The Ratings Thread (Part 66)

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H of De Vil

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“There sems to be some talking up of ITVs figures today. Now when they do get some outstanding ratings I will praise them but being slighly better than last years horrors is nothing much to go on about.
Reading the thread this morning you would think that NWUK was the top show of the day and ITV won primetime clearly but they got just 14% share.
Getaway Car did not interest me and neither does NWUK but their respective ratings were similar and comparable ( although they may not be next week ) but apparently one is poor/flop and the other brilliant. ”

Earlier today I posted last years ITV schedule with the ratings. Then you will see why ITV's figures are being talked up.

Last night's Jonathon Ross got higher ratings than most of last year ITV primtme schedule.

The fact ITV's 2015 was so dire, and now they put some effort into the schedule - ratings are improving, surely they are due a bit of talking up?

H of De Vil

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“I agree with you but next year they have The Voice and fingers crossed it will be rating about 6/7 million.

If I was ITV next year I would go with

6.00pm Ninja Warrior UK
7.00pm The Voice
8.30pm Take me Out
9.50pm Jonathan Ross

But I dont know if thats a bit early for NW”

Pull everything backwards 30minutes, then that would be a stronger schedule. But personally I would move Take Me Out to Summer when TVUK arrives.

6.30pm Ninja Warrior UK
7.30pm The Voice
9pm Take Me Out
10.20pm ITV News
10.35pm Jonathan Ross

davies88

17-01-2016

Wouldn't Take Me Out be better swapped with NWUK? TMO seems like a show that should be nearer tea time.

Pizzatheaction

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“"Cant Touch This" looks a little Total Wipeoutish as well?

Perhaps the BBC should have just kept..................Total Wipeout

Part of me wishes the BBC didn't have the Lottery contract. It just seems it almost demands an endless stream of wraparound half hearted quiz formats to flesh it out. It works quite well as a ten minute slot-but I guess there are too many slots to fill in the year to keep it like that. And if they didn't have it presumably we would just get the quiz because its cheap.”

The draw shows have done well for the last few weeks, but they had awful ratings last autumn. I think it might be more to do with Ross being on far too early than any increased interest in Lotto after last week's huge jackpot.

I miss Total Wipeout.

Chris1964

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Earlier today I posted last years ITV schedule with the ratings. Then you will see why ITV's figures are being talked up.

Last night's Jonathon Ross got higher ratings than most of last year ITV primtme schedule.

The fact ITV's 2015 was so dire, and now they put some effort into the schedule - ratings are improving, surely they are due a bit of talking up?”

A few things have gone their way too such as the BBC's financial problems gifting them an earlier than expected chance to show Six Nations back in part, and although its some way off the whole Racing package will add something different next year too. Had they been able to thrash out a deal for F1 it would have been even better but clearly The Voice will be have an impact next year. 2015 was dire but certain things are starting to fall into place for the future especially with the BBC wary over charter renewal and having a few reverses to deal with.

BadSignal

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I agree with all this. I believe that part of the problem is the reliance on too few shows. Nowadays a schedule is formulated around a tiny handful of hit shows and as such is damaging the hit shows - and causing problems in developing new ones. I remember the time that both ITV and BBC would have a strong schedule of varied programming because in those days commissioners would be thinking about entire schedule per evening and not just a show that can start before same old same as.

ITV were hugely successful in capturing an audience from as early as 5pm on Saturdays for instance. Simplky because they had the knowledge of what audiences wanted at certain times of the evening. Robin of Sherwood was a popular drama because it was scheduled (and devised) as a Saturday teatime show, the perfect curtain raiser for a strong schedule. Each following programme had mass appeal because they were a contrast to what came before. Aspel and Co. The Price is Right. Stars in their Eyes. Blind Date. The Brian Conley Show. Beadles About. A big film. The list is endless. When one big series ended, another replaced it.

BBC had a good run too with bought in drama like Midnight Caller, Dynasty and so on. But they also had continuing dramas of their own like One By One or Juliet Bravo. Big popular shows like Little and Large, Paul Daniels and Bob's Full House would also feature.

