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Old 01-11-2015, 17:10
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Dire for X Factor. Deserved after last week's shambles. Not caught up on the show yet and to be honest don't know if I can be bothered. Once upon a time I would have welcomed long editions of the show to keep me entertained, now they're just a chore.

Cold Feet return confirmed by Fay Ripley. New series for 2016.

Let's hope this return is not a complete waste of time. Next year's schedule for Autumn


6.30pm The X Factor
8pm Cold Feet
9pm Victoria
Sorry if it's already been pointed out but Cold Feet was a post-watershed show. I also doubt it would air on a Saturday.
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Old 01-11-2015, 17:15
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Yes, I'm rather confused - do ITV not now own Talpa, the rights holders of The Voice worldwide, outright? Or am I misunderstanding? As far as I was aware, Wall to Wall produce it in the UK but that's where their claim to it ends. So why won't ITV simply take it for themselves as surely their overall strategy would pay more dividends than whatever the BBC could pay them for it?
But, as Steve Williams alludes to every time this topic comes up, it's not good for ITV to buy production companies and stockpile their best shows for themselves. Other broadcasters would just become very nervous with working alongside ITV in case the show is a hit and ITV re-claim it as their own.

2015 TVUK live shows' overnights
21/03 - 7.04m (32.8%)
28/03 - 6.30m (30.2%)
04/04 - 6.31m (31.6%)

2015 TXF live shows' overnights
31/10 - 5.63m (28.6%) inc +1
Plus The Voice UK will not have the same kind of lead in on ITV as it gets on BBC One and there will be some bad taste around the show; especially as ITV have made such a racket about the BBC airing it. People will put two and two together and make four if the BBC drop it and it's picked up from ITV. The feelgood factor around the show won't be there - not to the same extent anyway.

The X Factor this year had seven audition episodes, two boot camp shows, three Six Chair Challenge episodes and will have fourteen lives (seven performance, seven results), making 26 episodes overall - though last year there were 32. The Voice UK in the winter had seven blind auditions, two battle rounds, two knockout rounds and three live shows, making 14 shows in total. So they need to at least double The Voice UK episode count to make it work.

The Voice US, season eight, had a 28 episode last season though this contained two recap shows and only four audition shows. I'm sure ITV will happily rectify that. However this season did also contain 15 live shows (8 performances, 7 results). Considering The Voice's decline over here at the live show stage would ITV take that risk?
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Old 01-11-2015, 17:20
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Yes, I'm rather confused - do ITV not now own Talpa, the rights holders of The Voice worldwide, outright? Or am I misunderstanding? As far as I was aware, Wall to Wall produce it in the UK but that's where their claim to it ends. So why won't ITV simply take it for themselves as surely their overall strategy would pay more dividends than whatever the BBC could pay them for it?
There is apparently some issue that Talpa prefer the BBC to have the contract and Im sure I read that its been left to them to actually make the final choice even though ITV actually bought them. I think

However given ITV's apparently Whittingdaleesque submission to the charter renewal process you wouldn't believe in a million years that the BBC will end up with it. This whole ongoing episode is bizarre to me.

EDIT:Fudd/S Williams make very good points as ever-but it serves to make the decision even more awkward and curious imo.
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Old 01-11-2015, 17:27
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How many 3m50s ad breaks top 5m with live viewing in a typical week on commercial TV and how many of those skew young?

XFactor will still be on ITV next year.
The young think it is for old people now.
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Old 01-11-2015, 17:38
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They tried that in the past (they changed very little in 2012 despite falling ratings in 2011 and they lost 20% of the audience).
Wouldn't that be a reaction to the 2011 changes, though? People who didn't like the changes to X Factor in 2011 deciding not to bother in 2012. Or something.
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Old 01-11-2015, 17:40
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There is apparently some issue that Talpa prefer the BBC to have the contract and Im sure I read that its been left to them to actually make the final choice even though ITV actually bought them. I think

However given ITV's apparently Whittingdaleesque submission to the charter renewal process you wouldn't believe in a million years that the BBC will end up with it. This whole ongoing episode is bizarre to me.
To be honest I think The Voice's arrival has helped drag The X Factor down, just as it has helped to finish off American Idol in the United States. I think both of the latter would have seen a natural decline due to old age but it would have been more gradual had it not been for the new boy on the block. I think ITV realised this, hence they hastily stopped Rising Star in it's tracks - another singing show on top of the rest could have finished The X Factor off completely... not that's it far away from that as it is.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:01
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How many 3m50s ad breaks top 5m with live viewing in a typical week on commercial TV and how many of those skew young?

