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I feel sorry that Katie has got Anton
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Jennyloo
25-10-2015
Once again his choreography was rubbish last night. In the Cha Cha Cha the other week I thought she did the best one I've seen for a celeb. Not her fault she didnt get the steps. Last night she flung herself into the dance and it seemed to me that Anton was having trouble catching up.
I think hes past his best now. I thought it was difficult to tell who was the professional. The judges shouldn't blame her. Sorry Anton you should stick to the all-so-rans..
BMLisa
25-10-2015
they have help to choreograph Salsa.

That's two party Latins she hadn't been great in and in one of them it's likely Anton didn't choreograph.

It does just appear that she isn't as good at Latin.
CravenHaven
25-10-2015
She outdances Anton in Latin. Ahem.
Is there a capital L in latin dancing, I wonder? Judicare habet nasum: scio, non nego. Sed iam. Nil praeter nasum Judicare habet.
(I feel the CANE coming on for 'abuse of the dictionary')
csiaddict71
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“they have help to choreograph Salsa.

That's two party Latina she hadn't been great in and in one of them it's likely Anton didn't choreograph.

It does just appear that she isn't as good at Latin.”

Fully agree! For many people on this forum, Anton is responsible for all the ills in the world. To me, it seemed he was actually trying to cover up some of her faults last night. I just think she is too prim & proper for Latin, she's just not teeth & t*ts enough. Nothing wrong with that, but for the love of God, stop blaming everything on Anton people, and open your eyes to her clear weaknesses!
humdrummer
25-10-2015
I really know next to nothing about dancing so can only give my opinion based upon what I saw.

I thought he wasn't a very supportive partner. In comparison to some of the other men, who I swear could even make me look good on the dance floor, I felt he left her hanging.

He seemed as lost and confused as she did at times and the lifts were terrible!

The judges have complimented some of the other pro's for playing to their partners strengths, for being supportive and presenting the celeb in the best possible light.
Anton has not done that, at all.

I've actually liked him in previous years, like an annoying jokey uncle who you would really miss if he wasn't around any longer. He's now becoming just annoying.
puddytat
25-10-2015
I thoroughly enjoyed Katie and Anton's salsa last night, don't think they deserved the nasty remarks they got.
houdi
25-10-2015
Katie has got Anton? How did this happen? Has she been visiting a Third World country and shouldn't she have been quarantined?
Flora_McDonald
25-10-2015
Hi peeps, apologies for leaping in without an intro. I don't post a great deal, but felt I'd like to contribute to this thread.. The professionals get help with the choreography of certain dances, but the basic steps and techniques have to be taught by the professional dance partners first. Since Anton himself is unable to do the basic steps, it stands to reason that he can neither demonstrate how they should look, nor explain the basics of how to achieve the movements. I thought Anton's dancing was worse than his partner's this week. He really needs to up his game, because he just makes a joke of the Latin dances and a fool out of most of his partners.
Scorpio2
25-10-2015
This thread is a bit unfair Anton is a master at Ballroom and just because he's weak at Latin doesn't mean that he's a bad dancer.

I'm not a fan of Latin myself Ballroom and the Waltz are much better.
Geeny
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“Once again his choreography was rubbish last night. In the Cha Cha Cha the other week I thought she did the best one I've seen for a celeb. Not her fault she didnt get the steps. Last night she flung herself into the dance and it seemed to me that Anton was having trouble catching up.
I think hes past his best now. I thought it was difficult to tell who was the professional. The judges shouldn't blame her. Sorry Anton you should stick to the all-so-rans..”

Rubbish
She would just be the same with any other pro
poshnosh
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“they have help to choreograph Salsa.

That's two party Latins she hadn't been great in and in one of them it's likely Anton didn't choreograph.

It does just appear that she isn't as good at Latin.”

Saw on another thread that when dancing with Zoe, Ian Waite spent 2 days teaching her basic salsa technique.

I think there is little doubt as to Anton's ability to teach ballroom, but wonder whether he has the same ability to each latin. It is obvious that Katie does not feel inhibited in Latin dances ( many celebs are) and with a bit of proper training could well be very good at Latin. With Anton we will probably never know.

She is still very, very watchable.
Monkseal
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“Saw on another thread that when dancing with Zoe, Ian Waite spent 2 days teaching her basic salsa technique..”

Would have been an odd thing to do, given that they never danced it.
Tissy
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“Hi peeps, apologies for leaping in without an intro. I don't post a great deal, but felt I'd like to contribute to this thread.. The professionals get help with the choreography of certain dances, but the basic steps and techniques have to be taught by the professional dance partners first. Since Anton himself is unable to do the basic steps, it stands to reason that he can neither demonstrate how they should look, nor explain the basics of how to achieve the movements. I thought Anton's dancing was worse than his partner's this week. He really needs to up his game, because he just makes a joke of the Latin dances and a fool out of most of his partners.”

