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Interesting dynamic with Jay and Aliona.
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daziechain
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“It seems that some folks must lead sterile, unresponsive lives devoid of emotion, artistic creativity, empathy or humanity.”

Yes! ^ This!
Heatherbell
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“It seems that some folks must lead sterile, unresponsive lives devoid of emotion, artistic creativity, empathy or humanity.”

Then that must describe pretty much all the other pros, since none of them feel it necessary to cling onto their allotted celebs and treat them as aliona does jay .
shrinkingviolet
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat:
“It seems that some folks must lead sterile, unresponsive lives devoid of emotion, artistic creativity, empathy or humanity.”

Sadly. People who can only relate to people who act like them and spend time looking for reasons to criticise people who act differently are missing out on a lot.
edy10
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“You're going to have to spell it out to me because I don't see anything in how she related to Matt Baker that approximates to the intense eye contact and non verbal interaction between her and Jay, much less the Mirror's photos. The body language between Matt and her was warm, affectionate but entirely unsexual.
The Youtube vid is interesting though. I'd forgotten how good Matt Baker was - way better than Harry Judd - and how annoying some of Aliona's choreography for him was. I guess maybe no one could have topped the Kartem showmance that year but it was a shame.”

BIB I totally agree. Matt was so good....and a better dancer than Harry; any other year he would have won but not against Kartem.

I want to say he wuzrobbed but then again I also wanted Kartem to win.
annemarie1066
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“Sadly. People who can only relate to people who act like them and spend time looking for reasons to criticise people who act differently are missing out on a lot.”

It is the same few people on rinse and repeat mode. I guess if you can't criticise Jays dancing then you have to scrape the barrel
kittymd
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“If you want to understand Jay and Aliona, watch this from 4 minutes on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoD8wkiNhFM”

Spurred on after watching this, I dug up this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=492yxuUgek0


The contrast with Jay is striking.....
stevieco
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by kittymd:
“Spurred on after watching this, I dug up this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=492yxuUgek0


The contrast with Jay is striking.....”

Really. In what way
annemarie1066
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by stevieco:
“Really. In what way”

Well as Craig said it was filth and he loved it. Shows what a great actress Aliona is whoever she partners
kittymd
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by stevieco:
“Really. In what way”

She is uber professional with Matt and Harry. Friendly and lovely but there is no sense of real intimacy.

When they stand together or sit together, the body language is warm but not overly tactile.

With Jay it is as if they have a gravitational pull to one another. Before tonight they would stroke each other, he buried his head in her neck. All very intimate gestures.

I like them both enormously and I want him to win.

Feel free to disagree. I am just very interested in how they are together. I think they really like each other and am interested in how body language shows / leaks this.
daziechain
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by kittymd:
“She is uber professional with Matt and Harry. Friendly and lovely but there is no sense of real intimacy.

When they stand together or sit together, the body language is warm but not overly tactile.

With Jay it is as if they have a gravitational pull to one another. Before tonight they would stroke each other, he buried his head in her neck. All very intimate gestures.

I like them both enormously and I want him to win.

Feel free to disagree. I am just very interested in how they are together. I think they really like each other and am interested in how body language shows / leaks this.”

Last week we saw him bury his head in Helen's neck and Carol's I think it was .. when they showed some backstage footage. I think it is just his way .. he's very affectionate. That's prob why he said tonight that he'd miss Ainsley's hugs.

Wish I could get me a Jay hug
stevieco
25-10-2015
Yes it was with Carol and Helen. He's just a lovely affectionate young man.
edy10
25-10-2015
It takes two needs to have Pamela on the Friday's panel ( like they invited in the past to talk about the " psychology/chemistry behind the couples ) this week so she can give us her verdict on this pair ...maybe we'll finally get to the bottom of things






Lol I actually cracked myself up writing that
quique
25-10-2015
Originally Posted by lexeme:
“I hate this 'support' bilge people are spouting, he's a grown ass man who's been in a tough industry for many years. He's not some shrinking violet.

There's a reason their chemistry has got so many people talking, it's out of the ordinary and in stark contrast to every other couple on the show.

Anita has described her relationship with Gleb as intense and firey which does sound like a precursor for lust (i.e. Kara and Artem) and yet no one is talking about them because their behaviour is nothing out of the ordinary for Stricty couples.

To quote the old proverb, there's no smoke without fire. (Not that I believe anything untoward has actually gone on as of yet).”

This.

(And thank you. My thoughts exactly.)
coppertop1
26-10-2015
This evening I held 2 people's hands, I closed another's eyes for the last time, I stroked another's hair and sat in silence whilst someone gathered their tears together so they could go and cuddle someone that meant the world to them as they got up they put their head right into my neck to gather their strength to do that important thing.
Actually whilst with them I looked right at them, listened intently and made them feel they had been listened to and they were the most important person in that room.

Do you think someone ought to tell my husband ?

You know that sort of chemistry with another is worthy of comment and speculation. There is after all no smoke without fire.
Heatherbell
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by kittymd:
“She is uber professional with Matt and Harry. Friendly and lovely but there is no sense of real intimacy.

