It is now isn't it? Wasn't so much when XF was thrashing Strictly back in 2010 though.

How the mighty have fallen.

ITV still trailing BBC One by 10% points on Saturday Night. Not exactly a great achievement is it?

I bet though NW, YBF, Jonathan Ross and TMO will return year after year.

Its not a case of" if by some chance", its already happening BBC studios is been spun off as a private company.What will happen will be interesting to see,but the whole point of it is so that BBC studios can make a profit by selling its products to other broadcasters.

But why wouldnt Ninja Warrior and Take me Out return there not rating horribly.

YBF is cheap and fills 30 min gaps and Jonathan Ross as last night showed can still pull in big name guests he just needs the ratings to go up a little

Not at all, I agree that NW and TMO aren't rating horribly, neither badly. But ITV will accept defeat and stay in a distant second place.

These shows need a big hitter around them. There's too many second rate shows in one block. IMO.

We'll have to see if the new charter allows all of Hall's plans. ITV have already "had a word" to try and put the kybosh on things.

I agree with you but next year they have The Voice and fingers crossed it will be rating about 6/7 million.

If I was ITV next year I would go with

6.00pm Ninja Warrior UK
7.00pm The Voice
8.30pm Take me Out
9.50pm Jonathan Ross

But I dont know if thats a bit early for NW

Dont think ITV have any objections to the privatisation of BBC Studios,puts them all on same level playing field.

Crozier was moaning within 24 hours.

Bottom paragraph:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ition-with-bbc

"Cant Touch This" looks a little Total Wipeoutish as well?

Perhaps the BBC should have just kept..................Total Wipeout

Part of me wishes the BBC didn't have the Lottery contract. It just seems it almost demands an endless stream of wraparound half hearted quiz formats to flesh it out. It works quite well as a ten minute slot-but I guess there are too many slots to fill in the year to keep it like that. And if they didn't have it presumably we would just get the quiz because its cheap.

You are always going on about me and BBC whenever you get the chance. Now I do watch more BBC than any other channel but FYI I do not defend them for no reason. I react when I think some daft points are being made and thats why I said what I did. The different reaction to 2 programmes with similar ratings justified that.
Just because NW bettered the programme that was on last year is neither here nor there because I was talking their primetime share which would have been up a little hence 'slightly better'.
BBC won primetime comfortably so I dont think they will be disappointed.

Well he said he didnt think it could happen without state money,which I think the BBC said they would not need.

To be honest, i do not understand this answer at all.

It worked then.

Surely BBC studios like ITV studios do not own the programmes but just make them for whoever commissions them?

In what way is Dickensian a soap dominating the schedules in the same bracket as the contemporary EastEnders, Coronation Street and Emmerdale? Its format may well have been conceived as half hourly soap style episodes and it may have been created by an ex EastEnders lead writer, presumably so as to ensure mass appeal, but it is essentially a period drama and not, like the contemporary soaps, on all year round. It is also clearly a creative endeavour and risk on the BBC's part in the same way that itv's reworkings of Jekyll and Hyde and Beowulf are, whether you and others on this thread choose to accept it or not.

Obviously it's not a risk that has paid off in ratings terms but it was a risk nonetheless to commission it in the way that the BBC did with a 20 episode run.

Tom Jones and Jessie J must be in there interests to get for ITV.

I picked up on that particular point because it is surely obvious that whilst the two shows got similar ratings one definitely had it easier than the other, hence the differing reactions. It's more than you quite regularly seem to enjoy putting ITV's numbers down. They've had enough flops lately where it is entirely justified but they did okay last night. Their primetime share wasn't great mainly because Jonathan Ross which should be a fringe programme on after 10pm was on at 9.20pm. I assume the reason they do that in January every year boils down to money but it isn't great, hence their mediocre primetime share.

It isn't as simple as winning primetime or not. The world and his dog could have told you BBC1 would win primetime as soon as we saw the schedules, but it's the actual numbers for each show that tell more of a story and I would suggest they might have liked a little more for one or two shows last night. That's all.

SCD faces for most of the time The Chase, and last year uber flop Jekyll l& Hyde.

The X Factor is easier opposition, but its like when BGT faced TVUK and in its live shows crushed it.

Interesting night tonight. Call The Midwife is back which should boost the shows around it, but Endeavour is tougher competition than All Star Family Fortunes so I can't see it making its usual 9m. Meanwhile will Beowulf take the big drop we were expecting last week? Predictions:

Countryfile - 7.6m
Still Open All Hours - 7.5m
Call The Midwife - 8.4m
War & Peace - 5.7m

Beowulf - 1.9m
Endeavour - 4.2m

Including +1 for ITV.

Hilarious. What do you want from a singing show. Last years TXF had excellent singer Louisa Johnson (despite her single failing it was a poor song choice), was as good as any successful singer in the market now.

Its amazing how people on here make sweepng statements like this in regard to TXF 'poor singers' etc pops up every year, and yet some of the singers on TXF are better than big acts that are out in the industry already.

I think push the schedule back 30 mins to start at 6:30pm and that schedule would be fine.

I'm interested to see how Call the Midwife rates. Excluding the Christmas episodes every episode rates consistently well.

Previous CTM series openers (overnights):
2015 - 8.31m (32.8%)
2014 - 9.61m (36.1%)
2013 - 9.32m (32.3%)
2012 - 7.95m (27.5%)

I think CTM will be lower han that based on how a weaker Foyle's War got 4.1m inc+1. Whereas CTM got 8.3m.

I think Endeavour will be around 4.6m inc+1 and Call The Midwife 8m-8.2m

Not just in its live shows!! http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/britains-...e-in-ratings-0