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Old 17-01-2016, 10:50
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Last week got 7.3m - this week 6.4m. That's not really holding onto all of its audience.
Sorry my mistake then I thought it got a similar audience last week

obviously loosing 2 million is worrying i guess people are just getting bored of these shows, but hopefully it will settle in the 6s as thats still a decent number in todays standards.
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Old 17-01-2016, 10:58
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I know this has been mentioned previously but ITV could do a lot worse than approach Professor Green for The Voice. I think Will Young would be a good choice (I know he has had discussions regarding the show in the past), alongside Lilly Allen. Neither have sold vast amounts recently but they have a personality for this show. Possibly Mark Ronson in the last chair?
I agree I think ITV should change all the coaches.

I would go with

Tom Jones
Anastasia
Adele
Ed Sheeran

But would they want to do it
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Old 17-01-2016, 10:59
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I agree I think ITV should change all the coaches.

I would go with

Tom Jones
Anastasia
Adele
Ed Sheeran
I highly doubt either Adele or Ed Sheeran would do the show. Besides I don't think Ed Sheeran has the personality to work on a TV show, talented as he undoubtedly is.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:02
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A 5 series deal!! Oh ITV
Mr Cowell will be very happy this morning!
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:02
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No, because they still have to fill next years slot with something. And with The Getaway Car looking like it might stink out the slot its in, this will be not its successor.

I imagine the BBC are pi***ed off that throwaway clip show Now You See It last year got 5m+, and a new show destined to be a successor of TVUK is wallowing around 4m and likely to drop.
How can a show that is on its first episode be deemed to be wallowing?
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:03
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I agree I think ITV should change all the coaches.

I would go with

Tom Jones
Anastasia
Adele
Ed Sheeran

But would they want to do it
There is no way in hell Adele would be seen judging on a TV singing show.
Tom Jones is a possibility.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:06
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I agree I think ITV should change all the coaches.

I would go with

Tom Jones
Anastasia
Adele
Ed Sheeran

But would they want to do it
Lol are you still dreaming?

X factor will likely be renewed now, C5 won't be able to pick it up as a cast off.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:06
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A 5 series deal!! Oh ITV
Mr Cowell will be very happy this morning!
Have ITV agreed a new deal for BGT and X Factor
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:08
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I think ITV are going to through the cheque book at The Voice to get some really good coaches. The ones I suggested might not happen but I think there will be a big name or two in the line up.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:11
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May I intrude and enquire what the overnight figure was for The Young Montalbano on BBC 4?
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:15
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Not sure fundamental proof of how inept they are at managing entertainment shows at times is something to be bouncing with joy about. I watched a tiny bit of The Voice last night and it was obvious immediately that the Beeb have monumentally mismanaged that programme. They couldn't have made it less appealing if they tried.

ITV have inherited a mess for sure but they have a clearer understanding of how to make these shows work and will have every chance of fixing it by getting the right talent on board. And crucially it will be less self indulgent than it on the BBC, with the focus on the talent.
How is Rising Star going?

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/news/a5...ts-even-aired/
Congratulations Syco
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:18
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Not sure fundamental proof of how inept they are at managing entertainment shows at times is something to be bouncing with joy about. I watched a tiny bit of The Voice last night and it was obvious immediately that the Beeb have monumentally mismanaged that programme. They couldn't have made it less appealing if they tried.

ITV have inherited a mess for sure but they have a clearer understanding of how to make these shows work and will have every chance of fixing it by getting the right talent on board. And crucially it will be less self indulgent than it on the BBC, with the focus on the talent. They won't have time for all that pointless filler you get on the BBC version.

So all in all, it will have a terrific chance of getting back on track. Meanwhile the BBC will be relying on their commissioners to find a viable replacement, and their overall track record in entertainment is very poor.

Remind me how this is something to be privately jolly well pleased about from BBC1's perspective again ? Because I'm struggling.
Great post. Spot on analysis.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:20
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Full roundup from Hassaan.

