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The Ratings Thread (Part 66)
Continuation of: The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
UK TV ratings: Strictly Come Dancing thrashes The X Factor by 3 million on Saturday night Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s104/...#ixzz3pZmuW5DM Follow us: @digitalspy on Twitter | digitalspyuk on Facebook |
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Strong again for Strictly although clearly the clash dented the final 20 minutes, preventing it from reaching the highs of last week. But that's a superb figure. Doctor Who appears to have found it's level. That's poor for Celebrity Chase but if Jekyll and Hyde comes in with a similar figure tonight...
My first reaction was 'ouch' for The X Factor so when putting it into context I'm not sure whether it's as dreadful as it first appears. Firstly, it was the first Saturday show for over a month and was seemingly not promoted. I'm not sure whether they actually pushed a return to Saturday's, other than at the end of last weekend's programme, as they were so obsessed with Jekyll and Hyde trailers. Secondly, Strictly had a headstart. Whilst the clash itself was cut in half, almost, The X Factor was up against the stronger of the two Strictly shows and starting midway through it - it was starting against presumably near 10m opposition rather than near 7m. That's always going to drag it down. Thirdly, I'm sorry but what were ITV thinking??? A 10.20pm finish??? They know audiences decline after 9.30pm as it is so why not have a two hour show last night and a two hour show tonight rather than plastering a lengthy show on Saturday and scheduling to start mid-way through Strictly tonight??? They could have then had Jekyll and Hyde starting at 7pm, which is at least more expected of ITV on a Sunday evening. Fourthly, The X Factor will still be in ITV's top three programming this week after Downton and Coronation Street and, indeed, if it sees an increase to over 7m tonight then it'll no doubt be number two. It may be slipping away but it's still one of their biggest shows of the season. Which admittedly may say more about ITV then The X Factor but bring Strictly down to that level and it'd still be BBC One's number one show of the moment. Fifthly, the one thing they might cling on to is the year-on-year decline is down to 0.6m on last year's Judges House Saturday episode and 0.8m on the respective weekend (which was week 3 of the live shows) including +1. Last year's Judges Houses episode had a longer clash with Strictly (30 minutes) and finished a lot earlier (9.20pm). Considering it was down 2m on launch maybe they'll take that? Before anyone tries to say I'm attempting to defend The X Factor etc. I'm not... to a degree... but every rating needs to be put into context. Is The X Factor still on the way out though? Very possibly as, whilst slowing, the declines are still happening. |
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Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s104/...#ixzz3pZmuW5DM Follow us: @digitalspy on Twitter | digitalspyuk on Facebook |
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Casualty lower than Doctor Who is a bit of a surprise. The two shows seemed pretty level with each other week on week.
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The Ratings Thread Archive
2006 to 2009
