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The Ratings Thread (Part 66)
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Chris1964
10-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Oh, I see. It's the new 28 day measure they're talking about. Fair enough. Still, clutching at straws a bit here, aren't we?

The Saturday edition of Strictly is also conveniently ignored.”

.......as is the unknown iplayer figure
mlt11
11-11-2015
ITV quarterly results were out yesterday and the pattern we have seen for a long time continues:

10 months to 31 October 2015:

ITV(1) SOCI - down 4%
ITV Family SOCI - down 3%

and yet:

9 months to 30 September 2015:

ITV Family advertising revenue - up 6%

And, significantly, advertising revenue is up more than the market - ie ITV's share of the advertising market is up, despite SOCI falling.

So, despite all we hear about ratings day in day out, ITV continues to perform very, very strongly - and whilst that is the case they have no incentive whatsoever to spend any more money on programming.

Now some might wonder "Ah, but aren't they storing up problems for the future?" Well maybe, maybe not - but the same thing could have been said at any time over the last few years - and yet the same ratings trends continue without any impact on the financial results.

The answer appears to be that ITV is still quite simply the only place to advertise if you want to get to the mass market. Whether X Factor gets 8m or 7m or 6m really just doesn't matter if all other commercial channels can only get audiences which are a fraction of ITV's.

So it appears that the strategy will remain exactly as it has been for some time - focus on the 4 key areas, ie:

Soaps
Big hitters - XF, BGT, IAC (+ TV to be added)
Sport - WC, EC, RWC, England internationals (+ 6N now added to partially offset loss of CL, FAC)
High profile drama

Ensure that those 4 areas continue to be head and shoulders above anything on any other commercial channel - which they are - and then the entire rest of the schedule is just filler to be done at minimum cost to keep the overall total programme budget flat.

And if the programme budget is held flat (or at least very close to flat) whilst advertising revenue rises then profits must rise - which is what has been happening now for many years (since they hit rock bottom in 2008).

NB. Advertising revenue growth will be weaker in Q4 of 2015 - forecast at 3% - but that is still growth.

http://www.itvplc.com/media/news/itv...ng-update-2015
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Excellent news.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/x...y-come-6806596”

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“News? The Mirror's banging on about consolidated ratings that are 4 weeks old. Hardly news.

Bizarre article.”

The ratings are a month old and leave out the Saturday edition on October 3rd which had 9.27m and 9.47m after 28 days.

It's almost as if people from X Factor/ITV are sending this info out and being cute with the figures.

Anybody with a modicum of intelligence can spot what it's trying to do along with the omission of the Saturday Strictly rating.

You have to laugh really.
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“But it does beg the question - what if we've been getting this ratings war wrong all along?”

It begs the question why have the OR teams sent out info with only some of the ratings?
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“We have not. XF does sometimes beat SCD especially on Sundays when SCD has much lower timeshifts. We have known about these for years.”

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Hardly. That was 4 October, when they clashed heavily (X Factor having a headstart) and there was only a few hundred thousand between them in the overnights. Now it's several million.”

If the headline read 'X Factor beats Strictly Sunday results show but not Saturday performance show' it would be more accurate.
sn_22
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“So, despite all we hear about ratings day in day out, ITV continues to perform very, very strongly - and whilst that is the case they have no incentive whatsoever to spend any more money on programming.

Now some might wonder "Ah, but aren't they storing up problems for the future?" Well maybe, maybe not - but the same thing could have been said at any time over the last few years - and yet the same ratings trends continue without any impact on the financial results.

The answer appears to be that ITV is still quite simply the only place to advertise if you want to get to the mass market. Whether X Factor gets 8m or 7m or 6m really just doesn't matter if all other commercial channels can only get audiences which are a fraction of ITV's.”

Very interesting stuff indeed, and quite clearly explains the on-screen strategy we've seen from ITV for years now. If they wanted to make a better fist of the ratings rat race, they have hundreds of millions of pounds to do it with. They simply choose not to.

For all the talk of the BBC's market impact, that's (one of) the much bigger issues in the British TV industry. ITV's dominance of the commercial space is such that rather than feeling compelled to invest in programmes, they can just keep a lid on content spend and flesh out their profit margins. If only we had a bit of genuine, commercial mass-audience competition, we might see some of that money get invested. It's why I'd love to see a Viacom-owned C5 make a big content push, but alas it seems very unlikely.
mlt11
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“For all the talk of the BBC's market impact, that's (one of) the much bigger issues in the British TV industry. ITV's dominance of the commercial space is such that rather than feeling compelled to invest in programmes, they can just keep a lid on content spend and flesh out their profit margins. If only we had a bit of genuine, commercial mass-audience competition, we might see some of that money get invested. It's why I'd love to see a Viacom-owned C5 make a big content push, but alas it seems very unlikely.”