When they stand together or sit together, the body language is warm but not overly tactile.

With Jay it is as if they have a gravitational pull to one another. Before tonight they would stroke each other, he buried his head in her neck. All very intimate gestures.

I like them both enormously and I want him to win.

Feel free to disagree. I am just very interested in how they are together. I think they really like each other and am interested in how body language shows / leaks this.”

The fact is that there is sexual chemistry there . Nobody is saying they are actually doing anything about it , but it's there and obvious to many of us . Simple as that .
sey77
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by tattieboy:
“The ' chemistry' has gone. As a couple they have gone from one extreme to another.”

Can you blame them? There's so much speculation over their 'relationship'... I feel really sorry for them. To me, Aliona just seems very supportive of her younger, very nervous partner.

I'm sick and tired of people reading more into relationships and saying they must be a couple, or there's definitely something going on between them...

Natalie was very touchy-feely towards Ainsley, I didn't see one post about their 'relationship'.
coppertop1
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“The fact is that there is sexual chemistry there . Nobody is saying they are actually doing anything about it , but it's there and obvious to many of us . Simple as that .”

Given that Aliona is recently married I don't think it ok to say it.

Also Aliona is not British comes from a country where it is much more common to be more physical towards people and was the same with Matt, who was happily married I think it is a shame that people feel the need to say it.

Finally they are dancing. They are in physical close proximity to one another and the dances require them to look as if there is some sort of attraction between them I would say they doing a damn good job acting.

One could argue that the tedium evidenced between Brendan and Kirsty may be more worrying, is this just bad acting or are they hiding how they really feel, or do they really not like one another that much?
primer
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“This evening I held 2 people's hands, I closed another's eyes for the last time, I stroked another's hair and sat in silence whilst someone gathered their tears together so they could go and cuddle someone that meant the world to them as they got up they put their head right into my neck to gather their strength to do that important thing.
Actually whilst with them I looked right at them, listened intently and made them feel they had been listened to and they were the most important person in that room.

Do you think someone ought to tell my husband ?

You know that sort of chemistry with another is worthy of comment and speculation. There is after all no smoke without fire.”

i was surprised to find you appear to work in some sort of hospital / hospice setting with the seriously and terminally ill.

but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?
StrictlyRed
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by primer:
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but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?”

I don't know whether you were intending to be sarcastic here, but this comes across as truly offensive and belittling.
victoriasponge
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by primer:
“i was surprised to find you appear to work in some sort of hospital / hospice setting with the seriously and terminally ill.

but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?”

I probably shouldn't, but ...

victoriasponge
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“I don't know whether you were intending to be sarcastic here, but this comes across as truly offensive and belittling.”

Oh come on, people! This is a light-hearted forum dedicated to a dance show. How appropriate is it to post a description of a truly harrowing event and then compare it directly with the behaviour of two young people on a light entertainment programme? (Clue - not appropriate at all).

Someone was quite subtly pointing this out, that's all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Heebyjeeby
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by primer:
“i was surprised to find you appear to work in some sort of hospital / hospice setting with the seriously and terminally ill.

but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?”

Horrible response.

I think the example coppertop gave illustrated the point very well. In times of great emotional intensity individuals can behave in ways that demonstrate real intimacy between them, that is not sexual.

As an aside the intimacy coppertop describes does not only occur in a hopital or hospice setting. Within the last month we had the privilege of a macmillan nurse in our home as we lost a loved one to cancer. She was nursed at home. There was a lot of intimate body language of the type coppertop describes. Also between my mother and my uncle sharing their grief over losing someone they both loved dearly. But that doesnt make it sexual. The point of the post as i understood it was not to make light of a terrible situation but to illustrate that nonsexual emotional and physical intimacy is displayed in people's everyday lives at time of emotion intensity and it is a mistake to automatically equate that with sexual intimacy. Thank you for the powerful post Coppertop.
Heebyjeeby
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“I don't know whether you were intending to be sarcastic here, but this comes across as truly offensive and belittling.”

Well said. Totally agree.
Mr Cellophane
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by primer:
“i was surprised to find you appear to work in some sort of hospital / hospice setting with the seriously and terminally ill.

but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?”


This response is offensive, but there is a valid point in there, in that it is entirely inappropriate (and probably intentionally misleading) to compare a bereavement situation with the behaviour of 2 people in a reality show.
Heebyjeeby
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Cellophane:
“This response is offensive, but there is a valid point in there, in that it is entirely inappropriate (and probably intentionally misleading) to compare a bereavement situation with the behaviour of 2 people in a reality show.”

Disagree. Just because one is 'light entertainment' does not mean it is no an emotionally intense experience for the participants. Especially subjectively, depending on their individual emotional levels and sensitivity. The poin is not being made that the experiences are the same. Clearly one is tragic and one is a stressful occupation for a participant. The key issue is the elvel of emotional intensity that an individual experiences, the intimate behaviour they display as a result of being in that situation, and that intimate behaviour foes not automatically equal sexual behaviour.
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