- Prelude (Christmas 2006) - Part 1 (January 2007 to April 2008) - Part 2 (April 2008 to October 2008) - Part 3 (1) (October 2008 to November 2008) - Part 3 (2) (November 2008 to January 2009) - Part 3 (3) (January 2009 to March 2009) - Part 3 (4) (March 2009 to June 2009) - Part 4 (August 2009 to October 2009) - Part 5 (October 2009 to December 2009) - Part 6 (December 2009 to February 2010) 2010 - Part 7 (February and March) - Part 8 (March and May) - Part 9 (May and June) - Part 10 (June to August) - Part 11 (August and September) - Part 12 (September and October) - Part 13 (October and November) - Part 14 (November and December) - Part 15 (December 2010 and January 2011) 2011 - Part 16 (January and February) - Part 17 (February and March) - Part 18 (March and April) - Part 19 (April and May) - Part 20 (May and June) - Part 21 (June and July) - Part 22 (July and August) - Part 23 (August) - Part 24 (August and September) - Part 25 (September and October) - Part 26 (October and November) - Part 27 (November) - Part 28 (November and December) - Part 29 (December 2011 and January 2012) 2012 - Part 30 (January) - Part 31 (January and February) - Part 32 (February and March) - Part 33 (March and April) - Part 34 (April and May) - Part 35 (May and June) - Part 36 (June) - Part 37 (June and July) - Part 38 (July and August) - Part 39 (August and September) - Part 40 (September and October) - Part 41 (October) - Part 42 (October and November) - Part 43 (November and December) - Part 44 (December 2012 and January 2013) 2013 - Part 45 (January and February) - Part 46 (February and March) - Part 47 (March and April) - Part 48 (April and May) - Part 49 (May to July) - Part 50 (July) - Part 51 (July and August) - Part 52 (August and September) - Part 53 (September and October) - Part 54 (October and November) - Part 55 (November and December) - Part 56 (December 2013 and January 2014) 2014 - Part 57 (January and February) - Part 58 (February to April) - Part 59 (April to June) - Part 60 (June to August) - Part 61 (August to October) - Part 62 (October to January 2015) 2015 - Part 63 (January to March) - Part 64 (March to August) - Part 65 (August to October) - Part 66 (Current thread) |
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X Factor (exc.+1): 6.35m (29.6%)
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Continuation of: The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
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Continuation of: The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
UK TV ratings: Strictly Come Dancing thrashes The X Factor by 3 million on Saturday night Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s104/...#ixzz3pZmuW5DM Follow us: @digitalspy on Twitter | digitalspyuk on Facebook I think TXF still has enough goodwill for it to continue. The redtops are still generally positive and keen to report on it, it still does well among teens, women with children and young women, and only DA and IAC rate higher in the autumn. SCD is a different beast. Its more sedate and upmarket nature appeal to a bigger demographic of older and ABC1 viewers and it's scheduled to get maximum effect, usually starting against shows like YBF. SCD has to be praised for continually achieving 9-10 million viewers over its 12 year run. |
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On the subject of Bank Holidays:
Because Christmas Day falls on a Friday and Boxing Day on Saturday there is an additional public holiday in the UK and Republic of Ireland on Monday December 28. |
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Repost of the ratings roundup.
Saturday 24th October 2015 - Overnights BBC One 06:00 - Breakfast: 1.37m (33.1%) 10:00 - Saturday Kitchen: 1.84m (24.8%) 11:30 - James Martin: Home Comforts: 1.57m (21.7%) 12:00 - BBC News: 1.60m (21.9%) 12:10 - Football Focus: 1.32m (16.6%) 12:50 - Saturday Sportsday: 1.21m (14.3%) 13:00 - Bargain Hunt: 1.42m (16.3%) 14:00 - Homes Under the Hammer: 1.27m (13.6%) 15:00 - Escape to the Country: 1.24m (11.5%) 16:00 - Final Score: 1.47m (10.3%) 17:25 - BBC News: 2.39m (14.2%) 17:45 - Pointless Celebrities: 4.27m (24.1%) 18:35 - Strictly Come Dancing: 9.32m (42.5%) 20:20 - Doctor Who: 4.39m (20.2%) 21:10 - Casualty: 3.95m (18.7%) 22:00 - The National Lottery Live: 3.09m (16.0%) 22:10 - BBC News: 3.82m (20.8%) 22:30 - Match of the Day: 3.64m (26.9%) BBC Two 