Dislike the way he treats Latin dances with such contempt just because he favours ballroom.
missfrankiecat
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“Saw on another thread that when dancing with Zoe, Ian Waite spent 2 days teaching her basic salsa technique.

I think there is little doubt as to Anton's ability to teach ballroom, but wonder whether he has the same ability to each latin. It is obvious that Katie does not feel inhibited in Latin dances ( many celebs are) and with a bit of proper training could well be very good at Latin. With Anton we will probably never know.

She is still very, very watchable.”

Zoe and Ian never even danced salsa (it wasn't introduced until the following series). Ian Waite was no more a trained salsa dancer than Anton is. It isn't a Dancepro 10 dance. Only Janette is a trained salsa specialist.
water_carrier
25-10-2015
If Anton wants to win this competition he and his partner need to demonstrate they are proficient in both Ballroom and Latin. No one can doubt his ability to choreograph wonderful ballroom routines, last weeks Viennese Waltz was a shining example of that but once too often now he has shown his Latin choeography is lacking.
Reading through everyone's comments and viewing their dance last night I think it may be a combination of Anton's teaching and Katie's actual ability. I can't help thinking that she can offer alot more but if she can't then he should be choreographing routines which mask the flaws or at least concentrate on the areas she can do well rather than exposing what she cannot do.
I've commented before that I really dislike his over exaggeration of Latin. He appears to really 'ham' it up which gives every routine a comedic value.
I find it difficult to understand why he cannot teach choreography very well. As a pro dancer I would ahve thought that he needed to do both discipines in competition. Speaking to my lovely friend last night, after watching their routine, she reminded me that Anton's previous partner Erin often choreographed very good routines for her celeb partners. Is it just Anton that is struggling here? Does he just not have the ability to teach it?
If so then why can't he call on the help of Kristina, Ola or even Ian Waite to help him put something together? I'm sure this wouldn't be against the rules.

I really think he has no chance of winning SCD now.
SweetAngelx
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Dislike the way he treats Latin dances with such contempt just because he favours ballroom.”

I like Anton but concede that's unprofessional.
But I didn't think the dance was the travesty that some people do.
RachelBlackburn
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“I feel sorry that Katie has got Anton.”

But does she? I bet she doesn't...
houdi
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by RachelBlackburn:
“But does she? I bet she doesn't...”

How much?
Bobby'sgirl
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by csiaddict71:
“Fully agree! For many people on this forum, Anton is responsible for all the ills in the world. To me, it seemed he was actually trying to cover up some of her faults last night. I just think she is too prim & proper for Latin, she's just not teeth & t*ts enough. Nothing wrong with that, but for the love of God, stop blaming everything on Anton people, and open your eyes to her clear weaknesses!”

Hear Hear

At last someone sees sense in all this.
komentaightor
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“She outdances Anton in Latin. Ahem.
Is there a capital L in latin dancing, I wonder? Judicare habet nasum: scio, non nego. Sed iam. Nil praeter nasum Judicare habet.
(I feel the CANE coming on for 'abuse of the dictionary')”

Caesar adsum iam forte,
Brutus aderat.
Caesar sic in omnibus,
Brutus sic in at.
firefly_irl
26-10-2015
His Cha Cha was poor but last night it was just that she isn't a Latin dancer, its not all his fault, she isn't the type of woman to really dance dirty which is what is required for a great Latin, she's too proper.
BruciesChin
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Dislike the way he treats Latin dances with such contempt just because he favours ballroom.”

This is a justified criticism.
Michelle_OHara
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by BruciesChin:
“This is a justified criticism.”

Not it isn't. There is no evidence at all that he treats Latin with contempt. Not being as good at it as ballroom isn't evidence. He dances the Latin pro-dances well enough and the routine on Saturday was fine, it was just not very well danced on the night. Why do people have to latch on to some idea that they get and run with it beyond all proof and reason?
trio1
26-10-2015
I honestly just didn't think she was that good. She fluffed the lifts and looked very flustered at times. And its true that she had no concept of grinding into the floor. Even with that move where she was meant to be shimmying down Antons body she only bobbed about at waist level.

I'm not sure at all she'd be any better with anyone else. She just can't get down low enough to the ground and she's too self-contained in manner.
holly berry
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Michelle_OHara:
“Not it isn't. There is no evidence at all that he treats Latin with contempt. Not being as good at it as ballroom isn't evidence. He dances the Latin pro-dances well enough and the routine on Saturday was fine, it was just not very well danced on the night. Why do people have to latch on to some idea that they get and run with it beyond all proof and reason?”

Contempt might be over-stating it but the way in which he spoke about how he intended to choreo this week's paso in the Claudiatorium on the Saturday show suggested that he didn't take it too seriously.
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