For a start they won't have time for the padding because of the adverts. You'd assume the coaches will change. The removal of Paloma Faith would automatically make it better. Of course they aren't going to get Adele but I can't imagine it would be difficult to find someone less irritating.

There's obviously no guarantee it will be better on ITV but it's just my theory based on them not having as much time for filler and it won't be constrained by BBC commercial restrictions. It also won't need to be as self-indulgent and could be more like the superior American version. There may also be a different company co-producing it. Also yes X Factor dropped last year but on the whole ITV do have a better track record in this area. Obviously nothing is guaranteed and the whole thing could be a disaster but it's hardly worth writing it off yet and I fail to see how the BBC have come out of this remotely well.

Interestingly enough for the first time ever, I've noticed that there isn't much at all between the standard of talent between The Voice UK and The Voice Of Ireland which shows how dire it has been so far this year.

ITVs weekend stuff would probably do very well on BBC1.

It's funny how the very generic unimaginative stuff is more often to be found on the BBC these days, while it's ITV who are trying to break new ground and are putting more of an effort into it.

But ITVs low-end brand is harming it's own ratings.

It will be interesting to see how ITV do it. The blinds are the big selling point, the temptation must be to elongate/increase them as opposed to the rest of the format. The biggest challenge though is maintaining the audience through the battles and lives. They will be interesting figures on ITV.

Iv watched a lot of TVUK, I have to say its the mingling and largely positive interaction between the coaches that's been a draw for me, so the conversations aren't a problem. ITV effectively has built in filler anyway with a commercial break every 10/15 minutes so I guess they do need to stick to the audition process as much as they can.

To be honest, it is the exact opposite, ITV flooded with soaps, and generic programmes, no risk taking, the BBC is taking risks, some work so do not, but there is far more imagination on BBC from Attenborough to Dickensain, to War and Peace, and Tracy Ullman, new stuff, and not formula TV.

Agree. XF " died" last year, TVUK doing just a bit better but lost millions, the end of singing contests is nigh, time is not right for any channel to flood us eith TV singing contests it was so 2010's.

Agree.

For once agree, there are many viewers not " engaged" by current Saturday night TV but The Getaway car did, OK, against other LE shows. It's been a trend for a few years now, only SCD seems to buck the downward spiral that all TV channels can't inspire audiences on Saturday nights. It shows the strength of SCD and how weak other LE is.

For some reason this thread thinks " over 50s" are very dirty words and keep slagging off shows that engage older viewers, well if people can live till 100 and longer these days, then the over 50s are important, and make up 50% of viewers and maybe more on viewing time of retired. Where as under 50s most likely have work commitments.

Note the Over 50s have more wealth and buying power and more likely to buy a top of the range car then someone who is 18, who even if an insurance company will quote, will not insure them on any powerful car.

So Jekyll and Hyde, Beowulf, Harry Price, Sound of Music Live and Peter & Wendy wasn't risk taking? Most of it flopped, but it was better than what BBC One had on.

ITV might have too many hours of soap, but BBC One also have EastEnders, Casualty, Holby City and Dickensian on at the moment, so not much better.

SCD and BGT both buck the trend. But the fact both gets such easy opposition only increases their appeal.

I would agree that for once there was some ITV risk taking, and it was good for ITV to give them a try. But like the Sound of Music it's just one night, and Harry Price , Peter and Wendy one night not a series. As you say they all flopped due to 1/ very poor schedules , been shown at the wrong time. Real risk but the shows you quote on Saturday night and circa 8 pm, rather than formula Talent shows, not out of the way Sunday tee time. That's not risk taking it's giving up before they start.

You compare three hours of Emmerdale per week, plus two and a half hours of Corrie, so a total of five and a half hours of soap on ITV per week, to Two hours of EE? Now Dickensian at twenty shows us not a soap, based in the past and a complete new concept, yes it's thirty minutes that's where comparison ends.

Holby and Casualty are continuing dramas one year round one 11 months a year with gaps. Yes medicated soaps but a different forms, closer to drama as 50/60 minutes long, but still , even with them ITV has far more soap.

yes, SCD has the best slot, and BGT isn't usually scheduled against.

So you agree, that XF is easy opposition to SCD? So no more posts on overlapping then?

I wonder why ITV ahead to publish there XF schedule in advance then?

As SCD is the top show at weekends, four million above competitors, it can " take the water" of wherever it wants. Like the University boat race, if your do much in front, you can do what you want. Others must respect it. Same goes for BGT and EE has to reschedule against it, where it can.

The Sound Of Music Live wasn't that much of a risk - it was aping a successful experiment on US TV. The problem for ITV was that audiences here didn't catch on in the way they did Stateside.

HPGH was a pilot that was thrown away against stronger competition on BBC One, made by an ITV company, ironically. Did ITV take a risk with the project? Possibly - but they scotched it thanks to their own sabotage.

But J&H and Beowulf were cursed before they were even broadcast. There are inherent flaws in both formats that the commissioners should have been able to spot when they first green lit them. That they didn't, and went ahead with them, is a risk no broadcaster should take with any project.

Popular drama is something ITV used to have a really strong handle on, then they dropped the ball and, despite some successes in familiar genres, they've never clawed back what they lost. And the current commissioning team don't seem to be any closer to that.

Focus on talent ? Maybe in the past but XF has become self indulgent and bizarrely all about the judges in recent years hence the audience has collapsed. No talent there in the last series.
Singing shows are stale hence ITV will not be able to polish a turd.
BGT and SCD will continue to thrive as they are entertaining.

