ITV 2?

Its a niche genre as far as mainstream terrestrial audiences are concerned, you might as well film a load of people torching bags of money.

Glad someone pointed out all the strong programming on Channel 5 this January as opposed to just the weaker stuff. Plenty of interest there, probably their best January except for not having any UK drama, surprised they didn't save Suspects to go out then too instead of letting it flop in December.

Yes you can. Beowulf might not have been the best fantasy drama series, but scheduling it after BGT would have been a better option that in an exposed 7pm slot on Sunday, when whatever ITV put there will not do as well as the older audience stick to BBC1.

SCD and Atlantis showd that despite a poor drama, it still was pulling in 4m+ in overnights and consolidating to 5m+. Even if they just gave it 1 series, they would be more viewrs to start with the sell ad spaces that sub 2m on Sunday at 7pm.

As it is, BGT will probably continue to lead into Play To The Whistle which will be below 3m throughout its run, and Beowulf at 7pm flops, thus damaging ITV's 8pm dramas in the process and gives BBC1 the upper hand.

Beowulf is definitely on the wrong night. Primeval and Demons found audiences on Saturday nights. But ITV want their young skewing light entertainment there. They saw how Jekyll and Hyde did on Sundays, putting a less well known brand in the same slot where a previous fantasy drama died is madness.

That rating for BBC news at 6pm tells us that the viewers who watch BBC1 on Sunday do so becase that is the channel they see appealing to them the most on this day. If anything is of interest on another channel, they'll record it and watch BBC1 live.

ITV news last night started at 5.35pm - 25minutes before BBC news and yet BBC News rose over 6m and 7m. I don't think there is anything the commercial channels can do to lure away the audience from BBC1 on Sunday unless screening BGT at 6.30pm.

Neither of them seemily have much appeal to BBCs core demographic. They are all new, SOAH still has the brand name attatched to it.

That is not to say SOAH is not any good, but its a cosier sitcom than they all three.

This is nonsense.

If ITV put appealing shows on they'd do well. Dancing On Ice and Wild At Heart dominated Sundays for years. Are people forgetting that Downton Abbey, I'm A Celebrity and X Factor did well on Sundays in the Autumn?

Have we forgotten how Partners In Crime and Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell tanked on BBC1 on Sunday nights.

Complete nonsense. It's getting tired as a theory now.

That's because ITV have weakened their brand and schedule over 2 years of poor programming. Those viewrs who watched ITV have moved on.

I'm just suggesting that the audience are gravitating to BBC1 because ITV is weaker.

BBC1 still gets 5m+ for AR against TXF. 4m+ against DA. ITV can baraly manage 4m+ against Midwife anymore.

Demonstrates the pulling power of BBC News and particularly the regional news.

LF: 20%
Subs: 46%
Ads: 29%

source: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...cmr14/UK_2.pdf
section 2.1.1.

not sure where the other 5% comes from...EDIT: might be "online revenue"

but BBC doing quite well to generate 30% viewing from 20% income...

K

That's because BBC Regional is far superior to most of their ITV counterparts. BBC News is also a better product then ITV News.

It's simple more and more folks watch what they want to watch not what is the best on terrestrial tv. The latter dominated for years and does with an older demographic who haven't engaged with the new media world fully. BBC has more of that demographic as a core audience.

But the total viewing audience on any night appears to be around 20 million, for example it was predicted radio would die with the advent of television but it's still going and probably has a bigger audience in the mornings than television.

In fact why are there no radio ratings in the ratings thread.....it's an outrage.

Anyone got the figures for the Archers dramatic 60th anniversary episode?

ITV used to be THE regional broadcaster but their regional idenity is now gone. Also I just prefer BBC News to ITV News. That wasn't always the case as I used to always watch ITV's news output regularly.

You're forgetting that BBC One is propped up by older viewers. ITV's older viewers may have gone to BBC One, but the younger ones have gone to multichannels, pay and streaming.

6.8 million watch Countryfile, around half are over 65. So only 3.4m under 65's are watching.

There are 41m 14-65 year olds in the UK, yet the biggest programme of the night only gets a tiny fraction of them.

You need to put it in perspective.

Sponsorship, product placement, competitions?

The idea that a public service can be "privileged" is clear nonsense. Is a council "privileged"?, are the police "privileged"?

It's something cooked up by the private sector and their spokespeople to belittle the concept of public services in order to get rid of them.

I was looking forward to Beowulf until I saw the trailer with the ropey CGI. I decided to give it a go anyway and it was better than I was expecting by then. The characters were a bit bland apart from Joanne Whalley's Rheda. Looks like ITV wasted their money on William Hurt for the first episode given the ratings Either Ed Speleers or Kieren Bew is miscast as Ed looks far younger than Kieren but their characters were similar aged children. The opening titles and music shout Game of Thrones which at 7pm on ITV Sunday night this was never going to be. It'll always come off worse in comparison with GoT so why the were so blatant in evoking it I don't know. As a family friendly fantasy, action, adventure series this had great potential but whether ITV can deliver that I don't know, and given the very poor rating start it's looking very doubtful, just too many mistakes made. At least I got around to watching the first episode, I deleted half of the Jekyll and Hide series from my PVR and cancelled the series link without getting around to watching any of it.

Of course it's privileged. It doesn't need to stand on its own two feet. All public sector is to an extent which is why they are always behind the curve on change. Going into a public service organisation is a shock to the system if you've worked in private sector. Organisationally you go back a decade plus.

No, the Police are not privileged, because they are a necessity, but they also don't have competition.

The BBC, whichever way you want to look at it are guranteed an income of public money.

You wouldn't expect British Gas to be publicly funded, yet have other energy firms having to make their own money. It's uncompetitive and unfair. This is why the BBC IS privileged.

You lot just argue the toss to jusitfy having the BBC.

I thought this country was supposed to be a supporter of the underdog, yet it's blatantly obvious that the privileged BBC gets priority here.

Folks watching what they want to watch not what terrestrial tv churns out. Except the older demographic who are stuck in old behaviour. Contrast that with young who don't even watch terrestrial tv. It's this demographic that will kill off licence fee quicker than many think.

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enjoy!

They viewers aren't necessarily going to BBC1. Antiques Roadshow for example has been getting 5m more often than not for several years against X Factor. Sometimes ITV has dipped while BBC1 has just been static.

Thanks Mike!

Happy New Year!

Any ratings for PDC darts Final on SS1 and SSD?