XFactor will still be on ITV next year.
Possibly its last series, as I doubt ITV would be willing to spend £ 50 million a year on a show that could end up rating like a game show that costs a tenth of this to show each year. £ 50 million is serious moolah, the same ITV used to spend on European football until they lost the rights, or the same as ten dramas, or ten years of The Chase episodes. It won't make sense for Fincham to commit to such a huge contract if TXF ends up rating like Celebrity Chase, which costs peanuts in comparison.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:10
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How "mutual" is the dislike though? Does Simon sit at home weekly and read through all his articles and then weekly comment on them if they're rubbish or have flopped?
No but I bet he hates the fact Brookstein is being factual.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:12
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No but I bet he hates the fact Brookstein is being factual.
Brookstein is being butthurt, and has been for the last 11 years, everything he says is spun so won't faze Simon one bit.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:24
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Brookstein is being butthurt, and has been for the last 11 years, everything he says is spun so won't faze Simon one bit.
Ironically he was the winner of the first series when ratings were similar to now and the show was seen as merely the replacement for Pop Idol. However, he is a bitter little twit and probably is angry he never made it as a top singer and cashed in on the reality show boom that started after he won, so I agree with you,
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:35
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Brookstein is being butthurt, and has been for the last 11 years, everything he says is spun so won't faze Simon one bit.
That's a pretty big claim considering some of the stuff Brookstein has accused Cowell of. I'm sure Simon would be delighted to see all the evidence you have to back up the claim Steve is exaggerating events, might persuade our Si to stop mysteriously shying away from persuing legal action.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:46
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That's a pretty big claim considering some of the stuff Brookstein has accused Cowell of. I'm sure Simon would be delighted to see all the evidence you have to back up the claim Steve is exaggerating events, might persuade our Si to stop mysteriously shying away from persuing legal action.
To be honest of Steve Brookstein mouthing off was taken seriously it would have hurt the show long before now. Maybe people are more willing to believe it now as their seeing through the veneer but that's about it.
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:54
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That's a pretty big claim considering some of the stuff Brookstein has accused Cowell of. I'm sure Simon would be delighted to see all the evidence you have to back up the claim Steve is exaggerating events, might persuade our Si to stop mysteriously shying away from persuing legal action.
What's that? Something about Sinitta and some other Simon hanger on in Steve's dressing room?
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Old 01-11-2015, 18:54
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The young think it is for old people now.
this is a probelm for any show in its 12 series, the youth it started with are all grown up, ad the new youth may well see it as too part of the furniture, and for their much older siblings, or their parents when they are trying to be hip. Of course the bigger issue is are the youth X-Factor now wants even watching TV? or are they watching Vloggers and kids shows on Netflix / Amazon prime, I would be willing too bet alot of them dont watch anything either live or via an ariel, evne if they are watching BBC, ITV etc, they are watching it via iPlayer of the ITV Player, and similar devices.

You can hear from his show, Nick Grimshow wants to be a You Tuber, and often interviews You Tubers on it. Rita Ora is also a questionable judge, looking at her career, she has only ever put out 1 album, I dont really see her as a music inside like Louis, or even a Gary Barlow.
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Old 01-11-2015, 19:38
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Demos in early weeks showed that X Factor had maintained its young skew; it would be interesting to see what the figures were like for last night.
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Old 01-11-2015, 19:42
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Click, in 2009 most people at work would enthusiastically talk about it and I was watching it near the end to see what was happening and contributed to the ratings monster for the final. Since 2010 XF talk has declined iatwork, since 2012 the talk has been more of the programme has had its day and only a handful of people still watch it. A decline of 50 per cent in five years obviously has an effect on what people talk about, although I could say DW, which has seen a fair sized decline, doesn't have the same enthusiasm it had in the Tennant era, when plenty of casual fans were watching.
Also soaps seem to be mentioned far less often as well, with only a few brief Corrie chats from a few women at work and hardly any mention of EE, which proves this has fallen from grace in the last ten years. As for sports, football appeals to about half of the men in the office and two women, the RUWC seemed to fizzle out of conversations once England went out, and F1 stopped being mentioned once Hamilton won the title.
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Old 01-11-2015, 19:46
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Demos in early weeks showed that X Factor had maintained its young skew; it would be interesting to see what the figures were like for last night.
It'd be interesting to see the skew for last week's Sunday show, as well, to see where the audience was lost from the previous week. Is it a balanced loss across the board or did they lose more of one demo than another?
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:01
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Under 4 million for Dr Who overnights.
Is that a record low in overnight figures for Dr Who...or has it been lower?
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:07
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It'd be interesting to see the skew for last week's Sunday show, as well, to see where the audience was lost from the previous week. Is it a balanced loss across the board or did they lose more of one demo than another?
The young depends on age as The X Factor still trends on Twitter to this day, But the general audience has dropped a lot.
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:08
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Under 4 million for Dr Who overnights.
Is that a record low in overnight figures for Dr Who...or has it been lower?
Think I'm right in saying episodes 2 and 3 were lower, both against big England rugby WC games. Episode 2's 28 day consolidated figure ended up as 6.1m and don't think we've had the final figure for episode 3 yet? If that's wrong, sure someone will correct me!
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:13
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Think I'm right in saying episodes 2 and 3 were lower, both against big England rugby WC games. Episode 2's 28 day consolidated figure ended up as 6.1m and don't think we've had the final figure for episode 3 yet? If that's wrong, sure someone will correct me!
Whatever the consolidated it must be worrying that people arent committed enough or excited enough to watch it live. They do make the effort for other shows .
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:18
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Double eviction on X Factor tonight was announced so probably wont affect ratings but Sundays usually rate a bit higher so tonight should be about 6 million
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:20
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First time half-watching X Factor this year, did the presenters really say "I love that new One Direction song" after the group performance? Dear. Oh. Dear. Amazing it even has 5m viewers left!
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:20
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Think I'm right in saying episodes 2 and 3 were lower, both against big England rugby WC games. Episode 2's 28 day consolidated figure ended up as 6.1m and don't think we've had the final figure for episode 3 yet? If that's wrong, sure someone will correct me!
You are correct. Only the two episodes opposite the rugby rated lower for Doctor Who this series.
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Old 01-11-2015, 20:20
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To be honest I think The Voice's arrival has helped drag The X Factor down, just as it has helped to finish off American Idol in the United States. I think both of the latter would have seen a natural decline due to old age but it would have been more gradual had it not been for the new boy on the block. I think ITV realised this, hence they hastily stopped Rising Star in it's tracks - another singing show on top of the rest could have finished The X Factor off completely... not that's it far away from that as it is.
I do think I TV missed a trick by not producing Rising Star though, it could have taken off (its huge in it's home market) and it would have been a damn sight better than what they did air in January and may have led to a decent rater (OK so the stars in their eyes was a decent revival on paper, it's was god awful in execution)
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