They gave them both a 9. Just wow 
. Jay and Aliona were in a completely different league to Kellie and the ghastly Clifton.
. Jay and Aliona were in a completely different league to Kellie and the ghastly Clifton.
Len and Darcey thought Kellie and Kevin's Jive was the same as Jay and Aliona's?????
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Yes, a travesty. Kellie was not quite in sync with Kevin throughout and towards the end of the dance her energy flagged. They also employed more distraction in the way of props. Jay and Aliona's jive was almost perfection both in the dance and in the portrayal of the movie theme.
Well, no question, I far and away preferred Jay and Aliona's to K&K's, but there was a lot of jive content in Kellie's routine and I thought she executed it well, especially the side by side part (looked in sync to me), though I felt she was flagging towards the end. The difference for me was less about technique (both good) and more about presentation and choreography, which is bound to be a more personal thing.
K and K didn't really need to tell a story, and I thought the theme and the suitcase etc got in the way, rather than added. (I liked it better in the rehearsal footage where all the extra was absent).
As for the judges, they have a small range of paddles for a large range of ability (and they don't use the full range anyway), so the numbers can be a bit of a blunt instrument at times.
K and K didn't really need to tell a story, and I thought the theme and the suitcase etc got in the way, rather than added. (I liked it better in the rehearsal footage where all the extra was absent).
As for the judges, they have a small range of paddles for a large range of ability (and they don't use the full range anyway), so the numbers can be a bit of a blunt instrument at times.
Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“Yes, a travesty. Kellie was not quite in sync with Kevin throughout and towards the end of the dance her energy flagged. They also employed more distraction in the way of props. Jay and Aliona's jive was almost perfection both in the dance and in the portrayal of the movie theme.”
“Yes, a travesty. Kellie was not quite in sync with Kevin throughout and towards the end of the dance her energy flagged. They also employed more distraction in the way of props. Jay and Aliona's jive was almost perfection both in the dance and in the portrayal of the movie theme.”
Spot on. Undoubtedly what she did was very good but Kellie was running out of steam towards the end. It was nowhere near as accomplished as Jay's but the thing is everyone's jive will be compared to his now because he did it so early in the competition.
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Well, no question, I far and away preferred Jay and Aliona's to K&K's, but there was a lot of jive content in Kellie's routine and I thought she executed it well, especially the side by side part (looked in sync to me), though I felt she was flagging towards the end. The difference for me was less about technique (both good) and more about presentation and choreography, which is bound to be a more personal thing.
K and K didn't really need to tell a story, and I thought the theme and the suitcase etc got in the way, rather than added. (I liked it better in the rehearsal footage where all the extra was absent).
As for the judges, they have a small range of paddles for a large range of ability (and they don't use the full range anyway), so the numbers can be a bit of a blunt instrument at times.”
“Well, no question, I far and away preferred Jay and Aliona's to K&K's, but there was a lot of jive content in Kellie's routine and I thought she executed it well, especially the side by side part (looked in sync to me), though I felt she was flagging towards the end. The difference for me was less about technique (both good) and more about presentation and choreography, which is bound to be a more personal thing.
K and K didn't really need to tell a story, and I thought the theme and the suitcase etc got in the way, rather than added. (I liked it better in the rehearsal footage where all the extra was absent).
As for the judges, they have a small range of paddles for a large range of ability (and they don't use the full range anyway), so the numbers can be a bit of a blunt instrument at times.”
Excellent post. I agree with all of this. To be honest, I don't worry about the finer points of the scoring. As long as it is round about ok. I wasn't keen on any of this week's dances, but the judges are hardly going to mark them all down, are they? That would be a bit of a downer for the show.
Originally Posted by beebopbabsie:
“Spot on. Undoubtedly what she did was very good but Kellie was running out of steam towards the end. It was nowhere near as accomplished as Jay's but the thing is everyone's jive will be compared to his now because he did it so early in the competition.”
“Spot on. Undoubtedly what she did was very good but Kellie was running out of steam towards the end. It was nowhere near as accomplished as Jay's but the thing is everyone's jive will be compared to his now because he did it so early in the competition.”
