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Katie & Anton's salsa a bloody MESS
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dd23
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Her Samba was actually very decent, it was mainly her cha cha and jive which were very weak.

Katie might escape again with this, as there are even weaker celebs left in the competition (who have also been in the dance-off already), but the level of her latin is really not worthy of a finalist (she is easily the worst latin dancer out of all the contenders for the final).”

Probably true. She is also by far the oldest of the actual "contenders", and possibly the strongest at the moment where ballroom is concerned. Potentially, should they survive, their situation is even stronger now that a few awkward dances are out of the way. Just to throw it out there, what percentage of celebrities over the years have been comfortable in Salsa, Cha Cha and the like?, and while we're on the subject Peter's walking about tonight wasn't no Rhumba, but git scored pretty well.
Honeysmum
25-10-2015
I also wince when Anton is dancing Latin, he looks sort of embarrassed and if its going a bit wonky he does a pirouette (sp?) and falls down to one knee. As soon as it started her legs were all over the place and certainly were not doing basic salsa steps.

I wonder how much training they are doing as Katie seems to be quite busy working. I think ITT used to keep us updated on hours trained per couple? I actually thought they looked a lot better in the short clip shown of them in the Salsa club.

She'll be fine if she has ballroom next week.
Linda_Dean
25-10-2015
Lots of hyperbole going here and with the judges.

The dance obviously wasn't suited and had some technical errors - both lacking some essential technique (mainly her bottom half) but also some missed/fudged lifts. I think it was Darcy who said she doesn't get into the ground, and she was right. Katie has a natural grace that she is not using to translate into latin. Her lower half wasn't as fluid as it should have been for this dance. Her top half though, was respectable.

But, the dance had energy, fun, many clean lines and despite the issues, looked reasonably presentable. It was average overall - not awful or terrible.
Jennifer_F
25-10-2015
I was expecting this to be awful, but as it started, I didn't think it too bad actually.

However, just over half way through, I wondered if Anton had actually forgotten the routine ( as he has done in others) as he really did look like he was making it up as he went along and I felt so sorry for Katie. This may have been the reason why the latter half and "unexpected" lifts looked so dreadful.
The Steel Flipp
25-10-2015
I was cringing through it but I had no expectations on that Salsa whatsoever knowing what Anton is like with Latin. Next week its a Paso Doble for them which technically is another Latin but I can't see it being as bad as this week if they survive this week. I think that Anton must up his game because he is letting Katie down big time with the Latin dances even if this means getting help.
Nosaer
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Italia:
“They keep him in because he has a good TV persona. He's an OK ballroom dancer...he was never in the big league of competitive dancers (it's made me laugh when they've described him as a world champion over the years. What in? Tiddlywinks?) He's clearly not comfortable doing Latin and as he's getting older this is becoming more aparent.”

I don't think he has a good TV persona. The old school BBC think he has (hence trying him out as a presenter - not particularly successfully) and keep trying to foist him upon us as the jokey character partnered with the comedy celeb. Unfortunately he isn't funny and at times borders on mean trying to get laughs at the expense of his partner. He is past his sell by date.
fridgesoup
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“I was expecting this to be awful, but as it started, I didn't think it too bad actually.

However, just over half way through, I wondered if Anton had actually forgotten the routine ( as he has done in others) as he really did look like he was making it up as he went along and I felt so sorry for Katie. This may have been the reason why the latter half and "unexpected" lifts looked so dreadful.”

I thought he forgot the routine, too. I wonder what he'll say on ITT...
holly berry
25-10-2015
Given their differences in training I think they were both as bad as each other. I don't think either dancer comes naturally to Latin so Anton should immediately get on the phone to Cuban Pete and have him over to teach them how to chick-chicky-boom, chick-chicky boom
RachelBlackburn
25-10-2015
I will say that Darcey was nastier about Katie than she ever is about far far worse dances and dancers. I don't know if it was just a moment of I'd-really-hoped-you-might-be-better-than-that disappointment or whether there is indeed a script or 'story' they're trying to follow. But it was very out of character, and as others have noted there was far more content in there than their comments implied, and indeed than in another that they'd raved over.

For me, I think the big problem was the lifts. Whether that's down to Anton or Katie or both, I don't know, but they were the real disasters of that dance.
glasshalffull
25-10-2015
More tomato ketchup than salsa.
MaggieMcGee
25-10-2015
Well I watched their routine again and Katie's deficiencies aside, what was Anton doing? A good 50% of his time was spent posing or making comedic gestures. He had little hip action and his footwork was neat enough for a salsa. I feel really sorry for Katie. She wants to learn latin and has been saddled with someone who does not do latin. She looked beautiful and carried her performance well even if the technique was low.
Steve9214
25-10-2015
There are 3 eliminated female Pro's so far - all of whom were Latin specialists in their "competition" days - why on earth can they not get some input from them ??

