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The Ratings Thread (Part 66)
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omnidirectional
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Channel 5's stunning new natural history series Loch Lomond: A Year in the Wild started very strongly last night with 1.61m (7.6%) at 8pm.”

Excellent. Wildlife documentaries aren't something traditionally associated with C5 so it's great to see it perform so well.
derek500
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“The Great Pottery Throw Down increased its audience to 2.06m (9.8%) in week 2, virtually matching 24 Hours in A&E's 2.07m (9.8%) for C4.”

It's the Gogglebox effect!!

Last week's featured shows Antique Roadshow, The Hunt, SAS, Pottery Throwdown all up this week (I think).
Dancc
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“Excellent. Wildlife documentaries aren't something traditionally associated with C5 so it's great to see it perform so well.”

The filmmaker is quoted as saying it's a genre C5 are keen to have more of a go at as the BBC have a monopoly on it currently. No reason why that should be the case although they can be very expensive to produce. This was a challenging shoot I understand but the results impressive and show what can be achieved. The ratings reward is well deserved.

I see The Guardian couldn't resist having a pop about the benefits docs etc in their review. Not really necessary, but it would kill them to have to write two whole paragraphs that were exclusively positive about C5.
Straker
11-11-2015
It'll take more than one short nature series to turn the C5 ship around from:

Quote:
“....a slot that last week was home to a programme called Pets Who Hate Vets. There are no cops in it, or people having their stuff repossessed. It contains no one who is claiming benefits for their 26 kids..”

cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by derek500:
“It's the Gogglebox effect!!

Last week's featured shows Antique Roadshow, The Hunt, SAS, Pottery Throwdown all up this week (I think).”

You could make a case for a good response on Gogglebox being equivalent to being plugged on a talk show.
all_night
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Straker:
“It'll take more than one short nature series to turn the C5 ship around from:”

Well at least people don't associate C5 with soft porn and Night Fever anymore
James J
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“It's going to pretty much be SOAH, Mrs Brown, and McIntyre up against the final Dowton.”

It'll almost certainly be:

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Doctor Who
7.15 Still Open All Hours
7.50 Call The Midwife
9.00 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News

Some people think Stick Man will be on Christmas Day, others that Doctor Who will go before Strictly this year. Other potential options then:

If DW is given the early slot
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Doctor Who
6.00 Strictly Come Dancing

7.15 Still Open All Hours
7.50 Call The Midwife
9.00 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News


If Stick Man is on Xmas Day
Spoiler

It would likely be paired with DW:

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Stick Man
5.30 Doctor Who

6.30 Strictly Come Dancing
7.45 Still Open All Hours
8.20 Call The Midwife
9.30 EastEnders
10.35 Mrs Brown's Boys
11.10 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
00.05 BBC News

Or Midwife could move earlier for Stick Man/Who:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Call The Midwife
7.25 Still Open All Hours
8.00 Stick Man
8.30 Doctor Who

9.30 EastEnders
10.35 Mrs Brown's Boys
11.10 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show


Or perhaps EastEnders will be split:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Doctor Who
7.15 EastEnders
7.45 Still Open All Hours
8.20 Call The Midwife
9.30 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News


Or maybe Call The Midwife will sod off to another night so EE can be split and Stick Man can air:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Still Open All Hours
6.50 Doctor Who
7.50 EastEnders
8.20 Stick Man
8.50 EastEnders

9.25 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.00 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.00 BBC News


It is possibly Jenna Coleman's last Doctor Who episode this Christmas so it would be nice for it to air later in the evening.

I still think it'll be the first option and Stick Man will air on a different day. Call The Bloody Midwife.
cylon6
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by all_night:
“Well at least people don't associate C5 with soft porn and Night Fever anymore ”

Those were dark days! Channel 5 is a much better channel now certainly with factual.
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by James J:
“It is possibly Jenna Coleman's last Doctor Who episode this Christmas so it would be nice for it to air later in the evening.

I still think it'll be the first option and Stick Man will air on a different day. Call The Bloody Midwife. ”

I would go with the first option but flip Strictly and Doctor Who around.
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Eastenders 6.63m (32.9%)
Emmerdale 6.19m (32.4%)
Holby City 4.5m (21.1%)
Hollyoaks 811k (4.3%)
Neighbours 797k (11.8%) and 673k (4.3%)
Doctors 1.38m (20.4%)
Home and Away 211k (3.1%) and 433k (2.3%)
James J
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“I would go with the first option but flip Strictly and Doctor Who around.”