It is a sad indictment on the abilities of broadcasters to entertain us these days if they find it so hard to "get" the audience in the way they were able to do so as little as twenty years ago.”

I Cant agree with all of this enough, You are Spot on.

yorkie100

17-01-2016

Fair enough - I just think we are starting from such a low level as last year that any improvement seems lacklustre especially when its pretty much the same schedule except that one show has been changed. Still any upward movement is good news for them I suppose.

H of De Vil

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Fair enough - I just think we are starting from such a low level as last year that any improvement seems lacklustre especially when its pretty much the same schedule except that one show has been changed. Still any upward movement is good news for them I suppose.”

Last year was so awfu, that any movement is good news. 2014 was bad, then 2015 the bottom fell out. Basically this year has gone up. So far ITV's January is going fairly well: Satuday's not too bad, Sunday's bar the 7pm slot are holding up (with Endeavour rising), Monday doing well opposite Silent Witness, Tuesday....just don't go there. Wednesday is doing wel, BOAF up YOY posting some good figures for a comedy tucked away on Thursday.

Most ratings are up YOY, which late last year I thought was going to be unlikely even with the stronger schedule. I hought BBC1 would walk it.

davies88

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Last year was so awfu, that any movement is good news. 2014 was bad, then 2015 the bottom fell out. Basically this year has gone up. So far ITV's January is going fairly well: Satuday's not too bad, Sunday's bar the 7pm slot are holding up (with Endeavour rising), Monday doing well opposite Silent Witness, Tuesday....just don't go there. Wednesday is doing wel, BOAF up YOY posting some good figures for a comedy tucked away on Thursday.

Most ratings are up YOY, which late last year I thought was going to be unlikely even with the stronger schedule. I hought BBC1 would walk it.”

To be fair, they did. 24% v 14%.

Salv*

17-01-2016

Predictions on tonight...

BBC1:
Country file- 7.3m
Still Open All Hours- 7.1m
Call The Midwife- 8.0m
War and Peace- 5.7m

ITV: (with +1)
Beowolf- 2.1m
Endeavour- 4.6m

Markynotts

17-01-2016

BOAF is hardly tucked away in a primetime Thursday slot.

Excluding the soaps, isn't Midsomer the only ITV series so far to barely get just over 5 million viewers in 2016 ? I wouldn't say that ITV's new winter season is going that well. They really need to try a lot harder.

stv viewer

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“BOAF is hardly tucked away in a primetime Thursday slot.

Excluding the soaps, isn't Midsomer the only ITV series so far to scrape just over 5 million viewers in 2016 ? I wouldn't say that ITV's new winter season is going that well. They really need to try a lot harder.”

I think Benidorm and Ant and Dec got over 5 million

Markynotts

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“I think Benidorm and Ant and Dec got over 5 million”

I had forgotten about Ant and Dec.

Didn't Benidorm return with 4.58 million viewers last week ?

Salv*

17-01-2016

Looking back earlier on the ratings, I again have to say how surprised I am with Ninja Warriors performance. Is that not a third consecutive increase despite the first week not facing The Voice. At this point I really was expecting something like 7.5m for The Voice and SITE type ratings for NW. Could the gap narrow when the blinds finish? If NW is still on during the Voice performances (after the battles) I would not be surprised if there is only a million separating them! Who would have thought that? I know they don't clash for long but still!

Salv*

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“I had forgotten about Ant and Dec.

Didn't Benidorm return with 4.58 million viewers last week ?”

With +1 I think it was 5.1m but yeah I think excluding it was around that number

H of De Vil

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“I had forgotten about Ant and Dec.

Didn't Benidorm return with 4.58 million viewers last week ?”

5.1m inc+1, Endeavour 5.2m last weekend.

Markynotts

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Salv*:
“With +1 I think it was 5.1m but yeah I think excluding it was around that number”

Which don't get me wrong, is a great number for a programme starting its 8th series.

Dan R

17-01-2016

Could SNT climb above The Voice this year for the first time in years?

Markynotts

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Could SNT climb above The Voice this year for the first time in years?”

As much as I dislike Ant and Dec, I hope that it does. It's a popular show with likeable hosts.

