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Kate Oates way overated
Her stories are ridiculously over the top & yet people think she's gonna save Corrie?. I'm an ED fan but her dramatic plots don't engage me at all like they should. I'm just de-sentized to it all. If she was such a great producer then the show would feel more 'grounded' to its roots. Heightened drama may pull in ratings but it doesn't reflect the quality & its sub-par at best.
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Yes, don't know if she'll save Corrie, rather turn it crime ridden ala she has with Emmerdale.
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I don't think she's over-rated. I've seen a lot of complaints about her on here.
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What is good for Emmerdale but not be good for Corrie,look at Kirkwood brilliant during his first stint at Hollyoaks,a disaster at EastEnders. Then you have Blackburn who is at least consistent,crap at Emmerdale and crap at Corrie
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Yes, don't know if she'll save Corrie, rather turn it crime ridden ala she has with Emmerdale.
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I like how she has completely forgotten about Kerry's diabetes and has the character almost constantly sozzled off her tits
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Kate Oates has been a mixed bag, but definitely more good than bad.
Robert's return has been a success and it has put the Sugdens back at the front of Emmerdale, where they belong, for the first time in many years. Andy, who has basically been a recurring thug for the last umpteen years, is finally being given juicy material and, crucially, he is actually facing up to his anger and mental health issues and actually acting like a human being. The Maceys were a total disaster (Blyth/Blackburn) but the Whites - and indeed the new generation of Bartons - have all been a hit on the whole. Character interaction, a sense of community, a sense of humour and a sense of rurality have all been enhanced or restored by Kate Oates. She has been a good rather than a great producer, but she is easily the best since Kathleen Beedles. I have every confidence she will do Corrie good as let's face it - much like Emmerdale two-and-a-half years ago - she can hardly make it any worse. |
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The bad:
Emmerdale has now become completely and utterly sensational, with a disaster happening every week or a crime related storyline for that matter. Also, Ross has been shoehorned in to practically every storyline. The good: Kate has no doubt made Emmerdale 10x better than what it was under Blackburn, with some gripping storylines. The woolpack siege was the last thing in soap that had me hanging on the edge of my seat. The new Bartons and Whites/Robert recast have been absolutely fantastic new addition (Far better than EE's Carters and Corrie's Connors), plus we've had the Declan/Charity stuff, the helicopter crash and almost every character has been given some sort of juicy material/storyline. I think the bad definitely outweighs the good. However, Emmerdale is practically unrecognisable to what it was 5 years ago, and a lot of long term characters or big characters seem to now be leaving or have left... (Val, Alicia, Ashley, Katie, Declan, etc...). |
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The bad:
Emmerdale has now become completely and utterly sensational, with a disaster happening every week or a crime related storyline for that matter. Also, Ross has been shoehorned in to practically every storyline. The good: Kate has no doubt made Emmerdale 10x better than what it was under Blackburn, with some gripping storylines. The woolpack siege was the last thing in soap that had me hanging on the edge of my seat. The new Bartons and Whites/Robert recast have been absolutely fantastic new addition (Far better than EE's Carters and Corrie's Connors), plus we've had the Declan/Charity stuff, the helicopter crash and almost every character has been given some sort of juicy material/storyline. I think the bad definitely outweighs the good. However, Emmerdale is practically unrecognisable to what it was 5 years ago, and a lot of long term characters or big characters seem to now be leaving or have left... (Val, Alicia, Ashley, Katie, Declan, etc...). To say the show is practically unrecognisable is the most ridiculous hyperbole. Around half the cast there now were there five years ago. Aaron, Leyla, Robert, Carly and Bernice were all reintroduced under Kate Oates, and Nikhil returns next week. All the exiting cast you mentioned decided to leave of their own accord. Ashley isn't even leaving until late next year/early 2017, when Iain MacLeod will be in charge. By all means let's have different opinions, but let's also keep a sense of perspective and not play fast and loose with what's actually true and what isn't. |
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Kate Oates has been a mixed bag, but definitely more good than bad.
Robert's return has been a success and it has put the Sugdens back at the front of Emmerdale, where they belong, for the first time in many years. Andy, who has basically been a recurring thug for the last umpteen years, is finally being given juicy material and, crucially, he is actually facing up to his anger and mental health issues and actually acting like a human being. The Maceys were a total disaster (Blyth/Blackburn) but the Whites - and indeed the new generation of Bartons - have all been a hit on the whole. Character interaction, a sense of community, a sense of humour and a sense of rurality have all been enhanced or restored by Kate Oates. She has been a good rather than a great producer, but she is easily the best since Kathleen Beedles. I have every confidence she will do Corrie good as let's face it - much like Emmerdale two-and-a-half years ago - she can hardly make it any worse. Although I think lou_123 meant to say "the good outweighs the bad" but typed it wrong. It doesn't make sense the way she wrote it but I think it was an error (correct if wrong lou!) |
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Her stories are ridiculously over the top & yet people think she's gonna save Corrie?. I'm an ED fan but her dramatic plots don't engage me at all like they should. I'm just de-sentized to it all. If she was such a great producer then the show would feel more 'grounded' to its roots. Heightened drama may pull in ratings but it doesn't reflect the quality & its sub-par at best.
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Perfect and balanced post, the voice of reason in this thread full of EastEnders fans trying to tarnish Kate Oates ahead of her stint on the Evil Coronation Street!
Although I think lou_123 meant to say "the good outweighs the bad" but typed it wrong. It doesn't make sense the way she wrote it but I think it was an error (correct if wrong lou!)
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I think she has been ok, not great but not bad. It's still my favourite soap at the moment so she can't have been that bad.