Do you expect the judges to bear in mind what they scored on a different week? the judges mark on the week in question - when Jay scored his marks for the jive he was well ahead of the rest of the field -deservedly so - imo opinion the marks for K and K's jive was about right for the night bearing in mind what others scored last night - the scoring being no reflection on Jay's whatsoever
Isn't "The Ghastly Cliftons" a stomach virus? Is Kellie was dancing with that she deserved 9s for bravery.
Totally agree, over marked for a Jive that wasn't even on the same planet as Jay's. I actually like Kevin and think he gets the best from each of his partners, and it was an accomplished Jive for sure. But as has been mentioned she was seriously flagging by the end and was out of time with Kevin a couple of times I saw, so no, compared to Jay's it was over marked.
Also the Judges scoring can be, and always has been, haphazard and personal. If a particular Judge likes a particular contestant for whatever reason they tend to score higher regardless of dance technique. They should be scoring on performances seen previously in the series so they have a grounding and it makes their scoring look logical. If they score per night and ignore what they have done before they just look hypocritical. They should be able by now to have a learning curve of scoring from week one through to the end which is why I don't think anyone should be seeing a 9 or a 10 till at least week 6/7. If they give them out to early they have nowhere else to go to show improvement in the dancer and they are stuck.
Also the Judges scoring can be, and always has been, haphazard and personal. If a particular Judge likes a particular contestant for whatever reason they tend to score higher regardless of dance technique. They should be scoring on performances seen previously in the series so they have a grounding and it makes their scoring look logical. If they score per night and ignore what they have done before they just look hypocritical. They should be able by now to have a learning curve of scoring from week one through to the end which is why I don't think anyone should be seeing a 9 or a 10 till at least week 6/7. If they give them out to early they have nowhere else to go to show improvement in the dancer and they are stuck.
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“Do you expect the judges to bear in mind what they scored on a different week? the judges mark on the week in question - when Jay scored his marks for the jive he was well ahead of the rest of the field -deservedly so - imo opinion the marks for K and K's jive was about right for the night bearing in mind what others scored last night - the scoring being no reflection on Jay's whatsoever”
“Do you expect the judges to bear in mind what they scored on a different week? the judges mark on the week in question - when Jay scored his marks for the jive he was well ahead of the rest of the field -deservedly so - imo opinion the marks for K and K's jive was about right for the night bearing in mind what others scored last night - the scoring being no reflection on Jay's whatsoever”
It sometimes takes them all their time to mark accurately against what's been done on the same night - let alone to what happened 2 weeks' ago!
It was clean despite the tiny mistake (I think she did -- she even gave a wince) but overall, I thought Kellie danced it as though she wanted to dig holes in the dance floor with her feet. Not a patch on Jay and Aliona's routine and execution, IMO.
If Jay had danced his jive last night he would have been pushing 40...the only reason the scores were close is because he danced his two weeks earlier. It is what it is.
it was a good jive. very different to jay and aliona's but equally well choreographed, full of content (as len would say) and presented well. she has a slight tendency to hunch into her shoulders which makes it look heavier than it actually is, i did notice kevin with his hand on her shoulder a few times, and i wondered if it was a cue not to sink too far.
Darcey giving Jay and Aliona 9 as it was week 3
This just shows that if a dance is good enough for 10 it should be anytime.
Bruno and Craig were better marking Kellie's 1 point less. Though I would argue it was probably 2 points worse.
This just shows that if a dance is good enough for 10 it should be anytime.
Bruno and Craig were better marking Kellie's 1 point less. Though I would argue it was probably 2 points worse.
I think as people have said the scoring will go up for the same standard of dance later in the competition.
SEBs Charleston was beaten in the same series by a couple of dancers IIRC.
It scored lower than Jays overall so I'm cool with it. It's likely if Jay had done his Jive this week he'd have been looking at the earliest ever 40, so it's all good.
Kellies looked better in training than on the night and I think Kevin may have packed in a bit too much, (it had more content than Jays but sometimes less is more) but I think it was still a great dance and worth being near the top.
SEBs Charleston was beaten in the same series by a couple of dancers IIRC.