That would be this option:

If DW is given the early slot
Spoiler
3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Doctor Who
6.00 Strictly Come Dancing
7.15 Still Open All Hours
7.50 Call The Midwife
9.00 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News


Yeah, could happen given SCD is still firing off all cylinders.
James J
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Eastenders 6.63m (32.9%)
Emmerdale 6.19m (32.4%)
Holby City 4.5m (21.1%)”

Good number for EE and a good share for both.
Minute Mart 1
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Very interesting stuff indeed, and quite clearly explains the on-screen strategy we've seen from ITV for years now. If they wanted to make a better fist of the ratings rat race, they have hundreds of millions of pounds to do it with. They simply choose not to.

For all the talk of the BBC's market impact, that's (one of) the much bigger issues in the British TV industry. ITV's dominance of the commercial space is such that rather than feeling compelled to invest in programmes, they can just keep a lid on content spend and flesh out their profit margins. If only we had a bit of genuine, commercial mass-audience competition, we might see some of that money get invested. It's why I'd love to see a Viacom-owned C5 make a big content push, but alas it seems very unlikely.”

You need another big commercial mainstream channel to rival itv. I know you could say that it is BBC One who does challenge itv in terms of programmes, but of course it is a public funded organisation and although imo BBC One is in better shape as a channel it is going to face tough decisions with the likes of the Rt Hon John Whittingdale,OBE, Member of Parliament for Maldon and Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport on its case morning noon and night, he tends to lean more towards the commercial broadcaster.

I am surprised Murdoch has not got some sort of Consortium together to rival itv with a main entertainment channel. Perhaps if this happened some of the most popular BBC shows like Strictly, EastEnders, Doctor Who, Sherlock could be shown on this channel and target itv at every opportunity taking the broadcaster head on. This would hopefully then make itv up their game?

I am sure this would not happen as commercial broadcasters are a business and only interested in the balance sheet as is pretty obvious with itv.
Minute Mart 1
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by James J:
“Good number for EE and a good share for both.”

A good night for the soaps and EE. Nice to see Emmerdale staying over the 6 million mark.
lewiep93
11-11-2015
Oh goodness it's that time of year again. Christmas comes around way too fast.

Here's my predictions, BBC 1 is very similar to James' but I've split EastEnders into two.

BBC 1
15:00: The Queen
15:10: Film: Wreck-It Ralph (runtime is 1hr 40m but 5 minutes is always knocked off the credits?)
16:45: BBC News
17:00: Doctor Who
18:00: Strictly Come Dancing (this could be swapped with DW)
19:15: Call the Midwife
20:30: EastEnders
21:00: Still Open All Hours (I do think we need another sitcom in the schedule)
21:30: EastEnders
22:00: Mrs Brown’s Boys (maybe too late for MBB?)
22:35: Michael McIntyre’s Big Christmas Show
23:35: BBC News

And the ITV could do this...

ITV
15:00: The Queen
15:10: Film
17:15: ITV News
17:30: Paul O’Grady’s For the Love of Dogs
18:30: Emmerdale
19:30: Coronation Street (no EE clash)
20:30: Downton Abbey
22:30: ITV News
Minute Mart 1
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by James J:
“It'll almost certainly be:

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Doctor Who
7.15 Still Open All Hours
7.50 Call The Midwife
9.00 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News

Some people think Stick Man will be on Christmas Day, others that Doctor Who will go before Strictly this year. Other potential options then:

If DW is given the early slot
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Doctor Who
6.00 Strictly Come Dancing

7.15 Still Open All Hours
7.50 Call The Midwife
9.00 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News


If Stick Man is on Xmas Day
Spoiler

It would likely be paired with DW:

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Stick Man
5.30 Doctor Who

6.30 Strictly Come Dancing
7.45 Still Open All Hours
8.20 Call The Midwife
9.30 EastEnders
10.35 Mrs Brown's Boys
11.10 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
00.05 BBC News

Or Midwife could move earlier for Stick Man/Who:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Call The Midwife
7.25 Still Open All Hours
8.00 Stick Man
8.30 Doctor Who

