Is she really as dense and gormless as the VTs make her appear or is this just an attempt to reinforce a stereotype?
Georgia
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Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“She appears a lovely young girl and a good Dancer imo. Can I offer you a Lemon.”
“She appears a lovely young girl and a good Dancer imo. Can I offer you a Lemon.”
I'm not commenting upon her dancing. I'm commenting upon the way she is being portrayed in these unfortunate VTs.
None of them do any favours to any of the participants as they are awkwardly scripted and very uncomfortable to watch.
I have no prior knowledge of this girl at all, as I had never heard of her before this series but it looks as if they are hellbent on trying to make her look like a northern "bumpkin" in every one of these VTs.
I prefer limes to lemons in any case...
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“I'm not commenting upon her dancing. I'm commenting upon the way she is being portrayed in these unfortunate VTs.
None of them do any favours to any of the participants as they are awkwardly scripted and very uncomfortable to watch.
I have no prior knowledge of this girl at all, as I had never heard of her before this series but it looks as if they are hellbent on trying to make her look like a northern "bumpkin" in every one of these VTs.
I prefer limes to lemons in any case...”
“I'm not commenting upon her dancing. I'm commenting upon the way she is being portrayed in these unfortunate VTs.
None of them do any favours to any of the participants as they are awkwardly scripted and very uncomfortable to watch.
I have no prior knowledge of this girl at all, as I had never heard of her before this series but it looks as if they are hellbent on trying to make her look like a northern "bumpkin" in every one of these VTs.
I prefer limes to lemons in any case...
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If all of the contestants are shown in an unfavourable light, then why have you decided to single out Georgia?
It seems like you're being a little disingenuous, disguising an insult as a question.
She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.
Originally Posted by David Waine:
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
She quit Corrie over 6 months ago so she isn't actually working right now.
I'm sure she isn't but I know what the OP means. Doesn't help that Georgia speaks in a voice that makes her sound a lot younger than she is. Bit like Joanne Clifton.
Originally Posted by David Waine:
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
I don't think she is in Corrie any more. As for her personality she just seems the quiet shy type to me, not very sure of herself - it is easy for people to turn that into being a bit gormless if they don't particularly take to her for whatever reason but it is nothing more than being judgmental without having any proof in order to denigrate someone.
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“If all of the contestants are shown in an unfavourable light, then why have you decided to single out Georgia?
It seems like you're being a little disingenuous, disguising an insult as a question.”
“If all of the contestants are shown in an unfavourable light, then why have you decided to single out Georgia?
It seems like you're being a little disingenuous, disguising an insult as a question.”
Because it comes across as an unfortunate attempt to pigeonhole her.
It would be a bit like portraying Carol Kirkwood as a tartan-clad haggis muncher, reciting Burns poetry all the time... and I doubt many people would think that was acceptable either.
If you care to look through my posts on this forum, I think you'll find that insulting the participants isn't really my usual practice. On the contrary, I cannot really find anything negative to say about any of them and my OP was framed to indicate that I find it more likely that the VTs are trying to portray this girl in a certain stereotypical manner because that way they can keep re-using the same tired old cliches week after week for as long as she stays in the contest.
Like I say, I don't know anything about her but it seems a little sad to reinforce her "Northern-ness" as the only thing they have to say about her. Maybe she ought to suggest they try to focus more on her progress in learning to dance, rather than where she comes from.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Because it comes across as an unfortunate attempt to pigeonhole her.
It would be a bit like portraying Carol Kirkwood as a tartan-clad haggis muncher, reciting Burns poetry all the time... and I doubt many people would think that was acceptable either.
If you care to look through my posts on this forum, I think you'll find that insulting the participants isn't really my usual practice. On the contrary, I cannot really find anything negative to say about any of them and my OP was framed to indicate that I find it more likely that the VTs are trying to portray this girl in a certain stereotypical manner because that way they can keep re-using the same tired old cliches week after week for as long as she stays in the contest.
Like I say, I don't know anything about her but it seems a little sad to reinforce her "Northern-ness" as the only thing they have to say about her. Maybe she ought to suggest they try to focus more on her progress in learning to dance, rather than where she comes from.”
“Because it comes across as an unfortunate attempt to pigeonhole her.
It would be a bit like portraying Carol Kirkwood as a tartan-clad haggis muncher, reciting Burns poetry all the time... and I doubt many people would think that was acceptable either.
If you care to look through my posts on this forum, I think you'll find that insulting the participants isn't really my usual practice. On the contrary, I cannot really find anything negative to say about any of them and my OP was framed to indicate that I find it more likely that the VTs are trying to portray this girl in a certain stereotypical manner because that way they can keep re-using the same tired old cliches week after week for as long as she stays in the contest.
Like I say, I don't know anything about her but it seems a little sad to reinforce her "Northern-ness" as the only thing they have to say about her. Maybe she ought to suggest they try to focus more on her progress in learning to dance, rather than where she comes from.”
In which case, I apologise.
I do indeed think producers are coercing her into fitting that "Northerner" role, but to me she doesn't come across as thick in the VTs.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I'm sure she isn't but I know what the OP means. Doesn't help that Georgia speaks in a voice that makes her sound a lot younger than she is. Bit like Joanne Clifton.”