I think TV UK has passed it's peak.

Chris1964

17-01-2016

I think there always has to be a bit of context with these arguments. I don't disagree all those shows were hits and very popular but at their peaks were inhabiting a 4 channel era where big audiences were virtually guaranteed. Variety, which effectively fed a stream of stars to the small screen for decades is practically dead. The strand that produced Game For a Laugh and subsequently Beadles About/You've Been Framed etc has been done to death over and over. The mutated Stars in Their Eyes died on its rear last year, a lot of ITV's rather desperate quiz show remakes have struggled to hold their own and films are now like yesterdays newspapers as far as impact on terrestrial tv is concerned. American drama series just don't work on the big two anymore.
I reckon if you were to premiere most of those shows mentioned now they would struggle in todays environment-like a lot of new ideas have done over the last ten years. Its many times harder now than it was and some of what was popular then has been overexposed making it a non starter now.
I must admit, where shiny floor entertainment is concerned I don't where you look beyond talent and celeb formats-and even they are starting to show their age now.

davies88

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Could SNT climb above The Voice this year for the first time in years?”

I really hope Stephen Mulhern, Robbie Williams and Michael Buble make an appearance on SNT this year.

Ant and Dec ain't rolled out Jonathan Wilkes for a while have they?

Markynotts

17-01-2016

BBC America are to produce a new series of Dirk Gently which was originally shown on BBC Four

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/bbc-...cy-1201674933/

No news on Class which was commissioned for BBC Three. With the channel now closing, could this come along on BBC One in the spring, or held back until the Autumn ?

rzt

17-01-2016

Drama Consolidated Averages for 2015
Here are the consolidated averages for dramas on BBC One and ITV in 2015:

Code:

BBC One
1 - 10.23m - Call The Midwife... (-2%)
2 - 8.60m - Death In Paradise... (+2%)
3 - 8.29m - Silent Witness... (+12%)
4 - 8.19m - Doctor Foster... (NEW/+33%)
5 - 7.98m - And Then There Were None... (NEW/-11%)
6 - 7.86m - Esio Trot... (NEW)
7 - 7.60m - Poldark... (NEW/-16%)
8 - 7.42m - Last Tango In Halifax... (+4%)
9 - 6.82m - An Inspector Calls... (NEW)
10 - 6.65m - Inspector George Gently... (+1%)
11 - 6.63m - The Casual Vacancy... (NEW/-31%)
12 - 6.62m - Luther... (+11%)
13 - 6.46m - The Syndicate... (+3%)
14 - 6.28m - New Tricks... (+9%)
15 - 6.16m - Doctor Who... (-16%)
16 - 5.82m - Ordinary Lives... (NEW/+4%)
17 - 5.64m - Lady Chattersley's Lover... (NEW)
18 - 5.54m - Parners In Crime... (NEW/-49%)
19 - 4.93m - The C-Word... (NEW)
20 - 4.82m - The Outcast... (NEW/-12%)
21 - 4.81m - The Ark... (NEW)
22 - 4.61m - Capital... (NEW/-9%)
23 - 4.54m - From Darkness... (NEW/-20%)
24 - 4.51m - Cider With Rosie... (NEW)
25 - 4.26m - The Musketeers... (-32%)
26 - 4.06m - Cuffs... (NEW/-20%)
27 - 3.91m - River... (NEW/-29%)
28 - 3.87m - A Song For Jenny... (NEW)
29 - 3.86m - Ripper Street... (-19%)
30 - 3.80m - Danny And The Human Zoo... (NEW)
31 - 3.39m - The Go-Between... (NEW)
32 - 3.33m - The Interceptor... (NEW/-34%)
33 - 3.17m - Atlantis... (-36%)
34 - 3.05m - Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell... (NEW/-64%)

Code:

