Goodness me your obsessed. If ITV news started doing well, you'd have nothing to talk about. Oh except GMB and the latest ITV signing from BBC.

Got it !!

Alex Kingston as River Song is the companion at Xmas, Coleman is gone by then.

The new Doctor Who Magazine has a page explaining why overnights don't matter. And then an appeal from Moffat for everyone to watch the November 21st episode live. (Apparently for spoiler related reasons).

Yes - all reasonable points.

All l would add is that although ITV is only competing with commercial broadcasters for advertising revenue, it is still in ITV's interests for the BBC to be weaker.

The reason is that the total size of the TV advertising market isn't fixed. There are other places to advertise - eg internet, newspapers, magazines, cinema, radio, posters etc.

So if the total size of the commercial TV audience falls, commercial TV as a whole is a less attractive place to advertise and some advertising money may then move away from TV to other mediums.

Obviously a more successful BBC is likely to mean the total commercial TV audience will be lower (not automatically as the total TV audience could also rise - but in practice the size of the BBC audience will have a significant impact on the size of the commercial TV audience).

Re general audience levels - yes, if commercial TV audience levels drop (irrespective of whether it's because of BBC doing better or just that all audiences are dropping across the board) then advertising money could move to other mediums. However I don't think there's much evidence yet of this happening to a substantial degree.

Re ITV going behind a paywall - I don't think that's likely as there will always be a large numbers of people who don't want to subscribe to pay TV - there are large commercial FTA broadcasters in every country. Plus the "PSB label" (which they have to be FTA to keep) is very important re keeping the prominent EPG position which is vital to the business.

A "realistic fantasy" of what I'd like to see this Christmas for BBC/ITV:

Another example of cloth-ears Moffat. People are sick of Alex Kingston's hideous character, River Song with her stupid catchphrase and yet it seems we'll never be rid of her as long as he's in charge. Not sure I can stand an hour of her at Xmas and I'd imagine many others feel the same.


Yeah, right Moff - Sure it is. Is he even aware of the contradiction do you think?

It's funny how Moffat wasn't disparaging the overnights when the show was doing well but now it's on the slide all of a sudden they don't matter and should be ignored....

This thread is called the "Ratings Thread" so if people are interested in ratings and want to follow them and post about them then that is obviously fine.

This forum isn't on the Financial Times website or the Investors Chronicle website so there is no reason why anyone on here should necessarily have any interest whatsoever in how successful ITV is as a business.

However all I would say is that Crozier and Fincham are running ITV as a business and that is what drives their decision making - whereas some people seem to be under the misconception that "high ratings = success" and that ITV's aim (and indeed that of other commercial broadcasters) is to get the highest possible ratings.

It isn't. ITV's aim is to get the highest possible profits. Profit (obviously) equals Revenue minus Costs and ITV's aim is to quite simply maximise that number (over time).


Just to say that yesterday's results show advertising revenue still growing at a reasonable pace - it isn't declining. But you are right that online revenue is growing more strongly - although it only represents a very small proportion of total revenues.

The bbc one schedule looks good I would just remove open all hours and the nan save them for Xmas eve or boxing day, so bring forward mbb and Michael mcintyre.

Last year we had everything cramned in on xmas day then virtually nothing on xmas eve or boxing day. The bbc tend to have a good line up on xmas eve and box day but had no shows left for those days last year.

The Doctor Who Xmas show is getting a cinema release on 28th & 29th December in the USA.

Raises the question as to if cinema screenings here would be worth moving it to Boxing Day for BBC Worldwide.

I remember wildlife docs in the 19:30 slot back in the day, but they were not particularly ambitious fare IIRC.




For next Wednesday Digiguide has:

20:00 - All Star Mr & Mrs
21:00 - I'm a Celebrity
22:30 - ITV News

The following Wednesday, IAC is an hour from 21:00 followed by CL highlights at 22:00 then news at 23:00. No sign of Framed! anywhere in the ITV schedule.

Kieron Dyer will pull his hammy walking into the jungle. I've only heard of three people going in the jungle this year but I agree it's not about the calibre of celebrity, it's about the characters. I tend to watch the first few then lose interest and watch it sporadically after that.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ratings...illion-on-itv/

I tend to lose interest after 3/4 days particularly if the same person is getting voted to do trials. If decent enough bunch engage again when voting starts. You've got a far more balanced show by that point usually. On delay of course.

I believe the new DWM also mentions that ratings for Doctor Who are down in several measures. Overnight ratings consolidated ratings and Iplayer.

I like yoir ITV schedule, but I think whether your putting out a new show or rpt of Sounds of Music, viewrs will just stay on BBC1. Would for ITV it not be better to put something like The Nations Favourite Christmas Song in the film slot? If I was controller I might try and get hold of Walt Disney's The Santa Claus film.




I'd also cut down the soaps since Corrie is doing so badly.

Just watching it takes two, they had a segment on international versions of the show, I think bbc1 should commission a planets got talent style show for strictly, to be aired Saturday tea time.

Thanks. So almost 4 million is now reported as 'over 3 million'?

Has the stats but says it's not gloomy news, and that all long running dramas- Downton, Doc Martin and New Tricks being the named ones- are down from their rating peaks of 4 or 5 years ago. "The older a show gets, the more difficult it can be to attract new viewers".

So anyway, **** the overnights.

Yeah - that's really shoddy. 3.77m should not be recorded as "over 3 million" in a DS ratings article. In the title and body as well, has the writer got something in for Lewis?

If people didn't notice, Catastrophe made a third increase in the ratings. It's becoming a decent 10pm rater. Not great but it's heading closer to the million mark considering it started with around 800k.

I have to echo the IAC opinions. I'm quite good at knowing lineups in these shows. I know most but they don't excite me. And people may think I'm being biased toward BB but CBB has generally better people. But it will always win in the ratings (obviously) and win awards. Last series won an award even though CBB was much better that year

It's very much something I dip in and out of. Not much happens of note between the participants really. It's heavily reliant on the bush tucker trials and the other mini task they have to do.

Unlike Jimmy Bullard, Kieron Dyer never really screamed big personality at me. Far better footballer than him though when he was fit.

Catastrophe is also doing well in consolidated ratings. Finally gaining some traction, I hope Toast Of London can take off too.

Overnight series averages for ITV entertainment shows so far this year (inc HD & +1):
Every single returning show down this year apart from BGT.

Entertaining episode of The Apprentice tonight with the mass firing.

ITV had better get busy on that four-pronged strategy then, because its main soap is in serious decline, its Sport (which once included exclusive CL & F1) is a shadow of its former self, its biggest 16-34 'big hitter' is a creative busted flush, and its top high-profile drama has just ended.

Another advertising downturn will come sooner or later. As somebody said when the last recession hit: "It's only when the tide goes out that you can see who's been swimming naked."

The field is wide open for a mass market commercial competitor to the terminally complacent ITV.. God knows why Viacom, with their very deep pockets, haven't spotted it.