18:10 - Flog It!: 1.04m (5.4%) 19:00 - Gardeners' World: 0.69m (3.2%) 19:30 - Great Continental Railway Journeys: 0.80m (3.5%) 20:30 - Dad's Army: 1.69m (7.8%) 21:00 - QI XL: 1.13m (5.3%) 21:45 - Formula 1: US Grand Prix - Qualifying Highlights: 1.37m (6.4%) ITV (inc +1) 15:00 - Rugby World Cup: South Africa v New Zealand: 3.87m (27.2%) 18:30 - ITV Regional News: 2.10m (11.0%) 18:40 - ITV News & Weather: 2.24m (10.8%) 19:00 - The Chase: Celebrity Special: 3.12m (14.2%) 20:00 - The X Factor: 6.67m (31.1%) * 6.35m (29.6%) exc. +1 * 5.58m (23.3%) during Strictly clash 22:25 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.37m (15.7%) 23:30 - ITV News & Weather: 1.25m (11.7%) Channel 4 (inc +1) 21:00 - It Was Alright in the 1980s: 1.14m (5.4%) * 930k (4.4%) exc. +1 22:00 - Gogglebox: 1.11m (6.5%) Channel 5 (inc +1) 21:00 - Football League Tonight: 0.46m (2.2%) 22:25 - FILM: The Fifth Element: 0.41m (3.8%) ITV 2 22:25 - The Xtra Factor: 0.36m (2.4%) Primetime shares BBC One: 28.7% ITV: 23.3% (+1: 1.0%) BBC Two: 4.8% Channel 4: 3.5% (+1: 0.6%) Channel 5: 1.9% (+1: 0.2%) BBC One Breakdown 17:45 - 2.94m (16.9%) 18:00 - 4.17m (23.8%) 18:15 - 5.10m (28.4%) 18:30 - 6.96m (35.7%) 18:45 - 8.45m (40.6%) 19:00 - 9.31m (43.6%) 19:15 - 9.56m (44.0%) 19:30 - 9.98m (45.0%) 19:45 - 10.14m (45.5%) 20:00 - 10.07m (42.1%) 20:15 - 6.13m (27.7%) 20:30 - 4.16m (19.3%) 20:45 - 4.12m (18.9%) 21:00 - 4.13m (19.4%) ITV Breakdown (inc +1) 19:00 - 2.58m (12.1%) 19:15 - 2.98m (13.7%) 19:30 - 3.38m (15.2%) 19:45 - 3.53m (15.8%) 20:00 - 5.84m (24.4%) 20:15 - 6.81m (30.7%) 20:30 - 7.16m (33.2%) 20:45 - 7.19m (33.0%) 21:00 - 6.94m (32.6%) 21:15 - 6.76m (31.7%) 21:30 - 6.76m (31.9%) 21:45 - 6.47m (30.5%) 22:00 - 6.34m (32.7%) 22:15 - 3.89m (21.7%) |
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New GMT time in the UK, new thread, new season, ya de ya de.
Traditionally ratings slightly go up across the board once the clocks change. It'll be dark by 5pm tonight. Not that there's much on the telly worth watching these days. But for Jekyll and Hyde's sake... I mean it'd be nice if it cracked 3 million. Of course the anti-ITV mafia will be praying on the hour throughout the day it tanks horribly.
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X Factor (exc.+1): 6.35m (29.6%)
X Factor (inc.+1): 6.68m (31.1%) Strictly: 9.32m (42.5%)
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I think SCD has been more lucky this year, being scheduled away from the RUWC and not having to take an enforced break for 5 weeks, which has probably hit TXF on its return. Next year TXF won't have such worries and should it last to 2019, when the next RUWC is being held, this is in Japan and won't be shown in primetime.
I think TXF still has enough goodwill for it to continue. The redtops are still generally positive and keen to report on it, it still does well among teens, women with children and young women, and only DA and IAC rate higher in the autumn. SCD is a different beast. Its more sedate and upmarket nature appeal to a bigger demographic of older and ABC1 viewers and it's scheduled to get maximum effect, usually starting against shows like YBF. SCD has to be praised for continually achieving 9-10 million viewers over its 12 year run. |
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New GMT time in the UK, new thread, new season, ya de ya de.
Traditionally ratings slightly go up across the board once the clocks change. It'll be dark by 5pm tonight. Not that there's much on the telly worth watching these days. But for Jekyll and Hyde's sake... I mean it'd be nice if it cracked 3 million. Of course the anti-ITV mafia will be praying on the hour throughout the day it tanks horribly. ![]() |
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Not exactly a Super Saturday for ITV last night. More a "Suspicious Saturday" if certain rumblings on other threads are to be believed.
