Pretty poor, considering there were two huge derbies and also a third match involving one of the big two.
Hopefully they take more notice of this than the overall rating. Lord knows ITV need to deem J&H a success, for their own good.

Only in that on here I've normally see average audiences quoted in consolidated figures. Quoting a peak after consolidation seems a bit of an abstraction. Still if Syco can get over the 10m threshold I guess that's all that matters.

Exactly !!! But people will still continue with it no matter what ?

1.4m for a repeat of MOTD at half 7 in the morning is a great figure, didn't realise it rated that highly. Pretty poor rating for "From Darkness", got what it deserved.

Living with my mum at the moment for the first time in four years, she watched X factor. Her and her boyfriend were watching it when I came home from the pub last night so I decided to see for myself what it was like, baring in mind I haven't watched a whole episode in five years.

Personally thought it was absolute dross and dragged out far too much. Recaps of the night before are needed but do they really need that long of a recap? The live aspect of the show was just a complete waste of time, the live audience didn't really get to see much. Also does every contestant have to have a sob story?

Poor for X Factor for sure. But the worrying thing is not the overall rating imo, but two other things:

1. The fact that this weekend was awful IMO. And I didn't catch all of it. I watched clips on YouTube for last night, and for Saturday, I wasn't in and caught up yesterday morning in around 40 mins out of the 2h 20 mins it was actually on for. I showed my negativity about SCC, but the JH Live was even worse. I honestly don't think we will see more than a million viewers coming back for the live shows. I think the Live Shows will rate between 7.0-7.5m, no more. And the final of around 8m. If social media reflected rating drop offs (which it isn't), then X Factor would be under 4m next week. Over half of the tweets I read last night were "I am never watching this show ever again". But people doing that never reflects ratings decreases. I can't count the amount of times people said that during X Factor 2009 with Jedward. The show was getting 13m+ overnights as they were still in there! That's over double last nights show! Results 5 and 6 got 15.00m and 15.02m officially

2. The rating it got during the clash with Strictly was shocking. Forget the actual overall ratings, but this is what they got during the 7:30pm-8pm clash:
Strictly- 8.79m Vs X Factor- 4.91m. That is a sore sight for ITV surely.

Yes concentrate on the lower overnights and often ignore the respectable consolidated figures to cause controversy that's how it's done.

Then when you point this out you get accused of all sorts

Is anyone saying it should be axed?

As for the consolidated figs, do you know anyone who watches on timeshift and sits through the ads?

Walk into the office of a big ITV advertiser and you'll see who really concentrates on the lower overnights.

I expect this will be the last time there's a C5 simulcast with those figures.

It wasn't a bad show per se, but not must-see by any stretch. And the awards themselves are just pointless, because it's obvious who the winners will be based on who's there.

They are probably guilty of being too tame as well. Back in the day there used to be plenty of controversial moments which in this day and age would work really well in terms of drumming up social media interest.

Overnights still contribute to the majority of the consolidated rating for many shows.
They don't get ignored around here. If they are higher or lower compared to previous years it will be pointed out.

X Factor gets respectable consolidated ratings which are also down on last year, same as Doctor Who.

These are true facts.

I think only the final will beat it now, can't see the lives increasing it much, if anything, it seems like it might be on a downward live trajectory (I wonder why this seems to uniquelu affect singing shows)

Excellent for Strictly once again and a poor launch for Jekyll and Hyde but not completely disastrous, if it's holda or even grows as it moves later it may get another shot, it feels a little bit like the reverse of what happened with the musketeers, where they seemed to want to go a bit lighter and robin hood esque, but then made changes for the later slot, here it seems Higson wanted to go much darker and violent but ITV wouldn't let them

Looks like the problem X Factor had was that it was Judges' Houses. Sunday shows prior to this went up for several consecutive weeks. And the Sunday rating suggests to me that Saturday was low because it was Judges' Houses not that it went AWOL from Saturdays for a month.

Jekyll and Hyde kept its audience across the hour. That's one positive. The rating looks to me that some people weren't interested in it at all. The week two rating will tell us more.

Ok not ignored by everyone but largely they are ignored.

There seems to be little acknowledgement of even when a show is down yoy it still produces good figures by today's standards.

Quite a few people have said that XF is still doing well by general TV standards. It's just performing poorly in relation to how it has in the past and not all of it has been a natural inevitable decline. Unsuccessful tinkering hasn't helped.

So Jekyll and Hyde appealed to older viewers more than younger ones?

Anything for the F1 Grand Prix on BBC1 last night?

One of the reasons why people go on about X Factor is because Simon says things like Strictly with Peter Andre won't be a bigger draw than X Factor. Say stuff like that and people will love to point it out. There is also several years of resentment about how arrogant some people on the show were about their ratings compared to Strictly, because of that the knives are out. However as X Factor can still get decent ratings in consolidated people wanting the axe to fall don't get the satisfaction.

It's all very complicated!

We will have to agree to disagree I usually find most posts just simply say it's performing poorly terrible etc

I agree

Strictly by contrast seems to go from strength to strength. The format still feels as fresh as ever, and there hasn't been any serious tinkering in the last six years other than Darcey replacing Alesha and Claudia moved in as host. Even then Strictly viewers were familiar with both, Claudia hosted the sister show and Darcey had deputised as a judge.

Last weekend's X Factor was a mess. Dragged-out nonsense.

People call X Factor dragged out but forget that it was the same length as Strictly's early shows when ads are taken out.

But im sure if Strictly were getting poor ratings, people would be saying, its too stale, been the same for too long etc. There's always different arguments as to why a show is either failing or succeeding, and they're always seemed picked randomly to fit one's agenda.

I'm not saying your post represents this, i'm just saying theres always a million excuses in this thread and they alway's change depending on how things rate and which broadcaster/ people are involved.

People complain every year about IAC being old and stale, yet it still rates cosiderably well, and like Strictly, it's been the same format since it launched, and they're both the same age.

Bushmills can you see what the Live/VOSDAL numbers were for Doctor Who on October 17th?

The big multichannel hitters on Sunday were Premier League football (Sunderland v Newcastle: 0.93m/11.3%, United v City: 1.95m/18.0%, Liverpool v Southampton: 1.26m/7.0%) and ITV2's rerun of Back to the Future Day (BTTF1: 0.50m/4.4%, BTTF2: 0.77m/4.3%, BTTF3: 0.99m/4.0%).

Oh, and the F1. (0.98m/4.3%)

www.itvmedia.co.uk

Possibly due to the source material mixed in with nostalgia?