perhaps I've forgotten too many of the others, but I can't remember any from a good dancer that seemed so much like posing while walking.

I thought some of the dances were marked more by what the judges believed about the celeb, rather than the dance. So Katie and Anton got very low marks, because they believed she struggled with Latin; Jay got high marks because they believe he's a good dancer.
Maybe that's because he is a (very, very) good dancer. It's clear you don't like Jay, but you have a very strange definition of the words 'posing' and 'walking' if that's what you really think.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:48
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He is a bit robotic for me. Almost like dancing by numbers. I don't get a sense of his feeling the dance and his face just doesn't engage with the dance. Darcey mentioned something about that and she is spot on. He is an excellent technician but that's not all that dance is about.
I missed this when I posted and used the same phrase. Yes, dancing by numbers.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:49
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it was much more than that, but darcy picked up on something i've felt about him from the start, its all a bit clinical, a bit self aware.

like watching an excellent waiter in action. knows your every need before you do and meets it efficiently, but completely without you noticing them.
Great way of describing it . I was stumped on how to comment on him after his routine. I don't like him, I find him false, over rated and I can't be bothered with his wide-eyed innocence act, but I wanted to be fair so I said nothing till I thought it through . His shaping was good, but yes, it was just walking and posing in a butch manner . Being tall helps in some dances , paso and tango in particular . It's easier to look butch when towering over a female . All in all it was an ok dance , but I expected him to come back from the brink with something with more content this week .
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:50
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Best dance if the night for me. I thought it was quite a bit better than almost anyone else's dance tonight.
. Agree and even James Jordan thought under marked!!!
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:51
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Oh my word 'this'! You have absolutely hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. There is not an ounce of passion. He is a lot better than most of the others, but apart from the jive, there is no connection. I don't feel his dances at all, as you say it's dancing by numbers. Good but not gut punching brilliant, and he really could be if he dropped the scared little boy persona. Drop the act, be the competitive git you are and knock my socks off Jay
Jay shows a lot more personality when dancing than he seems to at other times; perhaps this was a close to passionate and connected as he could get.

I think his jive was a bit 'dance by numbers' too, just with better numbers.
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Old 24-10-2015, 20:51
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Oh my word 'this'! You have absolutely hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. There is not an ounce of passion. He is a lot better than most of the others, but apart from the jive, there is no connection. I don't feel his dances at all, as you say it's dancing by numbers. Good but not gut punching brilliant, and he really could be if he dropped the scared little boy persona. Drop the act, be the competitive git you are and knock my socks off Jay
I agree with all this and he needs to drop the act. It's so annoying.
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