Saturday 16th January 2015 - Overnights
BBC One
13:00 - Masters Snooker: 1.27m (11.7%)
16:30 - Final Score: 2.32m (16.4%)
17:10 - Now You See It: 2.32m (15.0%)
17:40 - BBC News: 4.10m (24.2%)
18:00 - Pointless Celebrities: 5.12m (27.1%)
18:50 - Getaway Car: 4.14m (20.3%)
19:45 - The Voice UK: 6.37m (29.5%)

21:05 - Casualty: 4.78m (22.3%)
21:55 - The National Lottery Live: 4.07m (21.3%)
22:25 - Match of the Day: 3.73m (26.5%)

BBC Two
12:45 - James Martin: Home Comforts: 0.98m (10.6%)
18:30 - Dad's Army: 1.73m (8.7%)
19:00 - Masters Snooker: 1.64m (7.7%)

ITV (inc +1)
19:00 - Ninja Warrior UK: 4.28m (20.7%)
20:00 - Take Me Out: 3.68m (16.9%)

21:15 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.74m (13.4%)

Channel 4 (inc +1)
19:30 - World's Weirdest Homes: 1.05m (4.9%)
21:00 - FILM: Fast & Furious 6: 1.29m (7.2%)

Channel 5 (inc +1)
21:00 - The Championship: 0.40m (1.9%)
22:30 - Celebrity Big Brother: 1.24m (8.2%)

Dave (inc +1)
21:00 - Live Boxing: 1.28m (6.6%)

Primetime shares
BBC One: 24.6%
ITV: 14.7% (+1: 1.0%)
BBC Two: 7.1%
Channel 4: 5.8% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 5: 2.8% (+1: 0.2%)

BBC One Breakdown
Code:
18:00 - 4.56m (25.2%)
18:15 - 5.12m (27.4%)
18:30 - 5.63m (28.7%)
18:45 - 4.51m (22.6%)
19:00 - 4.06m (20.3%)
19:15 - 4.02m (19.6%)
19:30 - 4.34m (20.7%)
19:45 - 5.11m (24.0%)
20:00 - 6.10m (28.9%)
20:15 - 6.49m (30.2%)
20:30 - 6.78m (31.2%)
20:45 - 7.11m (32.0%)
21:00 - 5.68m (25.8%)
21:15 - 4.78m (22.3%)
21:30 - 4.69m (22.0%)
21:45 - 4.36m (21.0%)
ITV Breakdown (inc +1)
Code:
19:00 - 3.59m (18.0%)
19:15 - 4.25m (20.6%)
19:30 - 4.78m (22.8%)
19:45 - 4.52m (21.2%)
20:00 - 3.58m (16.9%)
20:15 - 3.76m (17.5%)
20:30 - 3.69m (17.0%)
20:45 - 3.76m (16.9%)
21:00 - 3.48m (15.9%)
Getaway Car Vs Ninja Warrior ( inc+1).

There isn't a lot in it, for the first in a series, GC did OK, the couple of OTT reactions on its demise on one show, is wrong. We need to see it settle in a bit, people talk about it, catch up on IPlayer etc. For a LE show to start at that level is OK, and the few posters putting the boot in on obituaries are over reacting. You can just compare to ITV returning shows at its level pegging. It would have been nice to get a bit more, but it's satisfactory.

TVUK.

OK after two episodes, yes it's in trouble. Terrible start, the same as the terrible start to XF, which was a dismal 5.5 million, - though a few here defended it, and think XF 5.5 million is OK, but 6.3 million is bad for TVUK, so double standards. It's performing bad , like XF, what we can take from it are viewers are fed up with singing talent contests and they no longer engage the public. Bad news for SyCo and ITV. The BBC were very right not to over pay for a show that has peaked and started to decline. I think the loss of Sir Tom Jones and his followers has switched off a chunk of people and was a stupid idea.