ITV (inc +1 in brackets)
1 - 9.66m (10.18m) - Downton Abbey... (+1%)
2 - 8.59m (9.21m) - Broadchurch... (-2%)
3 - 7.09m (7.49m) - Doc Martin... (-17%)
4 - 7.04m (7.55m) - Black Work... (NEW/-9%)
5 - 6.16m (6.55) - Safe House... (NEW/-14%)
6 - 6.08m (6.45m) - Code Of A Killer... (NEW/-4%)
7 - 5.79m (6.15m) - Home Fires... (NEW/-12%)
8 - 5.77m (6.20m) - Vera... (-14%)
9 - 5.66m (6.16m) - Foyle's War... (-20%)
10 - 5.43m (5.88m) - Midsomer Murders... (-14%)
11 - 5.39m (5.84m) - Unforgotten... (NEW/-12%)
12 - 5.19m (5.48m) - DCI Banks... (-22%)
13 - 4.95m (5.41m) - Lewis... (-12%)
14 - 4.93m (5.21m) - Arthur & George... (NEW/-34%)
15 - 4.78m (5.24m) - Mr Selfridge... (-17%)
16 - 4.57m (4.77m) - The Sound Of Music Live... (NEW)
17 - 4.70m (5.12m) - The Trials Of Jimmy Rose... (NEW/-16%)
18 - 3.54m (3.69m) - Prey... (-49%)
19 - 2.44m (2.60m) - Jekyll & Hyde... (NEW/-59%)
20 - 2.38m (2.67m) - Midwinter Of The Spirit... (NEW/-27%)
21 - 2.37m (2.69m) - Harry Price: Ghost Hunter... (NEW)

Here are the individual episode ratings: http://s12.postimg.org/6vedzzzf1/2016_dramas.png

In brackets is the % rise or fall compared to the averages for their previous series. For new shows, the % is the rise or fall between the first and last episodes of the series. I couldn't get all of the consolidated ratings because some episodes rated too low to chart on BARB or Broadcast magazine so the numbers in red are fairly close guesstimates. As most of its episodes are airing this year, Dickensian will be part of the 2016 averages.

BBC One Drama in 2015 averaged 5.94m over about 170-175 hours. ITV Drama in 2015 averaged 5.69m (inc +1: 6.09m) over about 117 hours.

H of De Vil

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Drama Consolidated Averages for 2015
Here are the consolidated averages for dramas on BBC One and ITV in 2015:

Code:

BBC One 1 - 10.23m - Call The Midwife... (-2%) 2 - 8.60m - Death In Paradise... (+2%) 3 - 8.29m - Silent Witness... (+12%) 4 - 8.19m - Doctor Foster... (NEW/+33%) 5 - 7.98m - And Then There Were None... (NEW/-11%) 6 - 7.86m - Esio Trot... (NEW) 7 - 7.60m - Poldark... (NEW/-16%) 8 - 7.42m - Last Tango In Halifax... (+4%) 9 - 6.82m - An Inspector Calls... (NEW) 10 - 6.65m - Inspector George Gently... (+1%) 11 - 6.63m - The Casual Vacancy... (NEW/-31%) 12 - 6.62m - Luther... (+11%) 13 - 6.46m - The Syndicate... (+3%) 14 - 6.28m - New Tricks... (+9%) 15 - 6.16m - Doctor Who... (-16%) 16 - 5.82m - Ordinary Lives... (NEW/+4%) 17 - 5.64m - Lady Chattersley's Lover... (NEW) 18 - 5.54m - Parners In Crime... (NEW/-49%) 19 - 4.93m - The C-Word... (NEW) 20 - 4.82m - The Outcast... (NEW/-12%) 21 - 4.81m - The Ark... (NEW) 22 - 4.61m - Capital... (NEW/-9%) 23 - 4.54m - From Darkness... (NEW/-20%) 24 - 4.51m - Cider With Rosie... (NEW) 25 - 4.26m - The Musketeers... (-32%) 26 - 4.06m - Cuffs... (NEW/-20%) 27 - 3.91m - River... (NEW/-29%) 28 - 3.87m - A Song For Jenny... (NEW) 29 - 3.86m - Ripper Street... (-19%) 30 - 3.80m - Danny And The Human Zoo... (NEW) 31 - 3.39m - The Go-Between... (NEW) 32 - 3.33m - The Interceptor... (NEW/-34%) 33 - 3.17m - Atlantis... (-36%) 34 - 3.05m - Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell... (NEW/-64%)