I hope ITV are happy with the Ninja Warrior ratings, because they'll be getting similar ratings for Voice next year. It would have dropped on BBC One next year, and it'll drop further on ITV, I'm sure. I'm not a fan of poaching programmes, so I think it's amusing.
No chance. If by some chance, the Tories and their commercial media pals also Hall's BBC Studios plans, the BBC will have safeguards in place for their top shows.

I think it will be difficult for ITV but as last year showed if there is nothing better on Viewers will watch The Voice

I agree with all this. I believe that part of the problem is the reliance on too few shows. Nowadays a schedule is formulated around a tiny handful of hit shows and as such is damaging the hit shows - and causing problems in developing new ones. I remember the time that both ITV and BBC would have a strong schedule of varied programming because in those days commissioners would be thinking about entire schedule per evening and not just a show that can start before same old same as.

ITV were hugely successful in capturing an audience from as early as 5pm on Saturdays for instance. Simplky because they had the knowledge of what audiences wanted at certain times of the evening. Robin of Sherwood was a popular drama because it was scheduled (and devised) as a Saturday teatime show, the perfect curtain raiser for a strong schedule. Each following programme had mass appeal because they were a contrast to what came before. Aspel and Co. The Price is Right. Stars in their Eyes. Blind Date. The Brian Conley Show. Beadles About. A big film. The list is endless. When one big series ended, another replaced it.

BBC had a good run too with bought in drama like Midnight Caller, Dynasty and so on. But they also had continuing dramas of their own like One By One or Juliet Bravo. Big popular shows like Little and Large, Paul Daniels and Bob's Full House would also feature.

It is a sad indictment on the abilities of broadcasters to entertain us these days if they find it so hard to "get" the audience in the way they were able to do so as little as twenty years ago.

There sems to be some talking up of ITVs figures today. Now when they do get some outstanding ratings I will praise them but being slighly better than last years horrors is nothing much to go on about.
Reading the thread this morning you would think that NWUK was the top show of the day and ITV won primetime clearly but they got just 14% share.
Getaway Car did not interest me and neither does NWUK but their respective ratings were similar and comparable ( although they may not be next week ) but apparently one is poor/flop and the other brilliant.

Absolutely. Good post. Getaway Car and Ninja Warrior are similar formats that clearly appealed to the same people. Neither flopped big time but neither set the world alight either. I could never bring myself to watching a British Show called "Ninja Warrior" because clearly the contestants are neither! It just sounds so tacky.

I imagine they are pretty happy with the Ninja Warrior numbers yes, but equally I highly, highly doubt The Voice will drop that much. That would mean dropping a third of its audience. The Lloyd Webber format dropped about that much but that was with a gap of over two years, a move to the Summer, a move to a stripped format and with the format being changed quite considerably as they couldn't ape what BBC1 did. Plus that was with musical theatre which is a much better fit on the BBC than on ITV.

The Voice won't have any of that working against it so I can't see it dropping that much. It might drop a bit, it might not if they get the show right. Although even if it does demographically it'd probably be viable. I can't imagine BBC1 putting anything against it that'll get the 1.1m or so 16-34s that Take Me Out will have got last night. I imagine even though it is a three year deal there will be some sort of contingency in place if ratings fall too low.

One thing though is that if your prediction does come true then Simon Cowell will be grinning from ear to ear.

Getaway Car had a lead-in of over 5m and a lead out of 6.4m. It was a new show that has had some hype this week. Ninja Warrior is mid-series, had a lead-in of less than 3m and a lead-out of less than 4m and overlapped with The Voice. It had it a lot tougher hence why its performance is relatively better than The Getaway Car's. Ninja Warrior obviously isn't a big smash hit but it is doing perfectly well. Getaway Car had a nice sandwich and yet may fall from here. It might not of course but it doesn't look as promising as Ninja Warrior. If Getaway Car got that in April in a much more average schedule it'd be a decent start. As things are it did OK but nothing more. Also Ninja Warrior got double what ITV got last year, a bit more than "slightly better".

I get that you are disappointed that BBC1 didn't do as well as you thought it would last night but nobody as far as I can see things Ninja Warrior is the second coming, it just got a pretty good rating.

I expect Simon Cowell is already smiling. Depending on which country he's in, he's probably already seen last night's ratings, possibly ahead of some of the ITV management who might not see the figures until they arrive at work tomorrow morning.

Oh I'm sure he'll have seen them. I assume he's in the UK as they were filming BGT auditions yesterday. He might have already put in a call to ITV actually, subtly steering them towards that X Factor renewal.

I think Getaway Car needs to settle around 3.5m to get another series. I think that was roughly what Total Wipeout was getting when its final series aired? So, I don't think there's much room for manoeuvre. Pardon the pun.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the current series split in two with the rest in summer. Presumably they'll want to give Can't Touch This a go before the light nights, and there are loads of lottery shows on the way this year, so they'll need to begin before Voice ends.

Its all perspective though. ITV almost were lost without trace last January. Ninja Warrior has held a bit of ground for them on its second series. I hope Getaway Car does the same but as a first episode with the added curiosity bonus its not a great launch and more often than not shows then lose viewers. I think its a bit on the low side for comfort tbh.

I do agree 14% is still awful, but ITV have been plumbing 8% depths at times recently.