ITV Having ten months a year at weekends being dedicated to talent shows is a crass decision.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:29
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Getaway Car Vs Ninja Warrior ( inc+1).

There isn't a lot in it, for the first in a series, GC did OK, the couple of OTT reactions on its demise on one show, is wrong. We need to see it settle in a bit, people talk about it, catch up on IPlayer etc. For a LE show to start at that level is OK, and the few posters putting the boot in on obituaries are over reacting. You can just compare to ITV returning shows at its level pegging. It would have been nice to get a bit more, but it's satisfactory.

TVUK.

OK after two episodes, yes it's in trouble. Terrible start, the same as the terrible start to XF, which was a dismal 5.5 million, - though a few here defended it, and think XF 5.5 million is OK, but 6.3 million is bad for TVUK, so double standards. It's performing bad , like XF, what we can take from it are viewers are fed up with singing talent contests and they no longer engage the public. Bad news for SyCo and ITV. The BBC were very right not to over pay for a show that has peaked and started to decline. I think the loss of Sir Tom Jones and his followers has switched off a chunk of people and was a stupid idea.

ITV Having ten months a year at weekends being dedicated to talent shows is a crass decision.
I think it will work out for ITV in the short term.

The X Factor will be the weakest and ITV knows that but they havent many other options for Autumn against Strictly and keeping X Factor at 5/6 million is better than a 3/4 million show.

The Voice and BGT will be winners and ITV should win Saturday nights from January to June next year as I cant see the BBC finding a big rating show for next year.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:30
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The Voice is a decent format I watch every episode of the US show online but have never enjoyed the UK version, it just doesn't feel like the same show. None of the UK panels have created the same chemistry for a start. In the US they really do compete for the artists and rely on their minds and expertise to push the button they know what they want to hear and when they hear it they press it regardless of whether they are first etc there's a genuine fury when other coaches get in on the act and the pitches are barnstorming. I don't get that from the UK version they very rarely seem to really invest in it.
Steals in both the battles and knockouts are dramatic but in the UK one seem like an afterthought and the UK also misses the superstar coaching in the knockouts which has seen Chris Martin Taylor Swift and Rihanna in recent seasons. There's a decent show for ITV to unearth as I don't think the BBC have ever really got there. Wooing one of the excellent US coaches to get it off the ground would be my priority preferably Pharrell Williams but in any case a coach shake up has to be a priority because the chemistry just isn't there
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:35
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Would it not have been the production companies decision as to how its edited and its contents?
Well, exactly. The show is made by Wall to Wall and Talpa - the latter of which is, of course, owned by ITV...

I'm sure the BBC have plenty of meetings to discuss it and maybe in the early days passed down notes too - but I hardly think Charlotte Moore still sits there in the editing suite going "more backstory please"! The only way BBC One could have hurt The Voice is by mis-scheduling it or dealing down promotion - neither of which they've really done. I'm sure the producers will be looking to refresh the show next year for a new channel (I'm not clear whether it'll go in-house or if Wall to Wall will retain involvement) - but they won't throw out what has worked and it'll likely be most of the same people making the executive calls!

This thread is a little funny like that. We seem to understand the producer-broadcaster split when there's a high-profile producer like Cowell to blame for format mistakes or production problems, but if we don't know their names we'll just go and blame channel controllers in all other circumstances!
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:36
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Viewers have tired of the TVUK/TXF format. The existence of each show has helped hasten the death of the other.

That's why TVUK is slumping. Like TXF slumped.

Neither will be around in 2 years time I suspect....
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:42
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Viewers have tired of the TVUK/TXF format. The existence of each show has helped hasten the death of the other.

That's why TVUK is slumping. Like TXF slumped.

Neither will be around in 2 years time I suspect....
I don't watch either but it's clear that having singing shows on for the better part of the year hastened their decline. Strictly has benefited from the end of DOI.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:44
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Getaway Car Vs Ninja Warrior ( inc+1).

