These are XF figures so far this year compiled from a few sources, so if there are any mistakes let me know.
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XF 2015(2014)

Overnights/Consolidated

A1- 7.65m (9.50m)/9.62m (10.65m)
A2- 6.47m (8.20m)/8.09m (9.53m)
A3- 7.52m (8.91m)/8.96m (10.13m)
A4- 7.07m (7.79m)/8.22m (9.23m)
A5- 7.91m (8.87m)/9.20m (10.21m)
A6- 7.33m (8.48m)/8.54m (9.79m)
A7- 7.32m (8.57m)/8.91m (9.95m)
A8- -------- (8.69m)/--------- (9.75m)

Average Auditions 7.32m (8.62)/8.93m (9.90m)

B1- 7.26m (5.84m)/8.70m (7.46m)
B2- 7.18m (7.85m)/8.40m (9.02m)
B3- 7.50m (8.80m)/8.75m (10.10m)
B4- 7.58m (-------)/9.01m
B5- 7.81m (-------)/9.01m

Average Bootcamp/Challenge 7.47m (7.50m)/8.78m (8.86m)

J1- 6.68m (6.43m)/
J2- 6.47m (7.32m)/

Of course, but the crux of my argument is that Strictly benefits from consistency/familiarity. X Factor doesn't. On the basis of last weekend too, Strictly makes better use of its time.

IAC falls into a different category; it's consistency comes from Ant and Dec. the glue that holds the show together. The trials can be stale, but it's only on for three weeks.

ITV have turned themselves into a channel that just does not work for many people, especially with regards men. But also anyone who considers themselves not an idiot.

They've reaped what they have sown with acres of soaps and Pogs Dogs

Funny feeling Jekyll and Hyde may get a nice ITV+1 figure next week at 20:00 just after SCD results, Where it should be airing in the first place.

I think Ant and Dec are an important part of the package, but I think it's the format that hold's the show up.

Plus, X Factor started to make big ground when it made massive changes in 2009, so it goes to prove that change can win viewers, too.

There's less padding in Strictly.

But will it all mean the same overall rating as week 1?

The X Factor rates well amongst the younger age bracket and it's one of the most tweeted shows. The problem for Simon is, can he do more to attract lost viewers, older age brackets and make it family-fun viewing? TXF won't reach the heady heights of before, for various reasons -- from poor ITV scheduled lead-ins, to erratic judging line-ups.

When they made massive changes in 2008 and 2009, the show had produced creditable talent like Leona Lewis. But they started to attract international names like Britney Spears. They had to wait years to get Beyonce, who incidentally didn't need much persuading to appear on Strictly. Christina Aguliera was a coup. The celebrity guests were event TV.

A lot has changed since then. Social networking has risen, the world's become less insular. Simon will no doubt try his hardest to get Adele on the lives, but does she need the platform? A 30-second ad and guest appearance on Chatty Man would probably suit her fine.

Not as much of young blanket as there used to be through, Even they are losing interest now.

One of the biggest downfalls of X factor in my opinion, and you touched on, was when they went from big stars in their results show, to relying on past contestants to prop them up in later years. It really cheapened the show in my opinion.

Another nail was in 2011, and not with the judges, but with the 'yoofing' up of the show, which probably turned off a lot of older viewers. It became 'too street' and downmarket.

I used to really love it when the live shows come round, and I'll still watch them this year, but I hate the falseness of the earlier rounds, and smugness of Cheryl.

The only time I'm A Celebrity had a wobble was when they did two series in a year. Stupid thing to do. It works because it doesn't outstay its welcome. On for a few weeks each year, challenges, Ant & Dec banter then it's finished for another year. I will never stop thinking people eating bugs is tacky but the other bits work well.

The change they made was to stop doing two series a year.

X Factor made changes in 2008/2009 that worked, especially the results show on Sunday. But after a great year in 2010 they broke up a winning team and it has dipped ever since. They could have corrected some mistakes in 2011 but they didn't.

Strictly was going well then made a stupid change in 2009 with combined performance & results. Plus the line-up wasn't the greatest. They made changes in 2010 to correct mistakes and it worked.

Looking at that. IAC and Strictly learnt from mistakes and corrected them immediately. X Factor left it to late to correct mistakes and the decline started.

I think thats one thing we all can agree on, is that XF left it too late to make changes.

I actually liked the 2011 panel lineup, though.

If it aired at 20:00 I'd push TXF results head to head with SCD which they wouldn't want to do. If it didn't air this season at all but aired after Christmas, it'd be head to head with Call the Midwife.

If it aired early evening Saturday it'd either be head to head with SCD or The Voice or Doctor Who depending on the exact time or time of year.

If it aired Tuesday or Wednesday at 8pm, it'd be in a dead flop zone slot, having to self start, untried slot, poor lead in, against football on other channels, up against other drama competition etc etc.

Every slot can and would be argued against.

That is such a dissapointing figure for J&H. Despite mny suggesing ITV drama is too safe and there are too many crime dramas, something of substance comes along and hardly anone watches. Going by this thread it should have been obvious, viewrs will complain, but when somthing comes along don't watch it. Perhaps 6.30pm was too early going by what I watched and should have been sandwiched between TXF and DA. I mean it didn't even grow throughout the broadcast. Hopefully f it doesn't grow it stays stable and consolidates well.

ITV have weakened themselves this year and viewers have therefore defaulted to a stronger BBC1 who have take advantage.