Yes, that's exactly right.

The British TV industry is interesting in the sense that there are 3 very large dominant players - ie BBC, ITV and Sky - but they get their revenue (or at least the overwhelming majority of it) from 3 completely different sources - ie licence fee, advertising and subscriptions.

So whilst they compete for audiences, programme rights, sports rights and talent etc they aren't actually competing for revenues - hence ITV being able to follow its existing strategy.

The only serious threat that could theoretically emerge to change this would be a huge increase in competition from C4 or C5 (eg privatisation of C4 coupled with big reduction of PSB commitments; big increase in C5 programming spend).

But the change would have to be massive - a bit of tinkering around the edges isn't going to have any material effect.

As an example I guess it would require something like C5 to sign up Ant & Dec + Cowell + Norton all exclusively (coupled with the rights to as much of their programming as possible) + significant major sport (ie stuff currently on BBC1 / ITV1) - ie something so massive that it would completely transform the landscape.

And, realistically, the above is not very likely to happen.
Only_You
11-11-2015
Michael McIntyre confirmed for Christmas Day on BBC1
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Only_You:
“Michael McIntyre confirmed for Christmas Day on BBC1”

It's going to pretty much be SOAH, Mrs Brown, and McIntyre up against the final Dowton.
stv viewer
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“It's going to pretty much be SOAH, Mrs Brown, and McIntyre up against the final Dowton.”

No I think it will be Eastenders, Mrs Brown and michael McIntyre v Downton Abbey
James J
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“If the headline read 'X Factor beats Strictly Sunday results show but not Saturday performance show' it would be more accurate.”

Mightn't be as catchy?
centauri72
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“No I think it will be Eastenders, Mrs Brown and michael McIntyre v Downton Abbey”

Both Mrs Brown and Downton should consolidate massively. Could we see record levels added to the overnights - maybe 4 or even 5 million for the first time? Or will they both be repeated in the following days thus stopping that?
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by James J:
“Mightn't be as catchy? ”

It wouldn't need the defensive headlines if it was performing well
Dancc
11-11-2015
Channel 5's stunning new natural history series Loch Lomond: A Year in the Wild started very strongly last night with 1.61m (7.6%) at 8pm.
Dancc
11-11-2015
BBC Two's MasterChef: The Professionals was another big success story on the night with 3.12m (14.6%) tuning in.
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Channel 5's stunning new natural history series Loch Lomond: A Year in the Wild started very strongly last night with 1.61m (7.6%) at 8pm.”

A doc that isn't Benefits related. Finally Channel 5 moving away into respectable programme making territory.
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“It wouldn't need the defensive headlines if it was performing well ”

Speaking of which. Mark Gatiss is talking about Doctor Who ratings.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...ke-off-is-over
Dancc
11-11-2015
The Great Pottery Throw Down increased its audience to 2.06m (9.8%) in week 2, virtually matching 24 Hours in A&E's 2.07m (9.8%) for C4.
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Channel 5's stunning new natural history series Loch Lomond: A Year in the Wild started very strongly last night with 1.61m (7.6%) at 8pm.”

That was a good factual programme. Glad it did well for Channel 5. More of this would be good for the channel.

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“BBC Two's MasterChef: The Professionals was another big success story on the night with 3.12m (14.6%) tuning in.”

That's a great rating for Masterchef. So many variations and they all do well.
James J
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Speaking of which. Mark Gatiss is talking about Doctor Who ratings.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...ke-off-is-over”

He speaks a lot of sense in my opinion.
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by James J:
“He speaks a lot of sense in my opinion.”

He does, almost as though he is being groomed as the new showrunner.
Dancc
11-11-2015
The standout multichannel performer of the night was the latest screening of Billy Elliot on BBC Four (0.72m/3.8%).
simonk243
11-11-2015
Anything for Mondays live at the apollo on bbc2 not reported on ds. Also interested in how pick me is doing (poor I imagine)

Thanks
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“The Great Pottery Throw Down increased its audience to 2.06m (9.8%) in week 2, virtually matching 24 Hours in A&E's 2.07m (9.8%) for C4.”

I know Pottery Throwdown is hardly original and has some schoolboy innuendo. But to my shock I actually enjoy it! I feel ashamed!
Oliver_Tomlinso
11-11-2015
Will pottery throw down become the next bake off?
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“Will pottery throw down become the next bake off?”

I think GoggleBox will have helped bring in some extra viewers
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