No it isn't. ED It's usually only a bit above 5m with EE over 4.5m.

The percentage share for EE is around 1% lower than normal for a clash, so I don't know why the figure is so low. However EE should be trying harder and giving the viewers a reason to tune in. Substandard scripts and stories that retread the same thing with the same characters are pulling it apart.

Not good enough, EE is traditionally a much bigger soap than Emmerdale. However, these soap clashes are the ultimate in lazy scheduling and could damage both soaps permanently.

All the negative comments about ee as usual when it clashes with ed. outside of the clashes it performs well ok not too the figures of cs but cs has had its problems since the rugby re scheduling it is performing lower than usual.

If these clashes weren't happening would there be the fuel for all this negativity and bashing no. Because if these clashes weren't happening the ratings would probably be higher in general.

But something needs to be done as in the long term it's only going to hurt ee.

It's because everyone watching Emmerdale on bonfire night is an OAP iirc

So many ways to look at EE as indicated by the varying posts.

Worth remembering that in the soap heyday EE was regularly 6 million viewers ahead of Emmerdale so the general soap crash has hit EE much harder given that they are now more or less level pegging. Live week was brilliant game changing tv imo ending emotionally- although the way the storyline with Bobby played out arguably made it more difficult to follow up. However I don't agree that all the storylines currently are a turn off-as ever there is a mix and some are more watchable than others (accepting imo that there is far too little light relief). What is clear though is that EE is not able to assert itself in the ED clashes and it obviously suits ITV to keep grinding away at EE whilst keeping Coronation Street with a free a run as possible through the year.

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think for a minute that EE is under any threat but its obviously not healthy for the show to have the equivalent of someone sticking pins into your leg at frequent intervals. It would be interesting to see if EE was rescheduled whether ITV would then manufacture more clashes.

That very true but it seems itv wants to damage emmerdale but not corrie.

Last comparable Thursday clash was on 1 October (figures exc/inc first repeat):

19:00 - Emmerdale (1 hr): 5.56m (28.9%) / 5.80m (30.2%)
* during clash: 5.31m (26.1%) exc +1
19:30 - EastEnders: 4.59m (22.5%) / 5.18m

Compared with last night:

19:00 - Emmerdale (1 hr): 5.75m (28.7%) / 5.90m (29.4%)
* during clash: unknown
19:30 - EastEnders: 4.35m (21.0%) / 4.97m

Total TV audience up +0.8m in the 7pm hour and up +0.3m in the 7.30-8pm half-hour compared with 1 October.

So with more viewers around, EastEnders' -1.5-point share drop equated to a -0.24m fall rather than a -0.31m fall, had the total TV audience remained the same. Emmerdale up in viewers despite also being down in share (fractionally on the exc +1 measure).

The +1 fell about 100k, while EastEnders' BBC repeat rose slightly and posted around 600k both nights.

Worth noting sunset times (West Cornwall):

1 October - 7.00pm BST
5 November - 4.51pm GMT

No it wasn't. Nothing came of it.

I meant the event itself, the presentation, live inserts and the live finale. Nothing like it before in soap history. Certainly made me ensure I was in front of the tv all week.

Hasnt it lost its two champions also,Ben Stephenson and Danny Cohen always supported it.Cannot see anyone there now much bothered.

Well if that's true things are worse than I thought!

Charlotte Moore stated that the good health of EastEnders was crucial to the BBC when she became the BBC boss.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...making-2214798

Maybe the BBC in the longer term, and with the government wanting it to be more distinctive or face commercialisation, could axe EE. It's clear now it's in a worse position than the ITV soaps and if it was to go, the BBC have fewer slots to fill than ITV. Also plenty of nice real estate to see at Elstree if EE goes for the BBC to invest back into more upmarket programmes the government expects it to make.
The main reason the BBC did decide to go ahead with a weekly soap in the eighties, when previously they'd been very half hearted and had a real flop with Triangle, was to compete more effectively with ITV and they'd seen how popular American soaps were on BBC One at the time. On Tuesdays BBC One was weak and on Thursdays the popular TOTP could be moved forward with an EE lead in to keep people tuned to the station.

Extreme Railways hit a series high with +1 with 1.5m, Channel 5 are doing well with 1m+ at 9pm for three days straight and almost 1m at 8pm. i

EE fulfils the social remit, within the soap it educates and covers difficult subjects, it is distinct and is going no where. The overreaction here on the thread when there is a clash is knee jerk, people catch up on Three and online.

Economies of scale mean each episode is cheap to make against other drama, and it's a habit forming commitment to viewers.

ITV do better to stop poaching everything from the bbc and get their own ideas. They steal their shows, presenters ffs.

ITV do own The Voice you know.

Eloquent post. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Where does EE go from here?

ED not exactly in the lead by much.... only losers are the viewers IMO. Why is there a rule for EE and Corrie but not Emmerdale???

Steven Moffat can "confirm absolutely" that there will be a full series of Doctor Who next year
The showrunner denies tabloid reports that series 10 of the BBC sci-fi hit will be a reduced run of episodes

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...-who-next-year

Steven Moffat has strongly denied tabloid reports that Doctor Who will run next year with a reduced number of episodes.
The denial comes in response to a newspaper story which alleges that next year's series of the BBC1 sci-fi show will be halved so that lead actor Peter Capaldi can turn director on other projects – including a film based on his time in Glasgow punk band The Dreamboys and two episodes of US sitcom Veep. However, speaking to RadioTimes.com, Moffat said that the story was "bunk," and that he could "confirm absolutely" that he is not making fewer episodes.
"We’re making a full series. I can confirm that," said Moffat. "I’m making a full series of 12 episodes, plus a Christmas special. I don’t know when it goes out. That’s up to someone else. And even if I did know – which I genuinely don’t – I wouldn’t be allowed to say so as I have absolutely no say in it whatsoever.

Moffat is not the only one denying the claims, though, with Capaldi himself also having responded to a question about the possibility of a shorter series by confirming "That's not what I've been told... that's not what I'm contracted for."

LOL at the idea of Cohen championing EastEnders! Under his watch, the BBC Three repeat was shunted to 10.30pm, the ominibus was shunted to midnight, and the BBC One screenings were shunted for Olympic swimming and athletics, and even for Voice!

Almost a million ahead when HD is included. Emmerdale's HD component was 16% (exc +1).

I don't think there is any such formal agreement about Corrie and EE not clashing. It actually happened during last year's World Cup for instance. It just seems to suit both parties not to have them clash more often.

I much as everyone appreciates the data you post Dancc, I'm sure posting the exc HD rating is worth it after reading the thread today.

Emmerdale added 0.92m on HD taking it to 5.75m exc +1. Proving the clashes aren't really taking their toll at all and last nights rating beats pretty much of all the other hour long episodes Emmerdale has shown recently. If anything, I'd say Emmerdale's resilience makes it the stand out rating out of the big three last night. It pushed EE to a poor 4.4m and Corrie was hardly ahead of it on 6.2m.

No question EE is the bigger 2nd soap, albeit clashes (although the gap is much narrower now) as much as ED fans would like to tell you different. I am not sticking up EE, no longer watch and don't give a stuff and probably will never watch again. I agree the figures are not good enough, however going back through the years when there has been a clash between the two 9/10 ED has won and in the past EE has gone to as low as 3.5 million, so we are quite away from that.

As for the clashes damaging both soaps permanently, I sincerely hope it does! We could do with less soap on UK tv, although the thought of being left with the awful Coronation Street is not good either.