Code:

ITV (inc +1 in brackets) 1 - 9.66m (10.18m) - Downton Abbey... (+1%) 2 - 8.59m (9.21m) - Broadchurch... (-2%) 3 - 7.09m (7.49m) - Doc Martin... (-17%) 4 - 7.04m (7.55m) - Black Work... (NEW/-9%) 5 - 6.16m (6.55) - Safe House... (NEW/-14%) 6 - 6.08m (6.45m) - Code Of A Killer... (NEW/-4%) 7 - 5.79m (6.15m) - Home Fires... (NEW/-12%) 8 - 5.77m (6.20m) - Vera... (-14%) 9 - 5.66m (6.16m) - Foyle's War... (-20%) 10 - 5.43m (5.88m) - Midsomer Murders... (-14%) 11 - 5.39m (5.84m) - Unforgotten... (NEW/-12%) 12 - 5.19m (5.48m) - DCI Banks... (-22%) 13 - 4.95m (5.41m) - Lewis... (-12%) 14 - 4.93m (5.21m) - Arthur & George... (NEW/-34%) 15 - 4.78m (5.24m) - Mr Selfridge... (-17%) 16 - 4.57m (4.77m) - The Sound Of Music Live... (NEW) 17 - 4.70m (5.12m) - The Trials Of Jimmy Rose... (NEW/-16%) 18 - 3.54m (3.69m) - Prey... (-49%) 19 - 2.44m (2.60m) - Jekyll & Hyde... (NEW/-59%) 20 - 2.38m (2.67m) - Midwinter Of The Spirit... (NEW/-27%) 21 - 2.37m (2.69m) - Harry Price: Ghost Hunter... (NEW)

Here are the individual episode ratings: http://s12.postimg.org/6vedzzzf1/2016_dramas.png

In brackets is the % rise or fall compared to the averages for their previous series. For new shows, the % is the rise or fall between the first and last episodes of the series. I couldn't get all of the consolidated ratings because some episodes rated too low to chart on BARB or Broadcast magazine so the numbers in red are fairly close guesstimates. As most of its episodes are airing this year, Dickensian will be part of the 2016 averages.

BBC One Drama in 2015 averaged 5.94m over about 170-175 hours. ITV Drama in 2015 averaged 5.69m (inc +1: 6.09m) over about 117 hours.”

Thanks rzt

2015 was a poor year for ITV drama, so here's hoping 2016 will be stronger with some unkown ating drama coming up.

BBC drama had a better time of it.

wizzywick

17-01-2016

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“I think there always has to be a bit of context with these arguments. I don't disagree all those shows were hits and very popular but at their peaks were inhabiting a 4 channel era where big audiences were virtually guaranteed. Variety, which effectively fed a stream of stars to the small screen for decades is practically dead. The strand that produced Game For a Laugh and subsequently Beadles About/You've Been Framed etc has been done to death over and over. The mutated Stars in Their Eyes died on its rear last year, a lot of ITV's rather desperate quiz show remakes have struggled to hold their own and films are now like yesterdays newspapers as far as impact on terrestrial tv is concerned. American drama series just don't work on the big two anymore.
I reckon if you were to premiere most of those shows mentioned now they would struggle in todays environment-like a lot of new ideas have done over the last ten years. Its many times harder now than it was and some of what was popular then has been overexposed making it a non starter now.
I must admit, where shiny floor entertainment is concerned I don't where you look beyond talent and celeb formats-and even they are starting to show their age now.”

Of course, you raise some excellent points, and indeed, the TV landscape has changed beyond recognition compared to 20 years ago. But, rather than emphasise on the programming (and I agree, most of what I listed would struggle today), I tried to point out the differences in being successful with attracting an audience - and maintaining that audience back then compared to now. I think it is quite worrying that programme commissioners have little idea as to what works and the failure to be able to construct worthy programmes around worthy schedules.

Perhaps there simply are too many channels provided by each broadcaster and one has to consider that when it comes to our mainstream channels, whether less really is more.

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