“I'm sure she isn't but I know what the OP means. Doesn't help that Georgia speaks in a voice that makes her sound a lot younger than she is. Bit like Joanne Clifton.”
They've just dusted off the Chelsee and Pasha VT storlylining and recycled it.
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“In which case, I apologise.
I do indeed think producers are coercing her into fitting that "Northerner" role, but to me she doesn't come across as thick in the VTs.”
“In which case, I apologise.
I do indeed think producers are coercing her into fitting that "Northerner" role, but to me she doesn't come across as thick in the VTs.”
Maybe they ought to work a bit harder on their "scripts" then because it's not showing her well at all.
I'd happily see the end of these VTs and I'd rather even see a longer clip of their dance from the previous week than see all that contrived unfunny nonsense. Apart from anything else, it would save them money if they didn't keep sending camera teams out to film a load of pointless piffle. Or if they MUST send them out, just show some actual training instead.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“They've just dusted off the Chelsee and Pasha VT storlylining and recycled it.”
“They've just dusted off the Chelsee and Pasha VT storlylining and recycled it.”
lol - Yeah, with a bit of Louisa & Vincent thrown in for good measure.
Thing is, I found Louisa joyful and Chelsee endearing. Georgia falls into the 'nice but dull' category at the moment (and I'd be lying if I said her speaking voice doesn't grate).
I think you're far more likely to get an inkling of their personalities in interviews (eg with Zoe on ITT) than on those cheesey, made-up nonsense VT's. I don't consider Giovanni to be another Vincent-type stereotypical Italian lothario, when its obvious hes been told to act up that persona for the VTs.
In interviews, she comes across as level-headed, bubbly and friendly to me. And even though I don't judge on VTs, I can't remember seeing anything from her that made me think she was dense, in fact I can't remember much about the VT's at all (they never grab my attention) apart from her heavy Manc accent - which obviously has nothing to do with intelligence.
In interviews, she comes across as level-headed, bubbly and friendly to me. And even though I don't judge on VTs, I can't remember seeing anything from her that made me think she was dense, in fact I can't remember much about the VT's at all (they never grab my attention) apart from her heavy Manc accent - which obviously has nothing to do with intelligence.
I keep saying it but I wish they'd scrap those stupidly scripted VT's. And someone should tell Carol she doesn't have to sound like she's recording one THE WHOLE TIME!
As for Georgia, the "I feel like a sausage" or whatever the exact line was, made me cringe last night. I thought Kirsty's VT was by far the best. No silly nonsense.
I think Georgia has a lovely partnership with Giovanni and I'd much rather watch a snippet of their training sessions or ANYTHING between the two of them that isn't set up or scripted. And that goes for all the couples. Let them take their own videos on their phones or something - they'd probably be a 100 times better
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Rant over
As for Georgia, the "I feel like a sausage" or whatever the exact line was, made me cringe last night. I thought Kirsty's VT was by far the best. No silly nonsense.
I think Georgia has a lovely partnership with Giovanni and I'd much rather watch a snippet of their training sessions or ANYTHING between the two of them that isn't set up or scripted. And that goes for all the couples. Let them take their own videos on their phones or something - they'd probably be a 100 times better
.Rant over
I think Georgia is lovely. People also forget she is the youngest. She is naturally giggly and I think she is very polite and well brought up. Love her partnership with Giovanni.
I think a lot of people equate having a Northern accent with being thick
If she spoke like the Queen I doubt many people would be commenting on her supposed lack of intelligence
If she spoke like the Queen I doubt many people would be commenting on her supposed lack of intelligence
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I think Georgia is lovely. People also forget she is the youngest. She is naturally giggly and I think she is very polite and well brought up. Love her partnership with Giovanni.”
“I think Georgia is lovely. People also forget she is the youngest. She is naturally giggly and I think she is very polite and well brought up. Love her partnership with Giovanni.”
Exactly, the inept BBC are trying to put ideas into our heads that she and giovanni aren't really a couple. Ppl said the same about rachel and Vincent that they weren't really a couple and rachel came 2nd, that was a message of stuff you haters.
Originally Posted by David Waine:
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
“She is an actress and currently holding down a role in Coronation Street. That, in itself, is evidence that she is very unlikely to be dense or gormless. Professional acting requires intelligence. It is not easy. The VTs have always been deliberately cheesy. I wouldn't even begin to judge her by them. The quality of her dancing also suggests an ability to learn quickly - another sign of intelligence.”
Seems like Georgia is getting hate in other threads, which makes me sick.
Shows how often I watch Corrie. In the words of Paul Merton, 'The last time I watched Corrie, Albert Tatlock was sent home from school.' It doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. To be a professional actor or actress requires intelligence. Almost anybody can summon up a half-decent performance occasionally in amateur dramatics, but doing it to a professional standard, week, week out, is a different matter altogether.