There isn't a lot in it, for the first in a series, GC did OK, the couple of OTT reactions on its demise on one show, is wrong. We need to see it settle in a bit, people talk about it, catch up on IPlayer etc. For a LE show to start at that level is OK, and the few posters putting the boot in on obituaries are over reacting. You can just compare to ITV returning shows at its level pegging. It would have been nice to get a bit more, but it's satisfactory.

TVUK.

OK after two episodes, yes it's in trouble. Terrible start, the same as the terrible start to XF, which was a dismal 5.5 million, - though a few here defended it, and think XF 5.5 million is OK, but 6.3 million is bad for TVUK, so double standards. It's performing bad , like XF, what we can take from it are viewers are fed up with singing talent contests and they no longer engage the public. Bad news for SyCo and ITV. The BBC were very right not to over pay for a show that has peaked and started to decline. I think the loss of Sir Tom Jones and his followers has switched off a chunk of people and was a stupid idea.

ITV Having ten months a year at weekends being dedicated to talent shows is a crass decision.
Your bolding just highlights that less than half of those watching TV on a Saturday evening are bothering with the efforts of the big two channels combined.

With the Voice skewing younger, the BBC are losing their over 55's who make Strictly the monster it is.

We just don't bother anymore, Game of Thrones (episode 4.2, a corker Cylon!!) and Godzilla 3D for us last night.

Her indoors will no doubt spin through The Voice on catch up in 30 minutes one afternoon with a cup of tea!
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:45
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I've never known you to be such a supporter of Syco. Although I agree they'll be very pleased to see these ratings. They'll be hoping that the drops for X Factor and The Voice don't mean anything for BGT though.

With Rising Star they had the good sense to can it. I do think ITV will make a better job of the format (the BBC's version is nowhere near as good as NBC's) but I imagine there will be some concern still.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:46
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The Getaway Car should have done better, it really isn't as bad as some posters, particularly on the thread for it, are making out. It might hold steady, it might rise a little (didn't Win Your Wish List actually increase its viewers as it went on?) or it might drop - and I really hope it isn't the latter. It is far more enjoyable than Tumble and it seems to be, at least from the first episode, quite well made. I'm disappointed it didn't get to the 5 million mark.

The Voice has, in my view, jumped the Shark. Boy George just seems so desperate to get a contestant it is quite hilarious. I also can't fathom out what they are looking for. All the people selected so far seem bland and ordinary. There have been some outstanding performances that got passed over and Paloma Faith even said last night "Oh, if I had seen what you looked like, I would have turned!" Paloma love, I don't think you quite understand the format! Ricky Wilson is the only judge that seems to be taking it seriously. Boy George is good at taking himself seriously, Paloma Faith acts and speaks (and dresses) like a little girl and Will.i.am doesn't seem to be overly bothered this series. Tom Jones is sorely missed. As is a strong female coach.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:52
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Well, exactly. The show is made by Wall to Wall and Talpa - the latter of which is, of course, owned by ITV...

I'm sure the BBC have plenty of meetings to discuss it and maybe in the early days passed down notes too - but I hardly think Charlotte Moore still sits there in the editing suite going "more backstory please"! The only way BBC One could have hurt The Voice is by mis-scheduling it or dealing down promotion - neither of which they've really done. I'm sure the producers will be looking to refresh the show next year for a new channel (I'm not clear whether it'll go in-house or if Wall to Wall will retain involvement) - but they won't throw out what has worked and it'll likely be most of the same people making the executive calls!

This thread is a little funny like that. We seem to understand the producer-broadcaster split when there's a high-profile producer like Cowell to blame for format mistakes or production problems, but if we don't know their names we'll just go and blame channel controllers in all other circumstances!
I'm not sure Wall to Wall will still be involved , I think they might look for another indie to co-produce with.

