Yes. That's how it works. Unless the Zygons have enhanced their tech since 1975.

I stand ready to angrily denounce what is said to be "the best DW story in years" should it trample even an inch on Terror continuity! I also demand lazy scottish stereotypes.

Ha ha yes I recently watched that,some of the accents were terrible,the thing is the landlord at least was Scottish as I've seen him in other things,but it almost seemed like the directors told him his accent didn't sound proper Scottish so he should change it.

But the whole point of the way she dresses is that she is an in-universe fan of the doctor, as dedicated as any rel world fan, and likely more so, because in her world, she knows she is emulating and idolising a real person.

It's really fanwanky though.

Quite, in fact it is real people that set fashion trends, mainly rock/pop stars such as Elvis, The Beatles, T-Rex, Sex Pistols, The Human League, Duran Duran etc.
The fact that her in-universe shouldn't even come into the equation of what is real or fiction from our POV.
I'm sure there are people out there that looked up to Steve Jobs and bought nothing but polo-necked jumpers.

I was working in White City area before the BBC moved out of TV centre. Lots of polo-necks. Lots and lots. Maybe they were Yentob cosplayers though?

I don't mind the Osgood thing. Non-fans can ignore it or not notice it. I'm just waiting for a Full Pertwee from Osgood - lots of frills, bouffant hair, velvet galore. Seems only right, given that he's the main UNIT one. Yes - Osgood in a big white wig, frills everywhere, parking up to UNIT HQ in her yellow roadster. Fanwanky enough for everyone?

One thing would make it even more so...ie if Osgood said to the Doctor "My father once worked with you back in the 70s, or was it the 80s?? He always got a bit confused about that"

The Daily Wail will probably complain about the show getting too political

Wasn't Lucie Miller's Auntie Pat dead when "Trevor" took over her body?

(The Zygon Who Fell to Earth, EDA - now canon after Night of the Doctor).

Oh yes. I hope they explained this shocking discrepancy at length in the script? I bet they didn't. Sloppy sloppy sloppy.

OK - I'll write an angry letter to the Fell to Earth author instead.

Well, this episode seems to have potential in its synopsis... but then I see the writer is Peter 'the Moon is an egg' Harness. Now, I know I shouldn't pre-judge and I acknowledge it's poor form on my part... but when I see the Radio Times proclaim it as 'the best - and most political - Doctor Who story in years' I instantly become extremely wary, not merely because it's such a lofty claim but because Harness wrote one of Doctor Who's most egregious ever cop outs last season in 'Kill the Moon'. And when I say 'egg-regious cop-outs' I'm not merely punning, I'm deadly serious.

Harness wimped out, well and truly. He moralized and then spun his fictional scenario to justify his morality. That sort of dogmatic approach to a serious theme does not bode well. I do not trust this man to write a fantastic 'political' story. What I expect is a sermon with events contrived to demonstrate the rightness of his point of view. It has the potential to be even worse than 'The Happiness Patrol'.

I hope, of course, to be proven wrong. But... look, anyone can write a bad script. But Harness' script was not just badly executed, it was misguided writing. Moralistic, not thoughtful. Whimsical and yet with pretensions of being serious drama. All kinds of things which upset my sensibilities. I don't think the man who wrote that episode can write anything I will find thought-provoking. He's one of only two Doctor Who writers who have offended me with their ill-judged writing (can you guess the other one? Regular episode thread readers will know who it is )

This is honestly the first Doctor Who episode in years I think that I actively do not want to watch.

(I'm also irritated Osgood is back (I don't think that's a spoiler; it's been highly publicized). I know she's probably a Zygon but I was in a minority of people not impressed by this fan service type character and I'm not terribly impressed by the fan service act of bringing a version of her back either)

Writers don't just write in one style, or on one theme. You've seen just one story that Harness has scripted and have totally written off anything else he might do. Isn't that rather harsh?

I'd much rather watch the forthcoming episodes and then judge the quality of the writing. Seems fairer to me.

They don't change their sensibility. I assume he thought his last script was good. Maybe he didn't but naturally I assume it. If he thought that was good writing then I won't like anything he does. Trust me. Like I said, anyone can write a bad script... but I have a VERY different idea about what is good drama than the man who wrote that cop out.

'The moon was an egg'... and that wasn't even the worst thing about the episode! Wow.

But yes, it is harsh. I can be harsh man sometimes.

fair enough!

I thought of the Doctor as a Zygon duplicate because he was so ready to hug Clara in the previous Viking episode. But I could still be wrong.

They're probably more concerned about the violence in Jekyll & Hyde on Sunday. Funny how they missed all the blood and gore in the Rugby match earlier on in the day. Makes you think...

Fingers crossed hes been a Zygon all season and they got confused between Eleven and Twelve. That way we can return to the interesting and captivating Capaldi of last season and drop the clowning,.

That's the best thing about Doctor Who fans,. Theyre so open minded...

Yeah, open minded to things like a female Doctor...


*runs away*

Theres open minded and then theres downright sacriligeous

Or, you know, part of Osgood's characterisation. But please, feel free to be pretentiously dismissive!

I really do hate that word - it's become a go-to, for when there is no real argument left.

Oh, I must have missed the part where the 8th Doctor reeled out all of the adventures he's had with his companions... I thought he merely mentioned their names, and absolutely nothing else about them!

Probably best not to read the "Clara,Amy or rose" [sic] thread then!

He didn't specifically say that the Auntie Pat stuff never happened, so I'll assume it did.

Just because mcgann name checked a few people, doesn't automatically make all of the audio stuff canon. It's fine if you want to consider it that way yourself, but please don't state it as fact, because it is an entirely opinion based thing.