9.30 EastEnders
10.35 Mrs Brown's Boys
11.10 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show


Or perhaps EastEnders will be split:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Doctor Who
7.15 EastEnders
7.45 Still Open All Hours
8.20 Call The Midwife
9.30 EastEnders
10.05 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.40 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.40 BBC News


Or maybe Call The Midwife will sod off to another night so EE can be split and Stick Man can air:
Spoiler

3.00 Queen
3.10 Film: Wreck it Ralph
4.40 BBC News & Weather
5.00 Strictly Come Dancing
6.15 Still Open All Hours
6.50 Doctor Who
7.50 EastEnders
8.20 Stick Man
8.50 EastEnders

9.25 Mrs Brown's Boys
10.00 Michael McIntyre's Christmassy Christmas Show
11.00 BBC News


It is possibly Jenna Coleman's last Doctor Who episode this Christmas so it would be nice for it to air later in the evening.

I still think it'll be the first option and Stick Man will air on a different day. Call The Bloody Midwife. ”

I am sure the BBC would like to split EE but with itv having to large blocks of soaps for 2 hours, i doubt they would want to clash EE with ED, I can see the Doctor being on earlier this year.

If I were the Beeb I would have EE after Mrs Brown, with EE not being as strong it would help the soap to get more viewers.



5pm DW
6pm SOAH
630pm SCD
745pm CTMW
9pm MBB
930pm EE
1030 Catherine Tates Nan

I know McIntyre is supposed to be on christmas day, but I would move him to Christmas Eve.
yorkie100
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“ITV quarterly results were out yesterday and the pattern we have seen for a long time continues:

10 months to 31 October 2015:

ITV(1) SOCI - down 4%
ITV Family SOCI - down 3%

and yet:

9 months to 30 September 2015:

ITV Family advertising revenue - up 6%

And, significantly, advertising revenue is up more than the market - ie ITV's share of the advertising market is up, despite SOCI falling.

So, despite all we hear about ratings day in day out, ITV continues to perform very, very strongly - and whilst that is the case they have no incentive whatsoever to spend any more money on programming.

Now some might wonder "Ah, but aren't they storing up problems for the future?" Well maybe, maybe not - but the same thing could have been said at any time over the last few years - and yet the same ratings trends continue without any impact on the financial results.

The answer appears to be that ITV is still quite simply the only place to advertise if you want to get to the mass market. Whether X Factor gets 8m or 7m or 6m really just doesn't matter if all other commercial channels can only get audiences which are a fraction of ITV's.
”

A few things occur to me after reading this. Firstly ITV are as stated clearly not competeing with BBC but with the other commercial broadcasters. This makes their position somewhat hypocritical when they complain about the size and impact the BBC have on them when they are in effect doing exactly the same to the smaller commercial broadcasters.
Also if they are doing very well at present why are they so intent on damaging the BBC? The only conclusion I can come to is they want no effective competition at all. Now while some might say thats a reasonable position to take - is it really? If the BBC produce fewer quality programmes its quite clear that makes it easier for ITV but surely that is completely short term thinking which is only going to exacerbate the dwindling audience. There surely must be a situation when the general audience becomes so low that ITV cant make enough money to continue and would have to go behind a paywall?
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Taking SOAH out of the mix on Christmas Day makes the timings a little better.

It could double up with Catherine Tate on Christmas Eve, leaving Mrs Brown and Michael McIntyre for Christmas Night
Markynotts
11-11-2015
Lewis 4.0 (19%)
vauxhall1964
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by Minute Mart 1:
“
I am surprised Murdoch has not got some sort of Consortium together to rival itv with a main entertainment channel. Perhaps if this happened some of the most popular BBC shows like Strictly, EastEnders, Doctor Who, Sherlock could be shown on this channel and target itv at every opportunity taking the broadcaster head on. This would hopefully then make itv up their game?
.”

Why Murdoch? Since when has he been associated with quality TV in this country? Sky is even lousier than ITV when it comes to original content.
Servalan
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“Why Murdoch? Since when has he been associated with quality TV in this country? Sky is even lousier than ITV when it comes to original content.”