BBC1 certainly have had a lot of say over it though. Maybe not so much now but they were all over it in the first couple of years. Even last year I think Danny Cohen was involved in changing the battle shows slightly. Perhaps most importantly though they control the order and that seems to be part of the problem. 7 episodes of between 80 and 95 minutes each is simply too much for the blind auditions. Too much for the number of contestants that go through and therefore the amount of filming they do. It means they have to pad it out with filler. I imagine ITV will keep it at 7 shows but at 90 minutes each, which on a commercial channel is around 65 minutes of content. So on average each episode will probably be around 20 minutes shorter, so the filler should be massively slimmed down and the edit somewhat snappier. Certainly the Syco audition shows don't drag anywhere near as much as The Voice's do as they aren't as long. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what they actually do but that's my theory. The US version does around 10 hours of auditions (including commercials). 7x90 minute shows would put ITV at 10.5 hours whereas if you stuck commercials into the BBC's version you'd be on around 13-14 hours.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:53
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The Voice is a decent format I watch every episode of the US show online but have never enjoyed the UK version, it just doesn't feel like the same show. None of the UK panels have created the same chemistry for a start. In the US they really do compete for the artists and rely on their minds and expertise to push the button they know what they want to hear and when they hear it they press it regardless of whether they are first etc there's a genuine fury when other coaches get in on the act and the pitches are barnstorming. I don't get that from the UK version they very rarely seem to really invest in it.
Steals in both the battles and knockouts are dramatic but in the UK one seem like an afterthought and the UK also misses the superstar coaching in the knockouts which has seen Chris Martin Taylor Swift and Rihanna in recent seasons. There's a decent show for ITV to unearth as I don't think the BBC have ever really got there. Wooing one of the excellent US coaches to get it off the ground would be my priority preferably Pharrell Williams but in any case a coach shake up has to be a priority because the chemistry just isn't there
The point was though to find a different emphasis and atmosphere to the UK X Factor. The selling point (aside from the spinning chair gimmick) has been the friendliness and easy going interaction between the coaches. Arguably this has lent itself towards a less charged atmosphere and a more aged BBC audience, which may not all follow it across the divide. Thus ITV has its challenge to redefine it a bit and hopefully maintain a viable audience.

Lets not forget though that, in modern terms, TVUK has been a success on the BBC. XF and BGT are colossal UK brands and TVUK was never going to hit their respective peak performances. However overall, many good numbers and share winning outcomes over 4/5 years and has seen the BBC dominate Saturdays over the last two seasons in quarter 1 (where it should have been from the outset-and may even have topped the 11.99 million best from series 1).

We wait and see but history may very well record the BBC had the best of The Voice-ITV will have to go some maintain the format for the next five years whoever they choose as coaches.
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:55
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I've never known you to be such a supporter of Syco. Although I agree they'll be very pleased to see these ratings. They'll be hoping that the drops for X Factor and The Voice don't mean anything for BGT though.

With Rising Star they had the good sense to can it. I do think ITV will make a better job of the format (the BBC's version is nowhere near as good as NBC's) but I imagine there will be some concern still.
BIB - but the format is now run by ITV … so how can ITV do a better job of TVUK, just because it'll be broadcast on a different channel?

And, after what happened with TXF last year, who's to say their commissioning editors know any better anyway?

There is a wider problem with these kind of entertainment formats, and bringing in different judges won't make any difference. In any case, if they're on the wane, why would anyone more high profile want to do it? Given that Adele has repeatedly turned down branding opportunities (perfume, etc), why on earth would she want to diminish herself by appearing as a judge on TVUK (or TXF, for that matter)?
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Old 17-01-2016, 11:59
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A radical idea I know, but could BBC1 save their movie premieres normally reserved for Christmas, for January Saturdays followed by Doctor Who and Win Your Wish List for next January? As long as they have a premiere on Christmas Day at 3.10pm, the rest wouldn't be missed much anyway considering they're always scheduled in daytime now!
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