It looked like the usual steps you get in a paso to me, but even if there was some walking there is a big difference in the way a good dancer walks and the way a bad dancer does. Most male celebs just stomp flat-footed through a paso, but Jay's movement tonight looked the closest I've seen on Strictly to a male pro's movement in a paso. I think he was undermarked, but I imagine the judges know he is doing well enough in the voting for it not to matter.
Jay's Paso was mostly just posing while walking
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I've just watched the dance again and I have to disagree. Of course there is walking in the Paso, but he did some fabulous shaping and when in hold moved wonderfully.
I thought he did a lot of walking as well and said it here at the time. I think the problem with Jay is that his Jive was so good i am expecting everything to be of that standard and its not going to be - last week proved that!
I also thought Kellies legs seemed really heavy and that bloody suitcase was a distraction! I reckon Kellie was exhausted from the week of training for this dance at the frantic pace and it showed in her legs tonight.
I also thought Kellies legs seemed really heavy and that bloody suitcase was a distraction! I reckon Kellie was exhausted from the week of training for this dance at the frantic pace and it showed in her legs tonight.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree with all this and he needs to drop the act. It's so annoying.”
“I agree with all this and he needs to drop the act. It's so annoying.”
Oh give over .. so transparent!
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“It looked like the usual steps you get in a paso to me, but even if there was some walking there is a big difference in the way a good dancer walks and the way a bad dancer does. Most male celebs just stomp flat-footed through a paso, but Jay's movement tonight looked the closest I've seen on Strictly to a male pro's movement in a paso. I think he was undermarked, but I imagine the judges know he is doing well enough in the voting for it not to matter.”
“It looked like the usual steps you get in a paso to me, but even if there was some walking there is a big difference in the way a good dancer walks and the way a bad dancer does. Most male celebs just stomp flat-footed through a paso, but Jay's movement tonight looked the closest I've seen on Strictly to a male pro's movement in a paso. I think he was undermarked, but I imagine the judges know he is doing well enough in the voting for it not to matter.”
I said same re his movements - closest to a male pro - and undermarked definately
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree with all this and he needs to drop the act. It's so annoying.”
“I agree with all this and he needs to drop the act. It's so annoying.”
interesting, because i have to say i don't think its an act.
somewhere along the line he has just failed to individuate yet - he seems 25 going on 12 and overly attached to his mum.
he has some of the accomplishments of an adult without inhabiting the experiences. in the past i've likened him to a musical child prodigy - all the right notes, but none of the depth or emotional connection.
send him back when he's 35. if his mum will let him
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I preferred Kellie's, slightly, but I thought they were both overmarked. Sometimes the judges seem extra-tough when marking good dancers; at other times, they let the good dancers get away with a lot, as I thought they did with Kellie and Jay.”
“I preferred Kellie's, slightly, but I thought they were both overmarked. Sometimes the judges seem extra-tough when marking good dancers; at other times, they let the good dancers get away with a lot, as I thought they did with Kellie and Jay.”
Technically Kellies jive was great in every way and for some reason I felt underwhelmed - not sure why. I thought Helen very good but is still a little stiff- Anita was excellent. Jay was great - maybe a little more shaping but definetly back
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well I thought his foot work was beautiful. It didn't look like walking to me.”
“Well I thought his foot work was beautiful. It didn't look like walking to me.”
Me too. I loved his dance tonight.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Jay shows a lot more personality when dancing than he seems to at other times; perhaps this was a close to passionate and connected as he could get.
I think his jive was a bit 'dance by numbers' too, just with better numbers.”
“Jay shows a lot more personality when dancing than he seems to at other times; perhaps this was a close to passionate and connected as he could get.
I think his jive was a bit 'dance by numbers' too, just with better numbers.”
His jive was dance by numbers??! Must have been the winning lottery numbers then... I think he nailed the character in the jive.
Originally Posted by DingDong08:
“Maybe that's because he is a (very, very) good dancer.
”
“Maybe that's because he is a (very, very) good dancer.
”
My point wasn't that they were wrong to believe he's a good dancer. It was that he was marked more by that belief than by what he actually did tonight. Similarly, Katie and Anton got extra-low marks for their Salsa because of the belief that she's not good at Latin.
Quote:
“It's clear you don't like Jay, but you have a very strange definition of the words 'posing' and 'walking' if that's what you really think.”
“It's clear you don't like Jay, but you have a very strange definition of the words 'posing' and 'walking' if that's what you really think.”
I have standard definitions of both words.
I don't like or dislike Jay. I don't know enough about him to do either. But I think his dancing is over-praised and over-marked.