TXF this weekend has been so awful, so truly awful after last weeks success they have once again killed it. Those figures are not deserving of how bad this weekend was. It should be J&H getting that 6m+ figure. I mean I'm a fan of TXF, but I watched Saturday, and it was so poor, I didn't bother with Sunday. This will have no completely sucked all life out of the rest of the series. Some big mistakes in choices were made on those going through to LIVE shows which I imagine was down to more staged/contrived nonsence to generate publicity. Again this nonsese is going to kill the show. I think the LIVE shows are going to drop to low 6m from now on.

I would like ITV to see how next weeks J&H does and then if its stable swap it with TXF to give it a stronger lead in.

What other rating disaters are ITV going to feature? This year is surely concerning for them. Corrie can't even reach 7m now in late October.

If J&H was later, say at 8pm, would more of you watched it? As it is I'm not sure many on here did as they might do with a BBC drama?

Pretty much sums up most of the thread really.

Every 'obvious' reason for a show not doing well can be compared with a similar show that also has the same 'fault' but has never rated better. That's why all these armchair know it alls don't actually know it all, there is no consistent formula.

Rzt's post yesterday was excellent at highlighting this.

X Factor brings in more ad money than most other shows at the weekend for ITV. The overnight rating would go lower during the clash and there would be a few angry advertisers asking for discounts.

If Jekyll and Hyde skews old then it would have a chance against The Voice. It has no chance with Strictly and Countryfile.

2.15m average from 22:30 to 00:00 per D.M.N of this thread on his F1 Broadcasting Website.

At what point are they allowed to deem it a miserable failure? When it goes below 3m? 2m??? I won't be as pessimistic to say it'll go below 1m but considering the amount of promotion that's an absolutely awful start for it.

I would say The X Factor got what it deserved but it didn't - it deserved lower. Downton is having a decent series though took a hit last night; not quite sure why. Due to the lower lead in? BBC One had a brilliant night up to 9pm. Homeland is slipping away for Channel 4 whilst the MTV Awards are not helping Channel 5 out at all. Britain's Ultimate Pilots didn't do too badly for BBC Two.

Nobody is really talking about Homeland's ratings, are they?

It's kind of odd. I know this thread has always been heavily focussed on BBC1 and ITV and to an extent understandably, but over the years there was plenty of discussion of other channels successes and failures too.

Homeland is quite a big story - one of C4's biggest imports in recent years not even managing 1m with +1 last night - and yet not one comment on it up until Fudd's post.

Anyway, it's sad to see it so low. I think there's a real chance C4 will move it later now. It's timeshifting well still, but it would timeshift well if they played it at 10pm or 11pm too. They can't be at all happy with overnights in the 0.7-0.9m range in the Sunday 9pm slot.

I pretty much agree with you. The concerning thing is how few people actually gave it a chance in the first place and this does prove to me that there just is not a big enough audience for fantasy in general in this country.
Now I dont watch any tv at that time on a Sunday no matter what channel we are talking about but if it had been later I would have watched live, although I am not necessarily typical.
Actually one thing I might disagree with you on is when you call J&H something of substance. While its an enjoyable enough romp and something different for ITV I think its main problem is that its not something of substance because its clearly been toned down for a family slot. If they had made it like Higson wanted to be a post watershed show then it may have been more substantial. However it probably would not have rated any better when you think about Jonathon Strange/Ripper Street etc

I liked Homeland when it started but became bored a while ago so dont even think about it now and it seems I may not be the only one. It is a bad rating for C4 though that cant be denied.

I stopped watching Homeland this series, Just seems to have lost its way and I think something needs to replace it.

First couple of series of Homeland was some of the best TV I have seen. I think they should have stopped it there, gave up on it bad way through the third series. Most of the people I knew who watched it have also stopped watching so no suprises at the poor rating.

Incidentally what was it rating at its peak?

EDIT - Just seen it rated at 2.8m and consistently above 2m for the first couple of seasons. Big drop off there.

It's not just Homeland to be fair, a lot of US imports on the major channels seem to be down year-on-year, often heavily. I do wonder if the likes of Netflix are making it less attractive to sit down and watch a US import on a once weekly basis. Maybe there's an element of it just not being the same when you can't watch as many as you want, when you want. Could a lot of Homeland's regular viewers be stockpiling episodes ready to binge a load one weekend? Or are they content to wait for the whole season to hit Netflix, perhaps?

If the above theory is the reason behind the falling audiences for US imports on the major channels, then what can the broadcasters do about it? Maybe some sort of halfway house option: release a few episodes in advance of the episode currently going out via on demand? It might not help overnights in an obvious way - but it could persuade more viewers to stick with these shows close to broadcast pace. And rather they watch via the on demand portals (including paid advertising) than 6 months down the line on Netflix.

Sadly, I expect what all this means is US imports are going to become a lot rarer on the main channels going forwards. Pushed into increasingly low key slots, and the chief buyers will be the digital channels probably. The big network shows these days can do more of a job for the Universal's and Alibi's of this world than they can probably do for C4 or C5- maybe because pay TV customers are likely to go out of their way to consume as much of it as possible to justify the subscription costs.

Once again a completely hysterical and OTT reaction to the latest X Factor episodes on this thread. I loved the live judges houses, it worked well, the audience helped play a part in the judges' decisions and I liked cutting between the studio and the exotic locations. I also loved how the acts had their reactions to their performances in the corner of the screen.

The low ratings on day one were caused by the show's length and running till half ten, and the day two was hurt by day 1 and the slightly pointless first part. Ratings should stabilise into low 7s as overnights and high 8s/low 9s consolidated once halloween is out of the way.