Totally. And given the resources it has, it's shocking that it's failed to commission a returning drama series that would give it the kudos and ratings it badly needs.
AcerBen
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“ITV quarterly results were out yesterday and the pattern we have seen for a long time continues:

10 months to 31 October 2015:

ITV(1) SOCI - down 4%
ITV Family SOCI - down 3%

and yet:

9 months to 30 September 2015:

ITV Family advertising revenue - up 6%

And, significantly, advertising revenue is up more than the market - ie ITV's share of the advertising market is up, despite SOCI falling.

So, despite all we hear about ratings day in day out, ITV continues to perform very, very strongly - and whilst that is the case they have no incentive whatsoever to spend any more money on programming.

Now some might wonder "Ah, but aren't they storing up problems for the future?" Well maybe, maybe not - but the same thing could have been said at any time over the last few years - and yet the same ratings trends continue without any impact on the financial results.

The answer appears to be that ITV is still quite simply the only place to advertise if you want to get to the mass market. Whether X Factor gets 8m or 7m or 6m really just doesn't matter if all other commercial channels can only get audiences which are a fraction of ITV's.

So it appears that the strategy will remain exactly as it has been for some time - focus on the 4 key areas, ie:

Soaps
Big hitters - XF, BGT, IAC (+ TV to be added)
Sport - WC, EC, RWC, England internationals (+ 6N now added to partially offset loss of CL, FAC)
High profile drama

Ensure that those 4 areas continue to be head and shoulders above anything on any other commercial channel - which they are - and then the entire rest of the schedule is just filler to be done at minimum cost to keep the overall total programme budget flat.

And if the programme budget is held flat (or at least very close to flat) whilst advertising revenue rises then profits must rise - which is what has been happening now for many years (since they hit rock bottom in 2008).

NB. Advertising revenue growth will be weaker in Q4 of 2015 - forecast at 3% - but that is still growth.

http://www.itvplc.com/media/news/itv...ng-update-2015”

The most sensible post on this thread in a long time.
gavin shipman
11-11-2015
Better for EE. What does it have to do to get over 7m?
Aurora13
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by gavin shipman:
“Better for EE. What does it have to do to get over 7m?”

Improve quality. ☺
Greg_Scott
11-11-2015
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“ITV quarterly results were out yesterday and the pattern we have seen for a long time continues:

10 months to 31 October 2015:

ITV(1) SOCI - down 4%
ITV Family SOCI - down 3%

and yet:

9 months to 30 September 2015:

ITV Family advertising revenue - up 6%

And, significantly, advertising revenue is up more than the market - ie ITV's share of the advertising market is up, despite SOCI falling.

So, despite all we hear about ratings day in day out, ITV continues to perform very, very strongly - and whilst that is the case they have no incentive whatsoever to spend any more money on programming.

Now some might wonder "Ah, but aren't they storing up problems for the future?" Well maybe, maybe not - but the same thing could have been said at any time over the last few years - and yet the same ratings trends continue without any impact on the financial results.

The answer appears to be that ITV is still quite simply the only place to advertise if you want to get to the mass market. Whether X Factor gets 8m or 7m or 6m really just doesn't matter if all other commercial channels can only get audiences which are a fraction of ITV's.

So it appears that the strategy will remain exactly as it has been for some time - focus on the 4 key areas, ie:

Soaps
Big hitters - XF, BGT, IAC (+ TV to be added)
Sport - WC, EC, RWC, England internationals (+ 6N now added to partially offset loss of CL, FAC)
High profile drama

Ensure that those 4 areas continue to be head and shoulders above anything on any other commercial channel - which they are - and then the entire rest of the schedule is just filler to be done at minimum cost to keep the overall total programme budget flat.

And if the programme budget is held flat (or at least very close to flat) whilst advertising revenue rises then profits must rise - which is what has been happening now for many years (since they hit rock bottom in 2008).

NB. Advertising revenue growth will be weaker in Q4 of 2015 - forecast at 3% - but that is still growth.

http://www.itvplc.com/media/news/itv...ng-update-2015”

Having read this thread a bit it's clear that there is very little understanding of how itv makes its money. Revenue is Price x Quantity. There is endless posts about the Quantity of audiences and zero about the price of audiences which obviously vary hugely depending on hour of day, month of year, composition etc so thanks for at least trying to widen the debate but I fear it will fall on deaf ears.

The other point in yesterday's earnings was the growth of online revenue which is more than offsetting to advertising declines because it's much more targeted and the wastage element of tv advertising is not there.
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