It scored lower than Jays overall so I'm cool with it. It's likely if Jay had done his Jive this week he'd have been looking at the earliest ever 40, so it's all good.
Kellies looked better in training than on the night and I think Kevin may have packed in a bit too much, (it had more content than Jays but sometimes less is more) but I think it was still a great dance and worth being near the top.
Why can the pro dancers - in this case, Kevin - sing merrily along to their dance track but if a celeb does it the are hauled over the coals?
Because the judges know that the celebs are using it as a crutch to remember the choreography rather than as part of the performance?
I mean, the judges comments are quite short, how much time would you have given over to subjective critique of the aesthetics of the professional dancer's performance? I would have quite liked Camilla to occasionally dance like she didn't have her love eggs in, but I wouldn't expect the judges to be commenting on it. You'd then of course get the usual whines about "why are they scoring the pro it's supposed to be about the CELEBRITY!" you normally get when a pro's choreography gets called out.
True - it's just when the celebs get pulled up for something the pros are doing and it's not dancing related they could be forgiven for thinking, 'wut?'.
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“Do you expect the judges to bear in mind what they scored on a different week? the judges mark on the week in question - when Jay scored his marks for the jive he was well ahead of the rest of the field -deservedly so - imo opinion the marks for K and K's jive was about right for the night bearing in mind what others scored last night - the scoring being no reflection on Jay's whatsoever”
“Do you expect the judges to bear in mind what they scored on a different week? the judges mark on the week in question - when Jay scored his marks for the jive he was well ahead of the rest of the field -deservedly so - imo opinion the marks for K and K's jive was about right for the night bearing in mind what others scored last night - the scoring being no reflection on Jay's whatsoever”
Well if we can remember the scores so can the judges, they gave them. I don't agree that the judges should be marking on the week in question, it should be on the quality of the dance no matter what week it is, or how someone else scored that night. That way you'd get an accurate leaderboard still with accurate marking, and couples getting the scores they deserve.
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“Darcey giving Jay and Aliona 9 as it was week 3
This just shows that if a dance is good enough for 10 it should be anytime.
Bruno and Craig were better marking Kellie's 1 point less. Though I would argue it was probably 2 points worse.”
“Darcey giving Jay and Aliona 9 as it was week 3
This just shows that if a dance is good enough for 10 it should be anytime.
Bruno and Craig were better marking Kellie's 1 point less. Though I would argue it was probably 2 points worse.”
This is what I mean; Jay's jive deserved 10s but didn't get them, Kellie's jive was not on a par with his but got the same score from 2 judges. Craig and Bruno were right to mark them differently.
Just near the end I thought she went wrong or ran out of steam to finish the dance.
1.23 into the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpA_7nfxXQ
1.23 into the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpA_7nfxXQ
Originally Posted by beebopbabsie:
“Well if we can remember the scores so can the judges, they gave them. I don't agree that the judges should be marking on the week in question, it should be on the quality of the dance no matter what week it is, or how someone else scored that night. That way you'd get an accurate leaderboard still with accurate marking, and couples getting the scores they deserve.”
“Well if we can remember the scores so can the judges, they gave them. I don't agree that the judges should be marking on the week in question, it should be on the quality of the dance no matter what week it is, or how someone else scored that night. That way you'd get an accurate leaderboard still with accurate marking, and couples getting the scores they deserve.”
We can remember the whole scores and make decisions about particular dances, but judges only give their own score without knowing how the others have scored it. They only have 10 scores to give and over the course of the series they'll see approx 120 dances.
The simple maths if you take out any score below 5 (as only Craig uses those paddles) is that each judge on average will need to score on average 24 dances at each point score (5-10) When you look at it like that it's obvious that sometimes dances we consider not as good will get the same score as one we consider amazing, because they do have to ensure everybody is in the correct place on the leaderboard as well as take into account whether they have improved, how they were compared to others that night, how they were compared to another dance of the same type.
Eta: my personal opinion is Kellie was over scored but I don't think it's a huge travesty or conspiracy, I think Jay probably would have got 40 if he'd danced it this week.
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