I didn't see either show, but questions asked in other threads: Celebrity Chase - why is the chaser getting seemingly easy questions wrong in the celebrity edition that you might expect them to normally get? X Factor - is autotune back with a vengeance, given certain acts sounded incredibly polished compared to others? |
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I think some people sometimes read too much into why TXF is declining. For instance, yesterday's episode got criticised for being chaotic/having bad presenting/awful/disorganised etc but the viewers wouldn't have known that until they'd actually watched it. It could've been the best show ever but it still would've rated around that 6.7m mark give or take 200k because the viewers had already decided prior to watching the episode if they would be tuning in or not.
Over the last four years there's been so many reasons attributed to why TXF is declining. One year it was apparently too nasty and that's why its ratings dropped, but the following year the show was too safe/nice and its ratings dropped anyway. Gary Barlow was called boring and the ratings fell, but Cowell came back and ratings still fell. The old bootcamp format was apparently stale, it was changed to the Six Chair Challenge and that's considered too evil and one of the reasons the ratings continue to fall. One series was criticised for having too many joke/controversial acts and was apparently a reason for the falling ratings. The following year there were none of those type of acts and the series was branded boring and people said that's why the ratings dropped. Last year the judges houses format was criticised for being flat and repetitive hence the low figures, this year it gets rebranded for the first time in its history and the ratings fall anyway. Tulisa was branded as a 'chav' and wasn't appealing to the mainstream audience at home, part of the reason why the ratings were falling. Cheryl comes back (who was part of the show when it was at its most successful) and the ratings fell further still. The auditions have been changed to arena auditions, room auditions, a hybrid of both, back to the arena auditions - the ratings fell regardless. The point I'm trying to make is: whatever the producers do with TXF, whatever changes they make, the show is still pretty much destined to drop in the ratings every year. They've made virtually every change they can do to the show in terms of judges, contestant casting, tone, type of songs, presenter/s, format etc. It hasn't made a single difference to the ratings falling each year since 2011. It's just one of those things. The show was part of the national conversation during 2008-2010, it pushed the limits and the ratings went astronomic. But they pushed the limits too far and there was no way to go from then on. As the show stopped becoming part of the national conversation, the casual viewers who would perhaps tune in now and again prior to 2009 or even regularly during the 2009/2010 peak due to everyone talking about it, has now gone. It's not on those people's radars anymore at all, the Bake Off has taken its place this year as the "cool thing to watch which everyone is talking about" and in 3 years it will be something else and so on. There's now a hardcore 6.5-7.5m who will watch it every week, whether it is at the higher or lower end of that range is dependent on things like scheduling, competition, promotion, duration of episode, buzz (to a small extent). This series won't go much higher than 7.5m nor will it drop much lower than 6.5m, it will be in that range most of the time. As the casual audience just simply don't have the slight bit of interest in it anymore, it won't experience the kind of odd week-to-week boosts (perhaps following a shock decision/amazing performance etc) as it may have done back in 2008-2010. It'll just carry on at that 6.5-7.5m range +/- 500k. Obviously managing the decline until TXF is ultimately axed will be what ITV/Syco/Thames need to do. But given as I highlighted earlier pretty much every change that could be done has been done, I don't think there is much that can be done really to prevent the audience from dropping another 5-10% every year. As with any format, it's simply running out of steam: some formats run out of steam after 3 series, some after 5, TXF was after 8-10 or so, SCD hasn't yet after 13. What ITV have to be doing soon is to start marginalising TXF from the schedules, still keeping it part of prime time but not giving it such prominent long slots - otherwise how on earth are they going to find the space in the schedules to launch new shows in Autumn to potentially replace it when the ratings for TXF eventually fall so low that it has to be cancelled? A case in point being tonight's Jekyll & Hyde, 6.30pm is a bit too early, 7pm would've been ideal and probably helped give it another 0.5m boost but isn't possible due to the sheer duration of TXF. |
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In response to mintbro, the last time a new episode of Baywatch was shown on ITV on a Saturday night was July 19th 1997.
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Some consolidated numbers for Doctor Who over the years.