It also turns out that she is a good dancer. This requires several things: athleticism (she has quite an athletic build and seems in good shape), a natural sense of rhythm (this is inborn), plus the ability to learn quickly (they all have only a few days to learn a new dance), plus the ability to think on her feet under pressure (in case something goes awry in the performance). The last two are not physical attributes, they are mental. They require intelligence. That underlines my original point. She is far from gormless. None of the contestants is gormless. They wouldn't have achieved what they have in their respective fields if they were.
It also turns out that she is a good dancer. This requires several things: athleticism (she has quite an athletic build and seems in good shape), a natural sense of rhythm (this is inborn), plus the ability to learn quickly (they all have only a few days to learn a new dance), plus the ability to think on her feet under pressure (in case something goes awry in the performance). The last two are not physical attributes, they are mental. They require intelligence. That underlines my original point. She is far from gormless. None of the contestants is gormless. They wouldn't have achieved what they have in their respective fields if they were.
Originally Posted by David Waine:
“Shows how often I watch Corrie. In the words of Paul Merton, 'The last time I watched Corrie, Albert Tatlock was sent home from school.' It doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. To be a professional actor or actress requires intelligence. Almost anybody can summon up a half-decent performance occasionally in amateur dramatics, but doing it to a professional standard, week, week out, is a different matter altogether.
It also turns out that she is a good dancer. This requires several things: athleticism (she has quite an athletic build and seems in good shape), a natural sense of rhythm (this is inborn), plus the ability to learn quickly (they all have only a few days to learn a new dance), plus the ability to think on her feet under pressure (in case something goes awry in the performance). The last two are not physical attributes, they are mental. They require intelligence. That underlines my original point. She is far from gormless. None of the contestants is gormless. They wouldn't have achieved what they have in their respective fields if they were.”
“Shows how often I watch Corrie. In the words of Paul Merton, 'The last time I watched Corrie, Albert Tatlock was sent home from school.' It doesn't change the rest of what I wrote, though. To be a professional actor or actress requires intelligence. Almost anybody can summon up a half-decent performance occasionally in amateur dramatics, but doing it to a professional standard, week, week out, is a different matter altogether.
It also turns out that she is a good dancer. This requires several things: athleticism (she has quite an athletic build and seems in good shape), a natural sense of rhythm (this is inborn), plus the ability to learn quickly (they all have only a few days to learn a new dance), plus the ability to think on her feet under pressure (in case something goes awry in the performance). The last two are not physical attributes, they are mental. They require intelligence. That underlines my original point. She is far from gormless. None of the contestants is gormless. They wouldn't have achieved what they have in their respective fields if they were.”
Everything what I say from you and more. Totally support this post.
The VT's are exceedingly naff and the worst part of the Strictly season, nobody comes out of them well and whoever comes up with the "storylines" are on another planet. Just show the training footage and some comments from the couple, or better still go straight into the dance on Saturday night. ITT already does all the training stuff anyway.
Originally Posted by Thrasymachus:
“I think a lot of people equate having a Northern accent with being thick
If she spoke like the Queen I doubt many people would be commenting on her supposed lack of intelligence”
“I think a lot of people equate having a Northern accent with being thick
If she spoke like the Queen I doubt many people would be commenting on her supposed lack of intelligence”
But talking 'posh' is no good either if all the Helen bashing comments are anything to go by.
It doesn't matter how you speak or how you look or how you behave somebody will find something to have a go at.
Originally Posted by GoinGaga:
“I keep saying it but I wish they'd scrap those stupidly scripted VT's. And someone should tell Carol she doesn't have to sound like she's recording one THE WHOLE TIME!
As for Georgia, the "I feel like a sausage" or whatever the exact line was, made me cringe last night. I thought Kirsty's VT was by far the best. No silly nonsense.
I think Georgia has a lovely partnership with Giovanni and I'd much rather watch a snippet of their training sessions or ANYTHING between the two of them that isn't set up or scripted. And that goes for all the couples. Let them take their own videos on their phones or something - they'd probably be a 100 times better.
Rant over”
“I keep saying it but I wish they'd scrap those stupidly scripted VT's. And someone should tell Carol she doesn't have to sound like she's recording one THE WHOLE TIME!
As for Georgia, the "I feel like a sausage" or whatever the exact line was, made me cringe last night. I thought Kirsty's VT was by far the best. No silly nonsense.
I think Georgia has a lovely partnership with Giovanni and I'd much rather watch a snippet of their training sessions or ANYTHING between the two of them that isn't set up or scripted. And that goes for all the couples. Let them take their own videos on their phones or something - they'd probably be a 100 times better
.Rant over
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All vids are scripted it would seem. Also I don't know it I'm right or wrong, but I don't think georgia and the big boss of the show get on just like rachel didn't get on with Sam Donnelly all that well. To me BBC are being so cynical really I think.
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“All vids are scripted it would seem. Also I don't know it I'm right or wrong, but I don't think georgia and the big boss of the show get on just like rachel didn't get on with Sam Donnelly all that well. To me BBC are being so cynical really I think.”
“All vids are scripted it would seem. Also I don't know it I'm right or wrong, but I don't think georgia and the big boss of the show get on just like rachel didn't get on with Sam Donnelly all that well. To me BBC are being so cynical really I think.”
Another conspiracy theory then.
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