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It's questionable whether her heightened drama actually does pull in ratings. The ratings for the helicopter crash and the Rewind episode were passable at best, but a long way from the 8 million-odd who tuned into the Cameron siege only two years ago. And whilst I broadly disagree with you, OP, I fully agree about becoming desensitised to all the heightened drama. If it happens all the time then it's not really a big deal. The soaps seem to have completely forgotten how to do character driven, day-to-day stuff which is why almost all of them feel quite shallow to me nowadays.
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I've really enjoyed her stint although its not all been perfect, I hate the whole thing she does at times; telling us things that happened rather than showing us or stories being shorter than they should have been imo
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*Heightened drama may pull in ratings but it doesn't reflect the quality & its sub-par at best.
But not under KO. She has often been a ratings disaster snd produced one ratings flop story after another. Even Blackburn was able to produce stories that topped 7 million. I agree with the rest of your post though. Under her ED is unrecognisable from the show it was for the previous 40 years with one ridiculous farce of a story after another. Under her the acting has fallen alarmingly with much of at bad Hollyoaks and panto level. I cannot wait to see the back of her work. |
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Perfect and balanced post, the voice of reason in this thread full of EastEnders fans trying to tarnish Kate Oates ahead of her stint on the Evil Coronation Street!
Although I think lou_123 meant to say "the good outweighs the bad" but typed it wrong. It doesn't make sense the way she wrote it but I think it was an error (correct if wrong lou!) |
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What a ridiculous/paranoid generalisation.
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Youtube any old ep of ED & it illustrates my point how much better the show was & how ridiculous its become. People keep sayin how its been fantastic under her but its just 1 ridiculous moment after another. Its constantly forced down our throats & we're expected to care & not be de-sensitized. She's good at interlinkin characters but thats it.
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I don't think she's over-rated. I've seen a lot of complaints about her on here.
Personally I think she started really well but went rapidly downhill in the last year or so - overuse of Ross and Aaron, making stories too convoluted, overly sensationalist stuff with no aftermath. I've seen many other FMs making similar points, and some being much more critical. Still, Corrie will be a fresh project for her, so she might have a good few years there. She's probably become a bit jaded with the ED job and is looking for a new challenge. |
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I agree, she's certainly not over rated on here.
Personally I think she started really well but went rapidly downhill in the last year or so - overuse of Ross and Aaron, making stories too convoluted, overly sensationalist stuff with no aftermath. I've seen many other FMs making similar points, and some being much more critical. Still, Corrie will be a fresh project for her, so she might have a good few years there. She's probably become a bit jaded with the ED job and is looking for a new challenge.
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I loved her work until this year; the only decent thing to come out of 2015 is splitting up Laurel and Marlon / Laurel's drunk storyline. Everything else has been pretty unbearable, for me. I'd given up on the other soaps a couple of years back due to them being utter crap, yet Emmerdale managed to keep a firm grip on me because it was simply the best... but this year I've hardly tuned in, and I've noticed I've started to replace it with Corrie
![]() I don't have much faith in the new producer, but the show can't really get much worse right now so I guess it's worth a shot. I've began watching every episode again (it's a hard task) so I know what's going on for when the new producer comes in and can judge accordingly. My heart will always be with Emmerdale, but there's only so much shite I can take. |
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I loved her work until this year; the only decent thing to come out of 2015 is splitting up Laurel and Marlon / Laurel's drunk storyline. Everything else has been pretty unbearable, for me. I'd given up on the other soaps a couple of years back due to them being utter crap, yet Emmerdale managed to keep a firm grip on me because it was simply the best... but this year I've hardly tuned in, and I've noticed I've started to replace it with Corrie
![]() I don't have much faith in the new producer, but the show can't really get much worse right now so I guess it's worth a shot. I've began watching every episode again (it's a hard task) so I know what's going on for when the new producer comes in and can judge accordingly. My heart will always be with Emmerdale, but there's only so much shite I can take. |
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as long as they don't do too much of the Hollyoaks murder every week stuff. Once in a while is fine....
Storylines (no more... for a long while): Affairs Love triangles One night stands Overuse of characters: Ross, Aaron, Robert, Chas ... Aaron's been overused ever since his coming out storyline by Gavin, Stuart and Kate, whilst Chas has always been shoved down our damn throats. Chill them the **** out and make them both background characters for an ENTIRE year. Please and thank you. |
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I loved her work until this year; the only decent thing to come out of 2015 is splitting up Laurel and Marlon / Laurel's drunk storyline. Everything else has been pretty unbearable, for me. I'd given up on the other soaps a couple of years back due to them being utter crap, yet Emmerdale managed to keep a firm grip on me because it was simply the best... but this year I've hardly tuned in, and I've noticed I've started to replace it with Corrie
![]() I don't have much faith in the new producer, but the show can't really get much worse right now so I guess it's worth a shot. I've began watching every episode again (it's a hard task) so I know what's going on for when the new producer comes in and can judge accordingly. My heart will always be with Emmerdale, but there's only so much shite I can take. I loved her early stuff, but I won't miss her. Unfortunately I have zero faith in the new guy. Mind you, that's not a bad position to start from - he can't disappoint I guess. |
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Key issues for me are;
Storylines (no more... for a long while): Affairs Love triangles One night stands Overuse of characters: Ross, Aaron, Robert, Chas ... Aaron's been overused ever since his coming out storyline by Gavin, Stuart and Kate, whilst Chas has always been shoved down our damn throats. Chill them the **** out and make them both background characters for an ENTIRE year. Please and thank you.
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