Lowest rated Doctor Who episodes Code:
01. 03 Oct 2015 - 5.63 million 02. 26 Sep 2015 - 5.71 million 03. 10 Oct 2015 - 6.05 million 04. 10 Jun 2006 - 6.08 million 05. 31 May 2008 - 6.27 million 06. 03 Jun 2006 - 6.32 million 07. 12 Jun 2010 - 6.44 million 08. 04 May 2013 - 6.47 million 09. 22 May 2010 - 6.49 million 10. 27 Apr 2013 - 6.50 million 11. 03 May 2008 - 6.53 million 12. 19 Sep 2015 - 6.54 million 13. 20 Apr 2013 - 6.61 million 14. 09 Jun 2007 - 6.62 million 15. 11 May 2013 - 6.64 million Number of episodes in the bottom 15. 2005 - 0 2006 - 2 2007 - 1 2008 - 2 2009 - specials only 2010 - 2 2011 - 0 2012 - 0 2013 - 4 2014 - 0 2015 - 4 |
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Re Jekyl: Its on a hiding to nothing it would seem. Too early anyway and seemingly with questionable content for that time. On the face of it ITV have got this wrong.
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I think some people sometimes read too much into why TXF is declining. For instance, yesterday's episode got criticised for being chaotic/having bad presenting/awful/disorganised etc but the viewers wouldn't have known that until they'd actually watched it. It could've been the best show ever but it still would've rated around that 6.7m mark give or take 200k because the viewers had already decided prior to watching the episode if they would be tuning in or not.
Over the last four years there's been so many reasons attributed to why TXF is declining. One year it was apparently too nasty and that's why its ratings dropped, but the following year the show was too safe/nice and its ratings dropped anyway. Gary Barlow was called boring and the ratings fell, but Cowell came back and ratings still fell. The old bootcamp format was apparently stale, it was changed to the Six Chair Challenge and that's considered too evil and one of the reasons the ratings continue to fall. One series was criticised for having too many joke/controversial acts and was apparently a reason for the falling ratings. The following year there were none of those type of acts and the series was branded boring and people said that's why the ratings dropped. Last year the judges houses format was criticised for being flat and repetitive hence the low figures, this year it gets rebranded for the first time in its history and the ratings fall anyway. Tulisa was branded as a 'chav' and wasn't appealing to the mainstream audience at home, part of the reason why the ratings were falling. Cheryl comes back (who was part of the show when it was at its most successful) and the ratings fell further still. The auditions have been changed to arena auditions, room auditions, a hybrid of both, back to the arena auditions - the ratings fell regardless. The point I'm trying to make is: whatever the producers do with TXF, whatever changes they make, the show is still pretty much destined to drop in the ratings every year. They've made virtually every change they can do to the show in terms of judges, contestant casting, tone, type of songs, presenter/s, format etc. It hasn't made a single difference to the ratings falling each year since 2011. It's just one of those things. The show was part of the national conversation during 2008-2010, it pushed the limits and the ratings went astronomic. But they pushed the limits too far and there was no way to go from then on. As the show stopped becoming part of the national conversation, the casual viewers who would perhaps tune in now and again prior to 2009 or even regularly during the 2009/2010 peak due to everyone talking about it, has now gone. It's not on those people's radars anymore at all, the Bake Off has taken its place this year as the "cool thing to watch which everyone is talking about" and in 3 years it will be something else and so on. There's now a hardcore 6.5-7.5m who will watch it every week, whether it is at the higher or lower end of that range is dependent on things like scheduling, competition, promotion, duration of episode, buzz (to a small extent). This series won't go much higher than 7.5m nor will it drop much lower than 6.5m, it will be in that range most of the time. As the casual audience just simply don't have the slight bit of interest in it anymore, it won't experience the kind of odd week-to-week boosts (perhaps following a shock decision/amazing performance etc) as it may have done back in 2008-2010. It'll just carry on at that 6.5-7.5m range +/- 500k. Obviously managing the decline until TXF is ultimately axed will be what ITV/Syco/Thames need to do. But given as I highlighted earlier pretty much every change that could be done has been done, I don't think there is much that can be done really to prevent the audience from dropping another 5-10% every year. As with any format, it's simply running out of steam: some formats run out of steam after 3 series, some after 5, TXF was after 8-10 or so, SCD hasn't yet after 13. What ITV have to be doing soon is to start marginalising TXF from the schedules, still keeping it part of prime time but not giving it such prominent long slots - otherwise how on earth are they going to find the space in the schedules to launch new shows in Autumn to potentially replace it when the ratings for TXF eventually fall so low that it has to be cancelled? A case in point being tonight's Jekyll & Hyde, 6.30pm is a bit too early, 7pm would've been ideal and probably helped give it another 0.5m boost but isn't possible due to the sheer duration of TXF. I agree, - bar staged, XF related articles in the tabloids XF is no longer a conversation topic, anywhere. SCD however remains the Bulls Bxxxxxxxxxxs as Bruno put it, with ten million viewers. |
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Ratings do show that whilst there was an increase as SCD ended, then XF was losing viewers from 20.45 and kept loosing them, so the audience was walking.