Originally Posted by primer:
“interesting, because i have to say i don't think its an act.
somewhere along the line he has just failed to individuate yet - he seems 25 going on 12 and overly attached to his mum.
he has some of the accomplishments of an adult without inhabiting the experiences. in the past i've likened him to a musical child prodigy - all the right notes, but none of the depth or emotional connection.
send him back when he's 35. if his mum will let him”
“interesting, because i have to say i don't think its an act.
somewhere along the line he has just failed to individuate yet - he seems 25 going on 12 and overly attached to his mum.
he has some of the accomplishments of an adult without inhabiting the experiences. in the past i've likened him to a musical child prodigy - all the right notes, but none of the depth or emotional connection.
send him back when he's 35. if his mum will let him”
Stop embarrassing yourself...just admit he is not your favourite.
Originally Posted by primer:
“interesting, because i have to say i don't think its an act.
somewhere along the line he has just failed to individuate yet - he seems 25 going on 12 and overly attached to his mum.
he has some of the accomplishments of an adult without inhabiting the experiences. in the past i've likened him to a musical child prodigy - all the right notes, but none of the depth or emotional connection.
send him back when he's 35. if his mum will let him”
“interesting, because i have to say i don't think its an act.
somewhere along the line he has just failed to individuate yet - he seems 25 going on 12 and overly attached to his mum.
he has some of the accomplishments of an adult without inhabiting the experiences. in the past i've likened him to a musical child prodigy - all the right notes, but none of the depth or emotional connection.
send him back when he's 35. if his mum will let him”
It is just my opinion, it's just how he comes across. He's in a boy band so I doubt he is Mr Shy and I doubt Aliona would behave the way she does towards him if he was.
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Technically Kellies jive was great in every way and for some reason I felt underwhelmed - not sure why. I thought Helen very good but is still a little stiff- Anita was excellent. Jay was great - maybe a little more shaping but definetly back”
“Technically Kellies jive was great in every way and for some reason I felt underwhelmed - not sure why. I thought Helen very good but is still a little stiff- Anita was excellent. Jay was great - maybe a little more shaping but definetly back”
I know what you mean...I have to be honest and say that I cannot take to Kellie.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“I agree...it is embarrassing.”
“I agree...it is embarrassing.”
I agree, it is embarrassing for him.
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“Best dance if the night for me. I thought it was quite a bit better than almost anyone else's dance tonight.”
“Best dance if the night for me. I thought it was quite a bit better than almost anyone else's dance tonight.”
I thought so too!
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It is just my opinion, it's just how he comes across. He's in a boy band so I doubt he is Mr Shy and I doubt Aliona would behave the way she does towards him if he was.”
“It is just my opinion, it's just how he comes across. He's in a boy band so I doubt he is Mr Shy and I doubt Aliona would behave the way she does towards him if he was.”
That is such an over simplification 'he was in a boy band, he can't be shy'. He had four other people to hide behind in that boy band, four other people to gain confidence from.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Stop embarrassing yourself...just admit he is not you favourite.”
“Stop embarrassing yourself...just admit he is not you favourite.”
i have no need to 'admit' anything, i don't have a favourite (yet) and i am commenting on my genuine views of this dancer. he is technically accomplished but so far hasn't really produced a performance to equal his abilities.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“He's good at posing, but it was just barely a dance.
Greatly overmarked.”
“He's good at posing, but it was just barely a dance.
Greatly overmarked.”
You have never liked Jay, so as usual you are just nit picking, and talking rubbish.
Originally Posted by ellieb123:
“His jive was dance by numbers??! Must have been the winning lottery numbers then... I think he nailed the character in the jive.”
“His jive was dance by numbers??! Must have been the winning lottery numbers then... I think he nailed the character in the jive.”
I thought his Jive was a bit frantic and forced, and that he focused so much on the fast and complicated footwork that it was lacking in other ways. His free arm often just seemed to be waving about, and it lacked a fun and joyful quality I like to see in a jive. It seemed even worse when I rewatched it than it had at first.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“It is just my opinion, it's just how he comes across. He's in a boy band so I doubt he is Mr Shy and I doubt Aliona would behave the way she does towards him if he was.”
“It is just my opinion, it's just how he comes across. He's in a boy band so I doubt he is Mr Shy and I doubt Aliona would behave the way she does towards him if he was.”
i read (on the forum somewhere) that he was the shyest member of the band and they used to tease him about phoning his mum and not having a girlfriend.... aliona seems to mother him - its a travesty that a woman as hot as that should be put in such a position, talk about evoking the wrong feelings in people
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree, it is embarrassing for him.”
“I agree, it is embarrassing for him.”
Audience CLEARLY didn't think so!
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree, it is embarrassing for him.”
“I agree, it is embarrassing for him.”
Hey...if you think that Jays embarrassing ...then carry on being embarrassing Jay because you are for sure doing something right.
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