Kristina and Oti always seem to be there anyway.

Personally I have no empathy with R&B, Latin beats etc so could never dance to any of that kind of music, so maybe Katie has no "ear" for Latin so cannot keep time very well.

Obviously ballroom is more classical based and she inhabits the classical music world.

Even more reason for them to seek some help from experienced Latin performers.
alan29
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Well I watched their routine again and Katie's deficiencies aside, what was Anton doing? A good 50% of his time was spent posing or making comedic gestures. He had little hip action and his footwork was neat enough for a salsa. I feel really sorry for Katie. She wants to learn latin and has been saddled with someone who does not do latin. She looked beautiful and carried her performance well even if the technique was low.”

This.
He seemed to have forgotten the routine.
And I thought he was going to drop her in that last lift.
IvanIV
25-10-2015
Another of Anton's comedy routines. Ha bloody ha.
bigbro24
25-10-2015
John and Sally from Cheam are holidaying in Mexico and had too much tequila and decided to put on a show = Kate and Anton. Why have they put 2 amateurs together
Camino
25-10-2015
I think him having a good partner is really showing up his poor Latin skills
Kiki_Kitten
25-10-2015
I like Anton, always have, and think he primarily focuses on the fact that it is an entertainment show with a mix of good and bad participants.
Some of the pro's don't like having a less competent partner.
I don't agree with the general idea that Katie would be better with another pro, we have no way of knowing that. No pro has won more than once, and it's not the best celeb who necessarily wins.
GoinGaga
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“Given their differences in training I think they were both as bad as each other. I don't think either dancer comes naturally to Latin so Anton should immediately get on the phone to Cuban Pete and have him over to teach them how to chick-chicky-boom, chick-chicky boom ”

It's an unfortunate pairing as neither of them have a feel for Latin. Katie is great at doing elegant but not so great at doing sexy, which is needed for a lot of these Latino dances. Having said that I did think her constant smiling and sense of fun would be an asset in Salsa. Anton's comedy persona doesn't translate well to Latin dances either. I found the whole thing awkward to watch and I agree with the poster that pointed out her inability to do Latin should technically rule her out of the final.
boab34
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by RachelBlackburn:
“[b]I will say that Darcey was nastier about Katie than she ever is about far far worse dances and dancers. I don't know if it was just a moment of I'd-really-hoped-you-might-be-better-than-that disappointment or whether there is indeed a script or 'story' they're trying to follow.[/B] But it was very out of character, and as others have noted there was far more content in there than their comments implied, and indeed than in another that they'd raved over.

For me, I think the big problem was the lifts. Whether that's down to Anton or Katie or both, I don't know, but they were the real disasters of that dance.”

agree BIB

looked like they're trying to create another "journey" story for her after last week's high (= for Jay post-jive)
Ann_Dancer
25-10-2015
It wasn't great! I would imagine it is Anton's nightmare dance since I doubt if he ever learnt salsa formally and he is unsuited to it (at least he would have learnt the 5 dancesport latin dances formally even if he doesn't like them much). So he was never going to show Katie at her best.

I imagine the paso should be a lot better next week. It is the closest of the latin dances to ballroom and so Anton should feel more at home teaching and dancing it.
Liza with a Zee
25-10-2015
I think anton messed it up and thought it was the end of the routine at one point and then realised there was another bit to go. What a shame it was awful
Cestrian18
25-10-2015
I thought it looked fine, it was messy and wild but it did have rythym and was more or less on time, no more than a 6 but given how strictly scores I was expecting a couple of 7s- Equally though, Katie is very good, and her legs are incredible, I just hope that Antony stops trying to cover his own failings and actually chereographs a dance that showcases Katie instead of hiding his own shortcomings
Fuchsia Groan
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“It wasn't great! I would imagine it is Anton's nightmare dance since I doubt if he ever learnt salsa formally and he is unsuited to it (at least he would have learnt the 5 dancesport latin dances formally even if he doesn't like them much). So he was never going to show Katie at her best.

I imagine the paso should be a lot better next week. It is the closest of the latin dances to ballroom and so Anton should feel more at home teaching and dancing it.”

Well as Anton himself said to Claudia last night "Paso is basically ballroom only done in latin dress".
Ann_Dancer
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“Well as Anton himself said to Claudia last night "Paso is basically ballroom only done in latin dress". ”

Indeed it is! None of that dodgy settling of the hips required (in fact quite the opposite)!
Cheshirecheese
25-10-2015
It seems so unfair that Anton is still on the programme as a professional when there are so many more in the dance world who are good at both ballroom and latin. He is positively embarrassing when he isn'.t doing ballroom to be honest and I feel sorry for Katie..
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