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Some consolidated numbers for Doctor Who over the years.
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01. 03 Oct 2015 - 5.63 million 02. 26 Sep 2015 - 5.71 million 03. 10 Oct 2015 - 6.05 million 04. 10 Jun 2006 - 6.08 million 05. 31 May 2008 - 6.27 million 06. 03 Jun 2006 - 6.32 million 07. 12 Jun 2010 - 6.44 million 08. 04 May 2013 - 6.47 million 09. 22 May 2010 - 6.49 million 10. 27 Apr 2013 - 6.50 million 11. 03 May 2008 - 6.53 million 12. 19 Sep 2015 - 6.54 million 13. 20 Apr 2013 - 6.61 million 14. 09 Jun 2007 - 6.62 million 15. 11 May 2013 - 6.64 million Number of episodes in the bottom 15. 2005 - 0 2006 - 2 2007 - 1 2008 - 2 2009 - specials only 2010 - 2 2011 - 0 2012 - 0 2013 - 4 2014 - 0 2015 - 4 |
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Re Jekyl: Its on a hiding to nothing it would seem. Too early anyway and seemingly with questionable content for that time. On the face of it ITV have got this wrong.
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The breakdown shows that the audience was dropping from 9pm onwards which is completely in trend with what has happened the last few years with every XF episode because the total tv audience drops from 9pm onwards. Even if you assume the audience had remained stable after 9pm to 10.20pm compared to the 8.45-9pm (which is unrealistic given how much lower viewing levels are especially from 9.30 onwarfs) it wouldn't have made much difference to the overall average of the episode (anymore than a 200k uplift).
In total percentage terms it was falling as well from 8.45. Viewers switching over. 1.4% left and went elsewhere up to 8.45, then 0.9% left up to 9.15. And at 9.45 1.4% gave up. 20:30 - 7.16m (33.2%) 20:45 - 7.19m (33.0%) 21:00 - 6.94m (32.6%) 21:15 - 6.76m (31.7%) 21:30 - 6.76m (31.9%) 21:45 - 6.47m (30.5%) 22:00 - 6.34m (32.7%) 22:15 - 3.89m (21.7%) |
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What might be more surprising is that none of last year's series appears
As the trailer for this year's series was keen to point out - It's the same old, same old. Viewers judged the 'new' show last year and now we're seeing the results. I can only assume many fangirls have decided there's no potential boyfriend material in the show now, whilst the older viewers haven't been tempted back permanently by Capaldi or the silly stories that feel far too much like children's TV rather than family drama and entertainment. Last night's episode with a girl who could put on a man's voice, a fire-breathing cat, the silly girl behaving like a stroppy teenage goth all the way through, only to snap out of it when she got everyone into trouble and was soooo sorry, and everyone cheering and smiling immediately after someone saved the day was a text book example of children's TV. If the producers think throwing in willy jokes is all it takes to cater for adult viewers, no wonder the ratings are in decline. And I don't think the show did itself any favours last week when it showed clips of David Tennant and Catherine Tate at their peak, a long, long time ago... It just instantly reminded everyone of the fun, energy and personality the show used to have. |
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